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NCAA Ticket Allotments

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NCAA ticket allotments are starting to trickle in, and the numbers aren’t very promising. 50% cut in allotments for Minny. 65% cut for Stanford!!!
It’s not surprising that coaches like Coach Eggum and Ray Blake are voicing their displeasure via twitter.


I have a few programs that I reached to, and felt pretty good about finding tickets. Not so much now.
 
give these minny fans who missed out this year 4 for 1 next year. Only way they fill that monstrosity of a wrestling venue.
 
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Coach Eggum's complaint loses some credibility when he completely makes up things. PPG Paints Arena has a seating capacity of 18,387 for hockey games. I'm not sure what it will be for wrestling but it will be a lot closer to 18,300 than it will be 16,000.

The NCAA is finally holding the NCAA Championships in the center of wrestling's popularity. How can Coach Eggum be surprised that there has been an overwhelming demand for tickets and that some of the allocations have to be reset? No one is happy about it because EVERYONE'S demand exceeds their allocation. The program that receives the most tickets to this year's Championship will not have enough tickets to meet the demand from their fans. There have to be at least 30 Division I programs (including the past 8 NCAA Championship-winning programs) and five of the top high school wrestling states in the country (PA, OH, NJ, NY, MI) located within an 8-hour drive of Pittsburgh - of course demand will be greater than it is in St. Louis or anywhere else!

It's about time that the NCAA starts to change their ticket allotments. Although Minnesota probably sells all of their tickets every year, long gone are the days when Minny was one of the top teams- in both performance and fan following- in the country. Penn State, Ohio State, Cornell are three programs that definitely deserve the "formula" to be updated from what is was 20 years ago. NC State, Va Tech, Rutgers are three more programs that have ratcheted up both performance and attendance in the past 10 years and they should be rewarded. Look at what Cary Kolat is doing at Campbell or what Bono- and now Hahn- have done at SDSU. Even the resurgence that Scott Moore is leading at Lock Haven. Programs that are growing the sport as evidenced by increased attendance and promotion should be rewarded with an increase in their allotment. That can only be done by recalibrating the allocation. Unfortunately, some of those teams that have benefitted over the past two decades from the lack of updating to the formula will end up losing some of their NCAA tickets. Just as these programs have dropped off in dual meet attendance and NCAA performance, their NCAA ticket allotment should drop, too.

This is one way for the NWCA and NCAA to "make duals matter" if the programs that are the ones promoting duals and promoting the sport and getting fans in seats are actually rewarded with their NCAA ticket allocation reflecting their accomplishments.

I empathize with the Minnesota and Stanford fans. But, a reallocation of the distribution of NCAA tickets is long overdue.
 
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dpd926 said:
Coach Eggum's complaint loses some credibility when he completely makes up things. PPG Paints Arena has a seating capacity of 18,387 for hockey games. I'm not sure what it will be for wrestling but it will be a lot closer to 18,300 than it will be 16,000.
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I think he was making a generalized guess... it would be a good guess to say most arenas of this type are in the 14,000-16,000 seat range.
Also... so are you saying that you have knowledge that the “formula” for ticket allocation has changed so that more programs have better access? I’d like to hear more specifics, if so.
 
dpd926 said:
Unfortunately, some of those teams that have benefitted over the past two decades from the lack of updating to the formula will end up losing some of their NCAA tickets. Just as these programs have dropped off in dual meet attendance and NCAA performance, their NCAA ticket allotment should drop, too.

This is one way for the NWCA and NCAA to "make duals matter" if the programs that are the ones promoting duals and promoting the sport and getting fans in seats are actually rewarded with their NCAA ticket allocation reflecting their accomplishments.
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How do you explain the reduction in PSU’s ticket allocation? No team has added more fans at duals than PSU... not even close... yet our allocation has been cut.
 
Gray52 said:
I think he was making a generalized guess... it would be a good guess to say most arenas of this type are in the 14,000-16,000 seat range.
Also... so are you saying that you have knowledge that the “formula” for ticket allocation has changed so that more programs have better access? I’d like to hear more specifics, if so.
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I don't have knowledge that the formula has changed. In fact, I fear that it hasn't. But if Minnesota's allotment has dropped by 50 percent, then there must be a reason for it - and I know the reason isn't due to PPG Paints Arena being smaller than the typical venue.

