NCAA selection committe a bunch of morons or what?

[PSUWrestlingFanSince2011]

Absolute horrid seedings.

PSU a 10 seed? Did you watch the Big Ten tourney? Almost win the damn thing and we get a 10 seed.

A&M a 7 seed after a 15-3 SEC record, yet Arkansas gets an 8 seed with a 8-10 SEC record.

Duke a 5 seed behind 4 Indiana?

Did they even watch conference tourneys?

 

[AWS1022]

Absolute horrid seedings.

PSU a 10 seed? Did you watch the Big Ten tourney? Almost win the damn thing and we get a 10 seed.

A&M a 7 seed after a 15-3 SEC record, yet Arkansas gets an 8 seed with a 8-10 SEC record.

Duke a 5 seed behind 4 Indiana?

Did they even watch conference tourneys?

You forgot Illinois being seeded higher than PSU. How about Kentucky being a 6 seed?

 

[Erial_Lion]

You forgot Illinois being seeded higher than PSU. How about Kentucky being a 6 seed?

Looking across the 112 non-NCAA related people also doing this on the bracketmatrix…Illinois expected to be ahead of us, and Kentucky expected to be a 6. Neither of those were outliers.

 

[Erial_Lion]

Absolute horrid seedings.

PSU a 10 seed? Did you watch the Big Ten tourney? Almost win the damn thing and we get a 10 seed.

A&M a 7 seed after a 15-3 SEC record, yet Arkansas gets an 8 seed with a 8-10 SEC record.

Duke a 5 seed behind 4 Indiana?

Did they even watch conference tourneys?

Goes back to some things that are stated year after year…conference record isn’t a factor in selection or seeding, and neither is recent form (unless an injury is involved in some way). The only thing that wasn’t expected there was A&M at a 7.

 

[LandoComando]

You forgot Illinois being seeded higher than PSU. How about Kentucky being a 6 seed?

Illinois being ahead of us and Kentucky being a 6 were expected.

Nothing was too crazy though I do think A&M was a bit low.

 

[Online Persona]

They ignored the conference tournaments for the large part. LAZY if you ask me. I guess they just wanted to be done early. Maybe if they don't want to put in the effort, we should get someone else to do the work?

 

[Erial_Lion]

They ignored the conference tournaments for the large part. LAZY if you ask me. I guess they just wanted to be done early. Maybe if they don't want to put in the effort, we should get someone else to do the work?

It's not about a lack of effort...it's about how they manage their time over those few days. In the interview I saw on Saturday afternoon, they already had the seed list mostly finalized and were getting ready to start building the bracket. The selection process itself is a very time consuming process based on the procedures for handling it all.

 

[psu00]

They ignored the conference tournaments for the large part. LAZY if you ask me. I guess they just wanted to be done early. Maybe if they don't want to put in the effort, we should get someone else to do the work?

The funny part is they stress how they look at the whole season and the ‘total body of work’, not just recent games. Then, without blinking an eye, they say they take into account recent games to evaluate how injuries affect a team.

It’s really a catch 22. Do you rank teams based on an overall season that began back in November or do you rank based on who are the best teams now at the end of the season?

 

[fairfaxlion2]

oh gee, what a surprise.

the chairman of the NCAA tournament selection committee played for IU. the team who just happens to be the most sketchily-overseeded one in the whole bracket.

what a JOKE

Meet former IU guard Chris Reynolds, now NCAA tournament selection committee chair

The former point guard for an Indiana Hoosiers team that reached the Final Four under coach Bob Knight is in charge of the March Madness selections.

www.indystar.com

 

[PSUhv2019]

It’s obvious that the tourney run didn’t really change a whole lot for them. In all honesty, I’m not sure we were even in until we beat Northwestern. Some questionable seedings this year for sure.

 

[PSUWrestlingFanSince2011]

I would have liked to see our seed if we had beaten Purdue. Probably still a 10.

