My main complaint so far......

[RTRMR]

......is this 4 RB rotation/refusal to establish a running game! We’re 28 quarters into this season, and have ZERO identity on offense!


I do not know whose decision this is(assuming JF, or hopefully soon to be unemployed Rahne), But it needs to end soon.

Your job as a coach is not to make sure of who’s feelings do or don’t get hurt but rather to win football games.

The constant switching of running backs lead to zero running game consistency/zero offensive cohesion!!

In the UM game the running backs carried ONLY 13 times for 87 yards!

That’s 6.7 yds/carry

I’ll repeat that, our RBs averaged 6.7 yards yet only were fed the ball to them 13 times.

Even in his post/game Press conference, JF couldn’t even answer the question as to why this happened.

The lack of consistency of a running game/rotation of running backs is causing the offense to get into lulls these lulls are causing consecutive Three and outs. These consecutive three and outs are causing the defense to be on the field much more, and having more plays ran against them(As witnessed by the 30+ play disparity between the two teams this past Saturday).

In turn, our D is getting gassed!

If these run issues Aren’t fixed soon, it may cost us a loss as early as this week, and getting boat raced in Columbus.

For the record, I’m NOT a fan of Rahne. We win the close games in spite of his play calling, not because of it!


Honestly, that’s my main complaint, the rest is just nitpicking(no pun intended).


Now a small sample of the positives:

-We’re 7-0

-The D is the best I have seen in sometime!

-The offense has been doing a really good job of protecting the football.

-We’ve closed out 2 close games in a row with our offense on the field, NOT our defense!

-The depth of this team on both sides of the ball is tremendous!


That’s all I got!

Lemme have it!

 

[PearlSUJam]

......is this 4 RB rotation/refusal to establish a running game! We’re 28 quarters into this season, and have ZERO identity on offense!


I do not know whose decision this is(assuming JF, or hopefully soon to be unemployed Rahne), But it needs to end soon.

Your job as a coach is not to make sure of who’s feelings do or don’t get hurt but rather to win football games.

The constant switching of running backs lead to zero running game consistency/zero offensive cohesion!!

In the UM game the running backs carried ONLY 13 times for 87 yards!

That’s 6.7 yds/carry

I’ll repeat that, our RBs averaged 6.7 yards yet only were fed the ball to them 13 times.

Even in his post/game Press conference, JF couldn’t even answer the question as to why this happened.

The lack of consistency of a running game/rotation of running backs is causing the offense to get into lulls these lulls are causing consecutive Three and outs. These consecutive three and outs are causing the defense to be on the field much more, and having more plays ran against them(As witnessed by the 30+ play disparity between the two teams this past Saturday).

In turn, our D is getting gassed!

If these run issues Aren’t fixed soon, it may cost us a loss as early as this week, and getting boat raced in Columbus.

For the record, I’m NOT a fan of Rahne. We win the close games in spite of his play calling, not because of it!


Honestly, that’s my main complaint, the rest is just nitpicking(no pun intended).


Now a small sample of the positives:

-We’re 7-0

-The D is the best I have seen in sometime!

-The offense has been doing a really good job of protecting the football.

-We’ve closed out 2 close games in a row with our offense on the field, NOT our defense!

-The depth of this team on both sides of the ball is tremendous!


That’s all I got!

Lemme have it!

 

[grad83psu]

......is this 4 RB rotation/refusal to establish a running game! We’re 28 quarters into this season, and have ZERO identity on offense!


I do not know whose decision this is(assuming JF, or hopefully soon to be unemployed Rahne), But it needs to end soon.

Your job as a coach is not to make sure of who’s feelings do or don’t get hurt but rather to win football games.

The constant switching of running backs lead to zero running game consistency/zero offensive cohesion!!

In the UM game the running backs carried ONLY 13 times for 87 yards!

That’s 6.7 yds/carry

I’ll repeat that, our RBs averaged 6.7 yards yet only were fed the ball to them 13 times.

Even in his post/game Press conference, JF couldn’t even answer the question as to why this happened.

The lack of consistency of a running game/rotation of running backs is causing the offense to get into lulls these lulls are causing consecutive Three and outs. These consecutive three and outs are causing the defense to be on the field much more, and having more plays ran against them(As witnessed by the 30+ play disparity between the two teams this past Saturday).