Most on-campus arena tend to be in the 14-16,000 seat range. But the days of the NCAA Wrestling Championships being held in those are over. The demand for tickets is just too great. Going forward, it'll continue to be held at professional sports arenas in the 17,500-21,000 seat range, which is what PPG Paints Arena is.
 
Gray52 said:
How do you explain the reduction in PSU’s ticket allocation? No team has added more fans at duals than PSU... not even close... yet our allocation has been cut.
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I'm not part of the process. I don't know the allocation formula nor the allocation to each team. I do know that the demand for this year's Championship is overwhelmingly great and demand will far exceed supply. Thus, people who don't get tickets will be disappointed and people who do get tickets will most likely be disappointed in the price they had to pay for those tickets.

Going back and looking at your first post of this thread, Coach Eggum's tweet states "...50% of tickets they requested/sold for The 2019 championships...." So, Minny's allotment didn't necessarily get cut, they just had a much higher demand for tickets than they are being allotted. That isn't news. I will bet that every team has this same situation. The NCAA isn't "robbing their fans" by not giving a school enough tickets for everyone who wants one. I don't know how Minny presented the NCAA ticket sale to their fans. The PSU fans on this board have discussed in quite a few threads the fact that signing up for/paying for NCAA tickets doesn't guarantee that one will actually be rewarded with tickets through PSU or any other school's NCAA ticket sign-up. Perhaps Minny wasn't clear on this, Coach Eggum is taking heat from fans, and is trying to deflect it back onto the NCAA. Perhaps he is trying to build demand for the 2020 NCAA Championships that they are hosting in a huge football stadium. I don't really know why he tweeted what he did. I suppose all that I know is this: demand for tickets for this year's Championship is at an unprecedented level; and, PPG Paints Arena seating capacity for the March 2019 Wrestling Championships will be around 18,300 rather than the 16,000 inferred in Coach Eggum's tweet.
 
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You are correct. I read his original tweet wrong. Coach Blake’s frustration seems to be his overall allocation was cut. Probably where I got the assumption that Minny was complaining about the same.

As far as PSU, I know the number of ticket we were allocated last year was down almost 40-50% from the prior year. That’s a percentage of tickets, not the percentage of awarded per request. The number of requests made no difference.
 
PPG holds 16,280 for arena football 8 mats do take up quite a bit of space.Oklahoma asked for 300 tickets and got 105 tickets.This is happening all over every university is getting stiffed the corporate sponsors or local sponsors anyone with a in took as many as they could it's PA.In a place like St Louis that doesn't happen which puts more tickets in wrestling fans hands.Not knocking PA at all it's a great wrestling state just stating why tickets are really hard to come by this year
 
I've heard that scalpers are able to buy up fairly large blocks of tickets early and sell them later at inflated prices. Does anyone know if this is true? It could be a reason for schools getting smaller allotments of tickets.
 
dpd926 said:
Coach Eggum's complaint loses some credibility when he completely makes up things. PPG Paints Arena has a seating capacity of 18,387 for hockey games. I'm not sure what it will be for wrestling but it will be a lot closer to 18,300 than it will be 16,000.

The NCAA is finally holding the NCAA Championships in the center of wrestling's popularity. How can Coach Eggum be surprised that there has been an overwhelming demand for tickets and that some of the allocations have to be reset? No one is happy about it because EVERYONE'S demand exceeds their allocation. The program that receives the most tickets to this year's Championship will not have enough tickets to meet the demand from their fans. There have to be at least 30 Division I programs (including the past 8 NCAA Championship-winning programs) and five of the top high school wrestling states in the country (PA, OH, NJ, NY, MI) located within an 8-hour drive of Pittsburgh - of course demand will be greater than it is in St. Louis or anywhere else!

It's about time that the NCAA starts to change their ticket allotments. Although Minnesota probably sells all of their tickets every year, long gone are the days when Minny was one of the top teams- in both performance and fan following- in the country. Penn State, Ohio State, Cornell are three programs that definitely deserve the "formula" to be updated from what is was 20 years ago. NC State, Va Tech, Rutgers are three more programs that have ratcheted up both performance and attendance in the past 10 years and they should be rewarded. Look at what Cary Kolat is doing at Campbell or what Bono- and now Hahn- have done at SDSU. Even the resurgence that Scott Moore is leading at Lock Haven. Programs that are growing the sport as evidenced by increased attendance and promotion should be rewarded with an increase in their allotment. That can only be done by recalibrating the allocation. Unfortunately, some of those teams that have benefitted over the past two decades from the lack of updating to the formula will end up losing some of their NCAA tickets. Just as these programs have dropped off in dual meet attendance and NCAA performance, their NCAA ticket allotment should drop, too.

