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NCAA to present findings and (only) recommend post-season ban for Cheaters of the West. No vacated natty or wins per report

You poor thing. You went from "whatever happened, happened" to "whatever happened didn't happen, if you don't think it should have happened" to "if you think differently than me, you would have followed Hitler."

We're watching LandoTheUMTroll flame out.

It's just too bad UM never won a natty. And if you think they did, you ARE Hitler reincarnate, amirite? #Landologic
You're not even making sense. Where did I say whatever happened didn't happen?

See now you're saying you think Michigan didn't win when it's still valid. Just proved me right again.
 
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Isn't he in the NFL now?
Wonder why?

If he was a true Michigan Man and won a Natty there, and was raising his family in a beautiful community of his beloved alma mater- why would one possibly leave?

Oh yeah.,,,it is because he is such a good coach that he wanted to go back to the NFL to prove himself yet again, rather than smell the roses of the dynasty he was building.

All of this makes complete sense....

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Wonder why?

If he was a true Michigan Man and won a Natty there, and was raising his family in a beautiful community of his beloved alma mater- why would one possibly leave?

Oh yeah.,,,it is because he is such a good coach that he wanted to go back to the NFL to prove himself yet again, rather than smell the roses of the dynasty he was building.

All of this makes complete sense....

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Wonder why?

If he was a true Michigan Man and won a Natty there, and was raising his family in a beautiful community of his beloved alma mater- why would one possibly leave?

Oh yeah.,,,it is because he is such a good coach that he wanted to go back to the NFL to prove himself yet again, rather than smell the roses of the dynasty he was building.

All of this makes complete sense....

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it's common knowledge he was taking calls and willing to interview as far back as 2020, his return to the nfl was always a question of when, not if..
 
You're not even making sense. Where did I say whatever happened didn't happen?

Kid, according to you, if you believe what happened happened, then Hitler. You have to decide for yourself what happened (again, according to you). In your case, that would be not paying attention to the NCAA if they vacated your precious UM's wins/titles ... so what happened didn't happen.

If you still can't figure it out, ask your buddy, Adolf. #LandoLogic

See now you're saying you think Michigan didn't win when it's still valid. Just proved me right again.
Not only did Michigan not win, Michigan doesn't even exist. The university. The state. All imaginary. #LandoLogic
 
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Kid, according to you, if you believe what happened happened, then Hitler. If you have to decide for yourself what happened. In your case, that would be not paying attention to the NCAA if they vacated your precious UM's wins/titles ... so what happened didn't happen.

If you still can't figure it out, ask your buddy, Adolf. #LandoLogic


Not only did Michigan not win, Michigan doesn't even exist. The university. The state. All imaginary. #LandoLogic

How about his incredible @LandoLogic that the only party authorized to punish the cheater is...... (wait for it)..... the cheater. Huh??? Wha???
 
Appreciate the advise and respect you disagreeing with me most of the time. It would be boring if we all thought the same way about everything

Whatever you do, don't align yourself with dailybuck. He's a weird, weird dude with a VERY creepy, shady past. Judged "too weird and trashy" for Jerry Springer, but with Dahmer vibes, to boot.
 
Yes, it is. Glad you figured that out. Now if only you could figure out how to apologize for your mess in this thread and admit to your logical errors, you'd be on your way to normalcy.
Take your own advice--I'm not the one lacking logic but I don't think you even know what the word means.
 
Take your own advice--I'm not the one lacking logic but I don't think you even know what the word means.
Oh, goodie. Show me where my logical syllogism was either invalid or unsound. As in, show the syllogism I put forth and explain which step was wrong and why. And ... go ...
 
Oh, goodie. Show me where my logical syllogism was either invalid or unsound. As in, show the syllogism I put forth and explain which step was wrong and why. And ... go ...
You don't comprehend what logic is so I won't waste my team because you still won't understand it.
 
You don't comprehend what logic is so I won't waste my team because you still won't understand it.
You didn't even make an attempt?!? Sad. This is like the stoner student carrying a solid F grade being asked to walk up to the board and show how he solved a problem and responding with "Math teacher, you don't even understand math, so I won't waste my team, or time ... or something ... I'm too cool for this, bro! I'm leaving!" Don't worry ... you totally pulled it off. No one suspects a thing. You look totally bad-ass not being able to carry out a basic function.
 