In turn, our D is getting gassed!

If these run issues Aren’t fixed soon, it may cost us a loss as early as this week, and getting boat raced in Columbus.

For the record, I’m NOT a fan of Rahne. We win the close games in spite of his play calling, not because of it!


Honestly, that’s my main complaint, the rest is just nitpicking(no pun intended).


Now a small sample of the positives:

-We’re 7-0

-The D is the best I have seen in sometime!

-The offense has been doing a really good job of protecting the football.

-We’ve closed out 2 close games in a row with our offense on the field, NOT our defense!

-The depth of this team on both sides of the ball is tremendous!


That’s all I got!

Lemme have it!

You aren't worth the effort.

 

[RTRMR]

You aren't worth the effort.

Not following?
Worth what effort?

 

[LaJolla Lion]

In this offense you take what is given and UM is all about taking away the run. If you listened to CJF after the game he made that clear and that they needed to take their shots. Guess what, he hit on a few and they won the game. The RB rotation is odd...I'll give you that, but some of us still enjoy PSU football, being 7-0 and in the discussion again......but hey.....your anger over things you cannot control is probably a healthy one.

 

[1000_OaksLion]

The RPO identity is to adjust to the defense. It's not run or pass centric by scheme. It's identity is RPO. Love it or hate it, they're 7 - 0.

 

[PSUNATTY2020]

He thinks that Franklin is God and can do no wrong. No constructive criticism allowed.

You aren't worth the effort.

 

[RTRMR]

In this offense you take what is given and UM is all about taking away the run. If you listened to CJF after the game he made that clear and that they needed to take their shots. Guess what, he hit on a few and they won the game. The RB rotation is odd...I'll give you that, but some of us still enjoy PSU football, being 7-0 and in the discussion again......but hey.....your anger over things you cannot control is probably a healthy one.

Not angry about it, I Just think this scheme as it currently exists just may lose us 1 of the next 2 games/get us woodshedded in Columbus!
I’m ecstatic with 7-0!

 

[RLCookie]

I agree, I'm not a fan of the 4 back rotation and especially the concept of its your turn so regardless of the situation you are going in. This doesn't make sense to me. That's like sending 3 or 4 receivers out for a pass and predetermining who you are going to throw to regardless of if they are open or not. It just doesn't make sense.

Yes we are winning so I guess that is all that matters for some. I like winning to, I'm just afraid like many others we are playing with fire and eventually we are going to get burnt.

Also like many others I'm confused by our play calling. We started the game with a run to the wide side of the field, it went for 12 yards. On the next play we threw the ball. We didn't come back to that running play again until the first play of the second half. Guess what? Again it went for 12 yards. We are now saving this play for the first play of the Michigan State game. Why would you abandon something that is working?

 

[sluggo72]

......is this 4 RB rotation/refusal to establish a running game! We’re 28 quarters into this season, and have ZERO identity on offense!


I do not know whose decision this is(assuming JF, or hopefully soon to be unemployed Rahne), But it needs to end soon.

Your job as a coach is not to make sure of who’s feelings do or don’t get hurt but rather to win football games.

The constant switching of running backs lead to zero running game consistency/zero offensive cohesion!!

In the UM game the running backs carried ONLY 13 times for 87 yards!

That’s 6.7 yds/carry

I’ll repeat that, our RBs averaged 6.7 yards yet only were fed the ball to them 13 times.

Even in his post/game Press conference, JF couldn’t even answer the question as to why this happened.

The lack of consistency of a running game/rotation of running backs is causing the offense to get into lulls these lulls are causing consecutive Three and outs. These consecutive three and outs are causing the defense to be on the field much more, and having more plays ran against them(As witnessed by the 30+ play disparity between the two teams this past Saturday).

In turn, our D is getting gassed!

If these run issues Aren’t fixed soon, it may cost us a loss as early as this week, and getting boat raced in Columbus.

For the record, I’m NOT a fan of Rahne. We win the close games in spite of his play calling, not because of it!


Honestly, that’s my main complaint, the rest is just nitpicking(no pun intended).


Now a small sample of the positives:

-We’re 7-0

-The D is the best I have seen in sometime!

-The offense has been doing a really good job of protecting the football.

-We’ve closed out 2 close games in a row with our offense on the field, NOT our defense!

-The depth of this team on both sides of the ball is tremendous!