This is one way for the NWCA and NCAA to "make duals matter" if the programs that are the ones promoting duals and promoting the sport and getting fans in seats are actually rewarded with their NCAA ticket allocation reflecting their accomplishments.

I empathize with the Minnesota and Stanford fans. But, a reallocation of the distribution of NCAA tickets is long overdue.
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heard the configuration is closer to 16K as well from another coach.. won't name which one but this was via personal phone call today to tell me that there were no tickets for me due to the 65% allotment reduction.. Pretty pathetic that the NCAA picks a venue which automatically shuts its biggest fans out essentially..
 
The NWCA and NCAA control large blocks of the better tickets in the arena. They now recognize the money making possibilities and sell to scalpers or to the best donors, in the case of the NWCA.

Our family has been going to the National Tourney for over 20 years, and our daughter has been getting tickets from NWCA for 5 or 6 years. This year they were told they are on a waiting list, and they are very good donors.

Ticket prices on vividseats, stubhub and the like are $650 to $3000 per ticket, and likely to increase. Interested to see if arena will be sold out.
 
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my guess is the ncaa is allotting the venues and sponsors more tickets and more of the better seats. I hope my transaction with the prime vendor comes through and is an example of good seats marked up. Similar to suites I assume.
Regarding bigger arena's... I only want to get so far away before I choose not to go. I would not want a ticket in the last row when there are better seats in your living room. After being to two superbowls (the atmosphere is something else) I'm more interested in seeing the action when it comes to wrestling.
 
It sounds like every program is impacted by this reduction. It also sounds like every program typically request for more tickets then they anticipate being allotted. So they are used to not receiving the requested amount but it has never been this drastic. This is nothing that any of the programs could’ve anticipated without the NCAA sharing that this year was going to be different than prior years.

Minnesota’s ticket policy is that you need to be in a booster club member to request tickets through them. Tickets are not guaranteed as they are first come first serve basis along with a couple other criteria Included. So there is always the gamble, but the regulars that have typically been attending through them Have never had an issue. Pretty sure the number of tickets requested exceeds the number of tickets they have received.

I think all the coaches are speaking out to advocate for transparency with hopes of some additional tickets being released. Others are also voicing frustration That they would select an arena that would utilize a seating configuration that would only house around 16,000 fans. In my opinion 20,000 should be the minimum four seats available.

I guarantee there are some people that have already purchased flights and paid for hotels that have had no problem in the past securing tickets that will be on able to get a ticket this year unless they are willing to pay unreasonable second market price(600-1200). This will affect more than one team. Also keep in mind that teams and booster clubs sign contracts years in advance for hotel room blocks using Past years data with some variance built-in. It’s hard to fill the rooms that you need when you don’t have the tickets to give people. It is impossible to anticipate this drastic of a reduction within one year. Hopefully some of the smaller booster clubs can withstand what will likely be a large loss financially.
 
I might not be correct but in my opinion some of the shrinkage in ticket allotments is due to the new arena (PPG, Quicken Loans etc) policies in regards to season ticket holders. The impact is that those club level and suite holders get first rights on the seating their companies or themselves have for Hockey or basketball etc. In the past some of this seating was including in the allotments (ie St. Louis, Okla City) as people let the tickets go into to allotment the NCAA would assign to schools. When an area like Cleveland and now Pittsburgh come up as host and you have tOSU and PSU in close proximity those ticket holders use the seats or are asked to keep them for fans of PSU etc. I know this is the case for a big group of my friends. When these arena's/sports teams gets companies and individuals to commit to tickets/club level seating there are promises made to give them first right of refusal for certain events.
I think this is part of the equation but probably not all of it. I really don't believe the size of the past two arena's has as much to do with it as the overall seating allignment (ie club, suites etc) If you notice there are many different club areas and levels in these new arenas. Check out Little Caesars arena in Detroit.
 
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You can buy tickets as soon as they go on sale every year. I’ve done this pretty much every year and have not had a bad experience. Not the best seats in the house but perfectly fine. No excuse for not getting in the door at face value.