"Stealing signals is pretty common in college football, but Michigan took it to a different level from what it sounds like to me. We made some changes to kind of protect our offense and defense from them in that semifinal game and I think it certainly helped us and I don't know if we would've won that game had we not gotten that information."

Dykes "moved on" from the situation, but said he hopes the NCAA comes down hard on programs who are found to have taken unfair advantages so it encourages others to "do things the right way" moving forward.

"One or two plays in the ball game probably resulted from that, it's hard to say that for sure, but I think we can speculate that way," Dykes said.

 
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Of course the NCAA controls the NC game and the playoffs.

They don't need to run these games to have control over them.

Exactly, all games every FBS team plays are "NCAA Sanctioned" as every FBS team is an NCAA Member School (IOW, NCAA can forfeit results after the fact if they deem it an appropriate rules violation penalty).
 
Your Paterno argument is about dumbest you could bring up. If you brought up NCAA list of wins then Bowden was at top. This is not about fan feelings. I consider 1994 a championship for PSU but NCAA won't show it. Remove the NC bc they cheated...not hard

I love how dumbass troll-boy keeps making this inane comparison - the Sandusky Second-Mile Charity Abuse and Fraud had ZERO to do with NCAA Rules Violations and the NCAA never, ever made any rules violation finding. The NCAA acted miles outside its limits of authority, power and jurisdiction in doing what they did which is why they packed their bags and removed all of their actions as if they were never taken in the first place as soon as they were challenged in Court.

Comparing this to scUM wantonly and blatantly violating NCAA Rules of Competition for multiple years and on an institutional basis is laughable inanity! But this has been pointed out to the scUM troll many times, but he's still posting his bullshit....what's that tell you?
 
I love how dumbass troll-boy keeps making this inane comparison - the Sandusky Second-Mile Charity Abuse and Fraud had ZERO to do with NCAA Rules Violations and the NCAA never, ever made any rules violation finding. The NCAA acted miles outside its limits of authority, power and jurisdiction in doing what they did which is why they packed their bags and removed all of their actions as if they were never taken in the first place as soon as they were challenged in Court.

Comparing this to scUM wantonly and blatantly violating NCAA Rules of Competition for multiple years and on an institutional basis is laughable inanity! But this has been pointed out to the scUM troll many times, but he's still posting his bullshit....what's that tell you?


The NCAA rolled back some of the sanctions after PSU cooperated with them and their representative George Mitchell.
 


The NCAA rolled back some of the sanctions after PSU cooperated with them and their representative George Mitchell.

Hey dumbass - the NCAA made no finding of a rules violation when they took their actions. They also removed their actions when they were sued in Court by the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania (and in settlement of the case) rather than face an imminent loss in Court for taking actions that they were never entitled to take under their contracts with PSU.

But you forgot to mention that, didn't you dumbass?
 
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The NCAA rolled back some of the sanctions after PSU cooperated with them and their representative George Mitchell.

Also btw, the illegitimate sanctions weren't "rolled back" - they were removed in settlement of a lawsuit including the NCAA surrendering the $60 million.
 
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Hey dumbass - the NCAA made no finding of a rules violation when they took their actions. They also removed their actions when they were sued in Court by the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania (and in settlement of the case) rather than face an imminent loss in Court for taking actions that they were never entitled to take under their contracts with PSU.

But you forgot to mention that, didn't you dumbass?
Not all sanctions were removed. Do you have a cite that says otherwise? PSU still had to pay $60 million and they had George Mitchell there ensuring their ethics compliance. Many other sanctions were rolled back before the lawsuit due to PS cooperation. The NCAA did find rules violations and those are cited in the letter that Emmert sent to Erickson. Namely, violations of Article 2 of the NCAA Constitution. PSU pled guilty to such by accepting the consent decree rather than a regular NCAA Investigation and relied on the Freeh report which the subsequent criminal convictions of Graham Spanier, Tim Curley and Gary Schultz with subsequent prison terms affirmed.
 