That’s all I got!

Lemme have it!

who is running the 4 RB's? Most likely Seider makes that call, not Rahne, and probably imput from CJF. What I do know with RR, when we had to close out games by getting first downs, they have done it. May not look pretty, may not be sexy as some others who couldnt get that done, but we have gotten it done.
Maybe if that stout D didnt give up some many 10 and 12 play drives , we'd have more opportunities for the O to diversify more.

 

[cjrugger]

Not angry about it, I Just think this scheme as it currently exists just may lose us 1 of the next 2 games/get us woodshedded in Columbus!
I’m ecstatic with 7-0!

So do you think we should change the offensive system mid season or ride it out? And what would our record be this season with this other magical system you have in mind?

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Not angry about it, I Just think this scheme as it currently exists just may lose us 1 of the next 2 games/get us woodshedded in Columbus!
I’m ecstatic with 7-0!

Wisky just lost to Ill. UGa lost to a 2-3 USCe team. I also don't recall seeing ANY posts this year saying this team is a sure fire undefeated squad. The scheme you're upset about is 7-0 and #6 in the country. Maybe you would be happier with UGa's or Wisky's right now. Didn't think so. I got news for you, yes PSU can lose on the road in the BT.....anyone can. OSU did to Purdue and a bad Iowa team in recent years. UM does it all the time. I honestly think some people need to peek their head outside the PSU box once in a while.

 

[RTRMR]

So do you think we should change the offensive system mid season or ride it out? And what would our record be this season with this other magical system you have in mind?

I’m not saying change the scheme.
I’m saying:
A. Have a feature back
B. Attempt to establish a running game

 

[NoVa Lion]

Not following?
Worth what effort?

My main complaint so far is whiny fans like you that think they know better than the coaches that has us at 7-0 and have nothing better to do than complain instead of enjoying the ride,

 

[cjrugger]

I’m not saying change the scheme.
I’m saying:
A. Have a feature back
B. Attempt to establish a running game

What does that mean? Out of the 51 non kneel down plays we ran on Saturday, 26 were runs. How many more running plays are you looking for?

 

[RTRMR]

Wisky just lost to Ill. UGa lost to a 2-3 USCe team. I also don't recall seeing ANY posts this year saying this team is a sure fire undefeated squad. The scheme you're upset about is 7-0 and #6 in the country. Maybe you would be happier with UGa's or Wisky's right now. Didn't think so. I got news for you, yes PSU can lose on the road in the BT.....anyone can. OSU did to Purdue and a bad Iowa team in recent years. UM does it all the time. I honestly think some people need to peek their head outside the PSU box once in a while.

Bro, chill!!!!
Read my above post! I’m ecstatic we’re 7-0.
All I’m saying is that we’ve won 3 razor-thin game in spite of our offensive identity, NOT because of it!
I’ll take 12-0 in steam with no offense over 10-2 with a great offense.
I just think that this current philosophy is gonna get us burned in an upcoming away game.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Bro, chill!!!!
Read my above post! I’m ecstatic we’re 7-0.
All I’m saying is that we’ve won 3 razor-thin game in spite of our offensive identity, NOT because of it!
I’ll take 12-0 in steam with no offense over 10-2 with a great offense.
I just think that this current philosophy is gonna get us burned in an upcoming away game.

So there is a chance we can lose on the road at @MSU, @OSU, or @Minny. I think most of the rational fans kind of got that already. Razor thin games occur, but good teams win them.


Pssst, Whisky not only has an identity on offense, but they also have the best feature back in the nation. They lost on the road to a much weaker team. This is a young team and some of us actually are enjoying them....I know that is weird to some here.

 

[artsandletters]

I’m not saying change the scheme.
I’m saying:
A. Have a feature back
B. Attempt to establish a running game

You’re not listening. If the run game is there they’ll take it. Don Brown’ defense’s number one goal is to stop the run. Rahne got Hamler isolated against a safety and took advantage. Result, two touchdowns.

 

[ILLINOISLION]

I agree, I'm not a fan of the 4 back rotation and especially the concept of its your turn so regardless of the situation you are going in. This doesn't make sense to me. That's like sending 3 or 4 receivers out for a pass and predetermining who you are going to throw to regardless of if they are open or not. It just doesn't make sense.

