NCAA selection committe a bunch of morons or what?

[royboy]

Despite a 9-game winning streak and winning the ACC Tournament, Duke got a 5th seed.

But in discussion on ESPN after the selections, Dick Vitale, Laphonso Ellis, Seth Greenberg, Reece Davis, and Jay Bilas all picked Duke to win their region.

The committee failed to evaluate some of the most recent performances of teams, that being in conference tournaments. Basic laziness?

 

[psu00]

Despite a 9-game winning streak and winning the ACC Tournament, Duke got a 5th seed.

But in discussion on ESPN after the selections, Dick Vitale, Laphonso Ellis, Seth Greenberg, Reece Davis, and Jay Bilas all picked Duke to win their region.

The committee failed to evaluate some of the most recent performances of teams, that being in conference tournaments. Basic laziness?

I think a lot was laziness. It looks like they ran the data and ranked teams on Wednesday/Thursday without taking into account the conference tournaments that were being played. They then appear to have slotted the teams without changing much other than automatic qualifier bids.

It’s a dilemma with these committees as to whether they rank only based on ‘resume’, (going back to November when teams are often very different than in March), or take into account the more recent play in how a team has evolved over the season.

If they say they are going strictly by full season resume, then fine stick to that. I think that’s flawed but if they are consistent then ok.

However, I have a problem when they refuse to account for level of play heading into the tournament because it’s ‘full season resume’ but then carve out a special exception to judge certain teams based on current injury status of their players.

If you’re going to do that, then you need to take into account other current status issues such as teams like Duke which are on fire now but may have struggled early in the season before putting it all together.

 

[fairfaxlion2]

Indiana beat Purde twice. Should they be higher than Purdue? H2H can't mean anything when ranking 64 teams.

I think A&M is seeded slightly low but max was a 9 not an 8. And I think it's a good matchup for is. Marchups matter more than anything else

it should mean more than nothing. obviosuly Indiana's h2h with Purdue did have a big impact on their seed. But they selectively apply it. the way they are trying to script storylines for 2nd round games (Texas vs A&M, Bill Self vs ILL) feels more like pro wrestling than college basketball

 

[psu00]

it should mean more than nothing. obviosuly Indiana's h2h with Purdue did have a big impact on their seed. But they selectively apply it. the way they are trying to script storylines for 2nd round games (Texas vs A&M, Bill Self vs ILL) feels more like pro wrestling than college basketball

True. The committee has played games with seeding over the years to get matchups like Texas- Texas A&M in the next round.

I wonder if Big Ten membership had some influence in being sent to Iowa rather than Albany.

 

[Cowbell Man]

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i dont really think we got screwed

think a&m did and IU is super questionable. someone put their thumb on the scale. petty politics pretending to be process

That’s rather confusing, that you don’t think we got screwed. If you screw a team that should be seeded higher by giving them a lower seed, then the team they are now playing is subjected playing a theoretically better team than they would have been if seeded properly.

So yes, we did get screwed.

What we do with it, how we match up….is a different question.

 

[fairfaxlion2]

That’s rather confusing, that you don’t think we got screwed. If you screw a team that should be seeded higher by giving them a lower seed, then the team they are now playing is subjected playing a theoretically better team than they would have been if seeded properly.

So yes, we did get screwed.

What we do with it, how we match up….is a different question.

i mean i dont think the alternative would have been easier. i don't think we'd have significantly better odds of beating Missouri or WVU or Memphis

 

[BudatPSU]

Absolute horrid seedings.

PSU a 10 seed? Did you watch the Big Ten tourney? Almost win the damn thing and we get a 10 seed.

A&M a 7 seed after a 15-3 SEC record, yet Arkansas gets an 8 seed with a 8-10 SEC record.

Duke a 5 seed behind 4 Indiana?

Did they even watch conference tourneys?

If you start with the premise that everything about the ncaa is moronic, then you do not get upset with whatever the next thing is that they do. You just assume they will continue on their normal path.

 

[Vermilion]

Absolute horrid seedings.

PSU a 10 seed? Did you watch the Big Ten tourney? Almost win the damn thing and we get a 10 seed.

A&M a 7 seed after a 15-3 SEC record, yet Arkansas gets an 8 seed with a 8-10 SEC record.

Duke a 5 seed behind 4 Indiana?

Did they even watch conference tourneys?

TAM with a 19 NET, 7-6 Quad 1. 2 Quad 4 losses, ouch.
Arkansas with a 21 NET. 4-10 Quad 1. No Quad 4 losses tho. 🤣
PSU 7-7 Quad 1.
Illinois 2-11 Quad 1.

 

[LeatherHelmets]

The committee didn't have the work ethics or integrity of a 16 year old busboy. Lazy as crap and played games with the seeds to get some match-ups. Take away PSU getting the shaft and I still think this is the worst seeding job I've seen.

 

[Erial_Lion]

I can only shake my head when people play the "they obviously created these matchups"...there are 68 teams and a ridiculous number of permutations that come up. Every year, there will obviously be some intriguing potential matchups, especially when projecting forward into future rounds. What about this bracket shows a lack of integrity?

Oh wait...we're playing at 9:55pm...if that's not evidence of a conspiracy, I don't know what is.

 

[Erial_Lion]

Here are the final results from the matrix...

The Bracket Project's Bracket Matrix - 2025

Averaging together the 229 people that submitted brackets, they ended up getting 67 of the 68 teams correctly (Rutgers was picked in place of Nevada), 56 of 68 seeds exactly correctly, and 66 of 68 seeds within one seed line (two misses were missing Nevada completely, and missing on TA&M).

Seems like the bracket was pretty close to expected if you ask me...by far the closest the actual bracket has even been to the bracketmatrix.

 

[Erial_Lion]

i mean i dont think the alternative would have been easier. i don't think we'd have significantly better odds of beating Missouri or WVU or Memphis

We would have been bigger underdogs against WVU/Memphis...we actually would have been favored over Missouri.

 

[bison13]

As someone who’s coached this game for a very long time, I wish they would reconsider a prior metric and use a teams last 10 games. A team like Penn State with a ton of transfers and freshman that might lose some games in November or December is obviously much better in the last month and that should be taken into account.