 

[LandoComando]

It’s obvious that the tourney run didn’t really change a whole lot for them. In all honesty, I’m not sure we were even in until we beat Northwestern. Some questionable seedings this year for sure.

This--we were out before Illinois--bubble after Illinois--in after Northwestern.

 

[PSUWrestlingFanSince2011]

I honestly think the committe had their selections in by Friday. Its like the conference tourney results had no impact in seedings.

 

[LandoComando]

I would have liked to see our seed if we had beaten Purdue. Probably still a 10.

They probably would have switched us and Illinois at that point

 

[Online Persona]

It's not about a lack of effort...it's about how they manage their time over those few days. In the interview I saw on Saturday afternoon, they already had the seed list mostly finalized and were getting ready to start building the bracket. The selection process itself is a very time consuming process based on the procedures for handling it all.

Lay that out then. WTH are they doing to make it so time consuming? This isn't rocket science. I could have put together a more accurate/fair seeding and bracket based on all of the metrics while taking into account all of the conference tournaments within a few hours after our game.

And if they need more time, then F@#$ing take it. Require the conference tournaments to be complete a day earlier or start the tournament a day later and get rid of these dumb play in games.

I don't buy that they are building some kind of new technology to solve unified field theory. It's a bracket for a basketball tournament. The only possible explanation for their incompetence here is that those completing the bracket may be former basketball players who weren't on the team to play school.

 

[Erial_Lion]

Lay that out then. WTH are they doing to make it so time consuming? This isn't rocket science. I could have put together a more accurate/fair seeding and bracket based on all of the metrics while taking into account all of the conference tournaments within a few hours after our game.

And if they need more time, then F@#$ing take it. Require the conference tournaments to be complete a day earlier or start the tournament a day later and get rid of these dumb play in games.

I don't buy that they are building some kind of new technology to solve unified field theory. It's a bracket for a basketball tournament. The only possible explanation for their incompetence here is that those completing the bracket may be former basketball players who weren't on the team to play school.

It's a series of nominating, discussing, voting, eliminating, discussing, voting, etc. Need a threshold of votes to get a team on the board and move on to the next slot. Then, once you have the teams seeded, it's voting to place them into regions, following all of the principles that need to be followed (balancing regions, avoiding conference foes, avoid rematches from prior tournaments, keeping teams close to home if they've been sent far in the past few years, etc). It's not just doing it yourself and moving stuff around. I've done a mock committee before, and it's shocking how time consuming it all takes. And if you pull a team out to reseed them, you need to go back through and follow the full process.

At the end of the day, it's all about $. The Big Ten is happy to take the $ to play today even if it's not going to impact the bracket. I'm sure the committee would love for games to finish a few days earlier, but you really think all of these conferences are giving up the TV money from the exposure they get all weekend long?

 

[AWS1022]

Looking across the 112 non-NCAA related people also doing this on the bracketmatrix…Illinois expected to be ahead of us, and Kentucky expected to be a 6. Neither of those were outliers.

Just because it was expected doesn’t make it right. Apparently every game doesn’t count. Your arguments aren’t consistent.

 

[fairfaxlion2]

I don't buy that they are building some kind of new technology to solve unified field theory. It's a bracket for a basketball tournament. The only possible explanation for their incompetence here is that those completing the bracket may be former basketball players who weren't on the team to play school.

Or in the instance of our bracket, they played games with seeds to try and create a 2nd round game b/w Texas and Texas A&M. Something they absolutely should not be doing.

 

[Online Persona]

It's a series of nominating, discussing, voting, eliminating, discussing, voting, etc. Need a threshold of votes to get a team on the board and move on to the next slot. Then, once you have the teams seeded, it's voting to place them into regions, following all of the principles that need to be followed (balancing regions, avoiding conference foes, avoid rematches from prior tournaments, keeping teams close to home if they've been sent far in the past few years, etc). It's not just doing it yourself and moving stuff around. I've done a mock committee before, and it's shocking how time consuming it all takes. And if you pull a team out to reseed them, you need to go back through and follow the full process.