Yes we are winning so I guess that is all that matters for some. I like winning to, I'm just afraid like many others we are playing with fire and eventually we are going to get burnt.

Also like many others I'm confused by our play calling. We started the game with a run to the wide side of the field, it went for 12 yards. On the next play we threw the ball. We didn't come back to that running play again until the first play of the second half. Guess what? Again it went for 12 yards. We are now saving this play for the first play of the Michigan State game. Why would you abandon something that is working?

When a play works, come back with it in the same series, before a D team goes to the sideline and gets schooled how to stop it.

Keep running the play until the D stops it.....then run the same looking play but with a different version. In this example, a run to the wide side but then a toss reverse back to the weak side. (Even if it doesn’t work you’ve made the D think about it and have to play more slowly / honestly to watch for it.)

 

[MJG-90]

Do we all forget how we'd complain about all the three and outs in the Moorhead offense? But we had more big plays and mostly used one running back. So I guess we are just forgetting. Can't be anything else, right?

 

[Player2BNamedL8r]

I think most of us agree that CJF needs to pick a feature back if for no other reason than to establish some continuity. I have no problem with spelling a feature back with any/all of the remaining 3, but one guy should probably be getting the bulk of the carries at this point in the season.

 

[WDLion]

......is this 4 RB rotation/refusal to establish a running game! We’re 28 quarters into this season, and have ZERO identity on offense!


I do not know whose decision this is(assuming JF, or hopefully soon to be unemployed Rahne), But it needs to end soon.

Your job as a coach is not to make sure of who’s feelings do or don’t get hurt but rather to win football games.

The constant switching of running backs lead to zero running game consistency/zero offensive cohesion!!

In the UM game the running backs carried ONLY 13 times for 87 yards!

That’s 6.7 yds/carry

I’ll repeat that, our RBs averaged 6.7 yards yet only were fed the ball to them 13 times.

Even in his post/game Press conference, JF couldn’t even answer the question as to why this happened.

The lack of consistency of a running game/rotation of running backs is causing the offense to get into lulls these lulls are causing consecutive Three and outs. These consecutive three and outs are causing the defense to be on the field much more, and having more plays ran against them(As witnessed by the 30+ play disparity between the two teams this past Saturday).

In turn, our D is getting gassed!

If these run issues Aren’t fixed soon, it may cost us a loss as early as this week, and getting boat raced in Columbus.

For the record, I’m NOT a fan of Rahne. We win the close games in spite of his play calling, not because of it!


Honestly, that’s my main complaint, the rest is just nitpicking(no pun intended).


Now a small sample of the positives:

-We’re 7-0

-The D is the best I have seen in sometime!

-The offense has been doing a really good job of protecting the football.

-We’ve closed out 2 close games in a row with our offense on the field, NOT our defense!

-The depth of this team on both sides of the ball is tremendous!


That’s all I got!

Lemme have it!

Isn't keeping players happy a key to winning?

 

[royboy]

I’m not saying change the scheme.
I’m saying:
A. Have a feature back
B. Attempt to establish a running game

I saw a mention on another thread here that suggested Noah Cain was in the doghouse (class attendance issues?)

He certainly seems to be the leader in on-field performance.

 

[LemonEars]

Maybe we are getting some insight into how CJF is able to get such outstanding recruiting classes. Maybe when he was recruiting Cain and Ford he told them, "Come to Penn State and you will get meaningful carries in every game right from the start." Now CJF is making good on his promise with the 4-headed RBs.

 

[MJG-90]

My main complaint so far is......

Idiot fans (probably not alumni, but just fans) tweeting negative stuff at players. I can understand having a negative discussion with your buddies over a beer. But I can't understand what sort of idiot you must be to tweet something ignorant at a player wearing our colors and doing his best to represent us in a positive way. That's gotta stop. I posted a couple of examples in one of the Bell threads that showed what idiot Michigan fans are saying to him.

My second biggest complaint so far is.....

All of the complaining people do here. Look around the country. What teams (including the elite) have not had a scare (OSU and Alabama maybe?)?

Clemson needed a stop on a two point conversion to hold off mighty UNC.

UGA lost to USCe.

LSU survived Texas (who has two losses and barely got by mighty Kansas). Oh, and they gave up 38 to that vaunted Vanderbilt offense (sure they put up 66, but this is a complaining thread, right?).