Get those tickets than try to improve on them and if you can sell the original tickets. I’m sure you would have no trouble getting rid of them.
 
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The NWCA and NCAA control large blocks of the better tickets in the arena. They now recognize the money making possibilities and sell to scalpers or to the best donors, in the case of the NWCA.

Our family has been going to the National Tourney for over 20 years, and our daughter has been getting tickets from NWCA for 5 or 6 years. This year they were told they are on a waiting list, and they are very good donors.

Ticket prices on vividseats, stubhub and the like are $650 to $3000 per ticket, and likely to increase. Interested to see if arena will be sold out.
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No they likely will drop. Classic secondary market dynamics.
 
Went over and checked Stubhub yesterday.. lowest priced are about 800+ and there are only about 50 total tickets listed.. There are not going to be a ton on secondary this year if I had to guess.. and I would expect cost to stay high..
 
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You can buy tickets as soon as they go on sale every year. I’ve done this pretty much every year and have not had a bad experience. Not the best seats in the house but perfectly fine. No excuse for not getting in the door at face value.

Get those tickets than try to improve on them and if you can sell the original tickets. I’m sure you would have no trouble getting rid of them.
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I have also bought tickets that way every year to have extras for friends but for Pittsburgh I wasn't able to get them I was logged in and didn't get them this year.They usually release 1500 to the public but this year it was less
 
I will here from LHU tomorrow about tickets-- I also requested from PSU--I have 1100 NL points--im thinking that is not enough...Fingers crossed--we already have a house booked in PItt
 
For the NYC NCAA I bought tickets from the NCAA release on Friday afternoon the year before, this year they went on sale Wednesday morning before NCAA's even started and were sold out almost immediately. I was not able to get any. I supposedly have some from Binghamton, but after reading these posts I am lowering my expectation.
 
Last year the cut off for PSU tickets was over 1200 points and I'd expect it to be even higher this year... it is going to be a tough ticket for sure..
 
jpsolo said:
You can buy tickets as soon as they go on sale every year. I’ve done this pretty much every year and have not had a bad experience. Not the best seats in the house but perfectly fine. No excuse for not getting in the door at face value.

Get those tickets than try to improve on them and if you can sell the original tickets. I’m sure you would have no trouble getting rid of them.
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I did this and they were to ship 10-14 days after purchase. I have my Ticketmaster receipt, and called them, but they now say they will release them at a later date (now that we are 9 months later). I don't think I can even manage these tickets to sell if I get an upgrade in my Ticketmaster account. Did you receive yours?
 
i put in my request from lehigh. they had an option to pay now and get on their list. but i'm not a STH for them so i'm expecting to just get my money back.
 
CentexLion said:
I did this and they were to ship 10-14 days after purchase. I have my Ticketmaster receipt, and called them, but they now say they will release them at a later date (now that we are 9 months later). I don't think I can even manage these tickets to sell if I get an upgrade in my Ticketmaster account. Did you receive yours?
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I have not received mine, but I also can't understand why they would say they would ship that quickly. There's no possible way they would be printed and sitting somewhere a year before the event.
 
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Some info to share. Lehigh and Fresno State has sent out emails to confirm or deny ticket requests. Lock Haven, Clarion and Penn have all emailed stating they will notify via email by 1/18/19 which is tomorrow.
 
CentexLion said:
I did this and they were to ship 10-14 days after purchase. I have my Ticketmaster receipt, and called them, but they now say they will release them at a later date (now that we are 9 months later). I don't think I can even manage these tickets to sell if I get an upgrade in my Ticketmaster account. Did you receive yours?
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You will get them closer to event, if I remember correctly about a month out.
 
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I’m an alum and season ticket holder at edinboro. Requested ten (the max) and got zero. $3k in refunds coming through soon. Requested more thru lock haven and Pitt (season ticket holder at both) but I’m not confident in getting any. Not sure how much money I’d have to throw around to get some.
 
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BoroBuilt said:
I’m an alum and season ticket holder at edinboro. Requested ten (the max) and got zero. $3k in refunds coming through soon. Requested more thru lock haven and Pitt (season ticket holder at both) but I’m not confident in getting any. Not sure how much money I’d have to throw around to get some.
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If the $3k is other people's money, take it to Pittsburgh. You should be able to get a couple of tickets for that.
 
I got two from a University website a month ago. 240 each (at cost) upper deck. Looking forward to seeing the Seniors on this squad one last time.
 
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