At the end of the day, it's all about $. The Big Ten is happy to take the $ to play today even if it's not going to impact the bracket. I'm sure the committee would love for games to finish a few days earlier, but you really think all of these conferences are giving up the TV money from the exposure they get all weekend long?

Great, so an unscientific, bureaucratic, popularity contest. Clowns. That's what that is.

1) You determine the relevant metrics before the season starts.
2) You allow teams to be ranked 1 to 68 based on each of the metrics and their preassigned weight ensuring that autobids are included in the top 68. This can be done by a computer in seconds.
3) Now allow the clown committee to adjust any rankings if a 2/3rds vote agrees. This should be just a few positions with which they are permitted to put their thumb on the scale and only a small movement in the rankings is considered.
4) Top 4 are 1 seeds, next 4 are 2s, etc.
5) Now determine which 1 through 16 seeds go to which region based on their proximity to the games. This can be solved by a computer in seconds as well with a minimizing function.

Done in an hour or less.

 

[fairfaxlion2]

Great, so an unscientific, bureaucratic, popularity contest. Clowns. That's what that is.

1) You determine the relevant metrics before the season starts.
2) You allow teams to be ranked 1 to 68 based on each of the metrics and their preassigned weight ensuring that autobids are included in the top 68. This can be done by a computer in seconds.
3) Now allow the clown committee to adjust any rankings if a 2/3rds vote agrees. This should be just a few positions with which they are permitted to put their thumb on the scale and only a small movement in the rankings is considered.
4) Top 4 are 1 seeds, next 4 are 2s, etc.
5) Now determine which 1 through 16 seeds go to which region based on their proximity to the games. This can be solved by a computer in seconds as well with a minimizing function.

Done in an hour or less.

it seems like a good application for an AI/machine learning model. could make the selections in less than one second

if there was ever a place where i'd be glad that ai replaced people it is this

 

[Online Persona]

it seems like a good application for an AI/machine learning model. could make the selections in less than one second

if there was ever a place where i'd be glad that ai replaced people it is this

remove the bias and the clown committee's excuses for not considering all of the games

 

[bdgan]

In the interview I saw on Saturday afternoon, they already had the seed list mostly finalized and were getting ready to start building the bracket.

That's the problem. The NW win might not have been considered and the Indiana/Purdue games weren't considered.

 

[Erial_Lion]

Just because it was expected doesn’t make it right. Apparently every game doesn’t count. Your arguments aren’t consistent.

It's certainly a good indicator to find outliers...if someone says "the committee is biased, they screwed team X", it's pretty apparent to see if what happened was expected or unexpected. Someone here might think that Indiana as a 4 is crazy, but when ~100 people that really understand this stuff and do it independently come to the same result, then it likely isn't that crazy.

And every game is supposed to count equally, but history has showed us that those Saturday/Sunday games on Championship week are too late to carry much weight.

 

[PSUWrestlingFanSince2011]

 

[fairfaxlion2]

remove the bias and the clown committee's excuses for not considering all of the games

we look at the entire body of work. unless we don't like where that leads, then we ignore the parts that we don't like

 

[fairfaxlion2]

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well that sounds totally objective

 

[PSUWrestlingFanSince2011]

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So they screw A&M and screw us at the same time. Win/win for the NCAA.

 

[fairfaxlion2]

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So they screw A&M and screw us at the same time. Win/win for the NCAA.

i dont really think we got screwed

think a&m did and IU is super questionable. someone put their thumb on the scale. petty politics pretending to be process

 

[Erial_Lion]

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i dont really think we got screwed

think a&m did and IU is super questionable. someone put their thumb on the scale. petty politics pretending to be process

I do think that A&M is a seed too low...but since I really like the matchup, I have no complaints about it (especially since my biggest fear was getting an 8/9 game, and I'm glad we avoided it). But again, IU isn't questionable to most that do this seriously.