Notre Dame barely beat USC led by their 4th string QB.

Florida's only loss is to LSU, but let's not forget about them barely beating that unranked Miami team and that awesome WR playing QB led Kentucky squad.

Wisconsin lost to Illinois.

Oregon lost to Auburn in the first game of a true freshman QB's career.

We can keep going. My point is that there are about two teams that don't have many (any) holes right now. Sure as heck wish we could just enjoy being 7-0 and not try to out think our staff, who I assure you, know waaaaaaaay more about coaching football than the combined coaching knowledge of this entire board.

That's all I got -- just two minor complaints.

 

[danvillenit]

Let me at least clarify one thing for those unhappy with the RB rotation. It is not Rahne’s decision. I know the fire Rahne crowd like to blame him for every offense issue but he doesn’t control personnel decisions. It is Seider and Franklin making that call.

 

[ILLINOISLION]

Whatever the Offensive issues.....not many teams win when they go five consecutive 3-and-outs.

 

[DandyDonII]

Rahne is not God's Gift to play calling but he isn't Jay Paterno either....My main complaint is that he becomes very predictable by abandoning the run.
We are up 21-0 on Saturday, we get the ball, and 3 straight passes, time to punt. If it was a one time thing, no big deal, but seems to be a consistent pattern.
I understand the philosophy of the RPO is to take what the defense gives you......That being said, we can run on defenses that are predisposed to stop the run. We have successfully run out the clock on two straight games now, and everyone in the house knew it was going to be a running play. If you can run in that situation, you can run in any situation.

I am not yearning for the old days of run run run. However, you need to keep the D honest...

 

[marshall23]

My main complaint so far has to do with fanboys who can't enjoy 8-0.
There are about 65 P5 schools and perhaps a half dozen (or less) remain undefeated. Noah Cain......blah.blah,blah......4 back rotation ....blah, blah, blah....Ricky Rahne....blah, blah, blah.....no fullback...blah....under center blah
Perfection will never set foot on a football field.....Jesus Christ would probably divide the carries and some shit heads would complain to his father.
I'm pretty sure the coaches are aware of weaknesses and issues that they would love to fix, but it just isn't that easy.
Other teams have quality talent and coaches as well. Anything anyone here (myself included) thinks of, was considered months ago by this coaching staff.
Do you think Paul Chryst told his team to relax and enjoy the blowout vs. Illinois? God Lord.
4 teams will make the playoffs.....
This site will call for at least one coach to be fired
The sun will come up tomorrow...
Someone will state " we have to have a coach who can consistently defeat Ohio state....we deserve it....we're Penn State....we want to be elite.....blah, blah blah.
I'll be enjoying the rest of the season 15-0, 9-4 (although not nearly as much).
and....I'm gonna enjoy another bowl trip.

 

[PSUFBFAN]

Maybe we are getting some insight into how CJF is able to get such outstanding recruiting classes. Maybe when he was recruiting Cain and Ford he told them, "Come to Penn State and you will get meaningful carries in every game right from the start." Now CJF is making good on his promise with the 4-headed RBs.

"Come to Penn State and you will get meaningful carries in every game right from the start."

Uh, no. I am quite sure CJF doesn't promise any recruit playing time in every game "right from the start". He probably promises them an opportunity to compete for playing time through practice and adherence to team policies regarding behavior, class attendance, etc.

 

[PearlSUJam]

I’m not saying change the scheme.
I’m saying:
A. Have a feature back
B. Attempt to establish a running game

Hamler is our feature back. He's the go to when a first down is needed to ice the game between the tackles.

 

[PearlSUJam]

My main complaint so far has to do with fanboys who can't enjoy 8-0.
There are about 65 P5 schools and perhaps a half dozen (or less) remain undefeated. Noah Cain......blah.blah,blah......4 back rotation ....blah, blah, blah....Ricky Rahne....blah, blah, blah.....no fullback...blah....under center blah
Perfection will never set foot on a football field.....Jesus Christ would probably divide the carries and some shit heads would complain to his father.
I'm pretty sure the coaches are aware of weaknesses and issues that they would love to fix, but it just isn't that easy.
Other teams have quality talent and coaches as well. Anything anyone here (myself included) thinks of, was considered months ago by this coaching staff.
Do you think Paul Chryst told his team to relax and enjoy the blowout vs. Illinois? God Lord.
4 teams will make the playoffs.....
This site will call for at least one coach to be fired
The sun will come up tomorrow...
Someone will state " we have to have a coach who can consistently defeat Ohio state....we deserve it....we're Penn State....we want to be elite.....blah, blah blah.
I'll be enjoying the rest of the season 15-0, 9-4 (although not nearly as much).
and....I'm gonna enjoy another bowl trip.

Exactly. How many undefeated teams are there in the NFL every year?

 

[BBrown]

......is this 4 RB rotation/refusal to establish a running game! We’re 28 quarters into this season, and have ZERO identity on offense!


I do not know whose decision this is(assuming JF, or hopefully soon to be unemployed Rahne), But it needs to end soon.

Your job as a coach is not to make sure of who’s feelings do or don’t get hurt but rather to win football games.

The constant switching of running backs lead to zero running game consistency/zero offensive cohesion!!

In the UM game the running backs carried ONLY 13 times for 87 yards!

That’s 6.7 yds/carry

I’ll repeat that, our RBs averaged 6.7 yards yet only were fed the ball to them 13 times.

Even in his post/game Press conference, JF couldn’t even answer the question as to why this happened.

The lack of consistency of a running game/rotation of running backs is causing the offense to get into lulls these lulls are causing consecutive Three and outs. These consecutive three and outs are causing the defense to be on the field much more, and having more plays ran against them(As witnessed by the 30+ play disparity between the two teams this past Saturday).

In turn, our D is getting gassed!

If these run issues Aren’t fixed soon, it may cost us a loss as early as this week, and getting boat raced in Columbus.

For the record, I’m NOT a fan of Rahne. We win the close games in spite of his play calling, not because of it!


Honestly, that’s my main complaint, the rest is just nitpicking(no pun intended).


Now a small sample of the positives:

-We’re 7-0

-The D is the best I have seen in sometime!

-The offense has been doing a really good job of protecting the football.

-We’ve closed out 2 close games in a row with our offense on the field, NOT our defense!

-The depth of this team on both sides of the ball is tremendous!


That’s all I got!

Lemme have it!

My main and pretty much only complaint so far is that the defense is giving up too many 3rd and longs and not getting to the QB enough.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Exactly. How many undefeated teams are there in the NFL every year?

1 in 50 years, must be a ton of sh!tty coaches.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

My main and pretty much only complaint so far is that the defense is giving up too many 3rd and longs and not getting to the QB enough.

UM took the DL out of the game and others are starting to. You can't get to the QB in under 1.5 seconds, don't care who you are. UM was giving Patterson easy throws and the DB's and LB's need to diagnose it and tackle better.

 

[BBrown]

I saw a mention on another thread here that suggested Noah Cain was in the doghouse (class attendance issues?)

He certainly seems to be the leader in on-field performance.

the doghouse thing is Bullshit.

 

[BBrown]

UM took the DL out of the game and others are starting to. You can't get to the QB in under 1.5 seconds, don't care who you are. UM was giving Patterson easy throws and the DB's and LB's need to diagnose it and tackle better.

True but I'm not just basing it off of the UM game.
Also in 2 of Franklin's PC's and after this game he pretty much said the same thing.

 

[RLCookie]

I'm thrilled we are 7-0. I'm enjoying the ride and nobody is having more fun than I am. I love the heart of this team. They are playing loose and they are fun to watch.

With that being said, I don't like the fact that we establish comfortable leads and then let teams back into games, it's bitten us in the ass before and it will bite us in the ass again. We did it this week, we did it last week, we did it against Pitt. We did it last year, the year before that etc, etc. Sometimes we win those games but other times we lose them, it is frustrating and it keeps occurring over and over again. Yes you can site examples of other teams doing this occasionally but name another team that consistently does this like we do. It's a problem and it needs to be addressed.

You might want to blame it on the officials, or it's the other team making adjustments. That's just excuses, when we get a team down, put them away!

 

[KnightSlayer]

Whatever the Offensive issues.....not many teams win when they go five consecutive 3-and-outs.

They do when their previous drives put up 28 points. All week I saw predictions of a low scoring game. More than a few said bet the under, it's a lock.

 

[MJG-90]

we did it against Pitt.

When did we have a comfortable lead against Pitt? When it was 7-0 or 17-10? Because those were our only two leads in the game.