 

[fairfaxlion2]

I do think that A&M is a seed too low...but since I really like the matchup, I have no complaints about it (especially since my biggest fear was getting an 8/9 game, and I'm glad we avoided it). But again, IU isn't questionable to most that do this seriously.

agree. i was really afraid they'd give us an 8/9 against someone we already played. that would have been such a letdown

dont agree on IU. even if they were 15 (which is overrated) they should have dropped after losing to us

 

[johnmpsu]

I don't get it. If every game is supposed to be equal during the season, how come the late games don't seem to count at all.

 

[Erial_Lion]

I don't get it. If every game us supposed to be equal during the season, how come the late games don't seem to count at all.

The NCAA will never admit it, but evidence has led in that direction for years. And it’s almost certainly because they’re already well into the process of putting the bracket together.

They get together on Wednesday, and are on the tail end of the process by Saturday/Sunday.

 

[fairfaxlion2]

I don't get it. If every game is supposed to be equal during the season, how come the late games don't seem to count at all.

also, it's even worse than that. the final weekend games should not only be considered but they should be given more weight than any other games. because the teams you are watching are going to play again in 4 days. its nice if they knocked somebody off on November 12th of last year, but, seriously

 

[psugisher]

I think the most important thing is getting the right teams in the tournament and they at least come close every year. We’re in and would have to play somebody good no matter what. Let’s go play and see what happens. We were 10-10 in conference and had a nice conference tournament run. Can’t really complain about where we’re at.

 

[fairfaxlion2]

I think the most important thing is getting the right teams in the tournament and they at least come close every year. We’re in and would have to play somebody good no matter what. Let’s go play and see what happens. We were 10-10 in conference and had a nice conference tournament run. Can’t really complain about where we’re at.

Rutgers should be in

Also we've had higher seeds than this with a sub-.500 conf record. If you count the tournament games we were 13-11 this year...

and 9-1 against Illinois, Indiana, Maryland, Iowa and Northwestern (all have higher seeds)

At least we get to play in the first-ever 4/8 game of Round 1.

 

[ryoder1]

oh gee, what a surprise.

the chairman of the NCAA tournament selection committee played for IU. the team who just happens to be the most sketchily-overseeded one in the whole bracket.

what a JOKE

Meet former IU guard Chris Reynolds, now NCAA tournament selection committee chair

The former point guard for an Indiana Hoosiers team that reached the Final Four under coach Bob Knight is in charge of the March Madness selections.

www.indystar.com

Most likely Miami takes out Indiana.

 

[AWS1022]

It's certainly a good indicator to find outliers...if someone says "the committee is biased, they screwed team X", it's pretty apparent to see if what happened was expected or unexpected. Someone here might think that Indiana as a 4 is crazy, but when ~100 people that really understand this stuff and do it independently come to the same result, then it likely isn't that crazy.

And every game is supposed to count equally, but history has showed us that those Saturday/Sunday games on Championship week are too late to carry much weight.

Another flaw in the system. To me later games should mean more than games early in the season. It’s a better reflection of the team that’s getting into the tournament, not the one that started the season. In the end, the only real difference between college basketball and football in terms of at large teams is basketball takes more teams. It’s still about perception and what a handful of people think.

 

[LandoComando]

Rutgers should be in

Also we've had higher seeds than this with a sub-.500 conf record. If you count the tournament games we were 13-11 this year...

and 9-1 against Illinois, Indiana, Maryland, Iowa and Northwestern (all have higher seeds)

At least we get to play in the first-ever 4/8 game of Round 1.

Indiana beat Purde twice. Should they be higher than Purdue? H2H can't mean anything when ranking 64 teams.

I think A&M is seeded slightly low but max was a 9 not an 8. And I think it's a good matchup for is. Marchups matter more than anything else

 

[Obliviax]

over 47% of the USA is in the eastern time zone, which includes (probably) 95% of the PSU fan base. Great scheduling.

 

[knickslions]

Only here people bitch about a seed of a tourney penn state hasn’t made in over a decade lol. Texas AM seems like a good matchup. I’ll be honest I rather play them then face Kent State who Indiana was rewarded playing as a 4th seed.