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Also btw, the illegitimate sanctions weren't "rolled back" - they were removed in settlement of a lawsuit including the NCAA surrendering the $60 million.
The NCAA agreed to the settlement and Emmert stated at the time that it was because of PSU's cooperation with the Ethics regulator (George Mitchell). The NCAA never admitted that the sanctions were "illegitimate" and no court ever found them so. If you have a cite for that then please provide.
 
Not all sanctions were removed. Do you have a cite that says otherwise? PSU still had to pay $60 million and they had George Mitchell there ensuring their ethics compliance. Many other sanctions were rolled back before the lawsuit due to PS cooperation. The NCAA did find rules violations and those are cited in the letter that Emmert sent to Erickson. Namely, violations of Article 2 of the NCAA Constitution. PSU pled guilty to such by accepting the consent decree rather than a regular NCAA Investigation and relied on the Freeh report which the subsequent criminal convictions of Graham Spanier, Tim Curley and Gary Schultz with subsequent prison terms affirmed.

No jagoff, NCAA returned the money to the State of Pennsylvania (owner of PSU via Land Grant Status) - PA directed the $$$ to PA Children's Charities.
 
The NCAA agreed to the settlement and Emmert stated at the time that it was because of PSU's cooperation with the Ethics regulator (George Mitchell). The NCAA never admitted that the sanctions were "illegitimate" and no court ever found them so. If you have a cite for that then please provide.

Dumbass, the NCAA withdrew their actions as part of a settlement to get The Commonwealth of Pennsylvania to drop their lawsuit against the NCAA. BTW, they surrendered the $60 million as part of settlement. You don't give the Plaintiff everything they demand unless you're losing jackass.
 
Dumbass, the NCAA withdrew their actions as part of a settlement to get The Commonwealth of Pennsylvania to drop their lawsuit against the NCAA.
The NCAA had prior to the lawsuit rolled back some of the sanctions due to PSU's post Spanier cooperation with the Ethics monitor George Mitchell.
BTW, they surrendered the $60 million as part of settlement. You don't give the Plaintiff everything they demand unless you're losing jackass.
The NCAA lost the argument on keeping the money but never said the sanctions were not legitimate or legal nor did any court. Penn State still had to pay. Furthermore, the subsequent convictions and imprisonment of CSS justified the NCAA's charge of operating unethically as a institution as required by their constitution by covering up Sandusky's crimes by it's most senior leaders. The Paterno's kept their lawsuit on until a few years later when they voluntarily dropped their suit (which you do when you're losing).
 
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I don't know why anyone is fighting about this
Sandusky's guilt has nothing to do with Paterno or Penn State.
As we have discussed before. Those saying Sandusky is innocent are doing so to absolve PSU and it's leaders of any wrongdoing. If Sandusky is not a pedophile then the whole scandal goes away they reason. But as you and I know, Sandusky is guilty.
 
As we have discussed before. Those saying Sandusky is innocent are doing so to absolve PSU and it's leaders of any wrongdoing. If Sandusky is not a pedophile then the whole scandal goes away they reason. But as you and I know, Sandusky is guilty.

Regardless of what you believe about Sandusky's guilt - it has ZERO to do with the NCAA (which administers and regulates Collegiate Member athletic Competitions and Athletic Departments) nor does have a shred to do with any NCAA Rule. But keep up your babbling bullshit and trolling.
 
Regardless of what you believe about Sandusky's guilt - it has ZERO to do with the NCAA (which administers and regulates Collegiate Member athletic Competitions and Athletic Departments) nor does have a shred to do with any NCAA Rule. But keep up your babbling bullshit and trolling.
Covering up Sandusky's crimes as Spanier, Curley and Schultz DID violate NCAA rules and that was explained in their initial letter to PSU. There are more to the NCAA rules than just sports recruiting. The NCAA Constitution mandates that members operate in an ethical manner and covering up a Pedophile to protect school image is a violation of NCAA rules. SO, to say PSU never violated any NCAA rules is incorrect.
 
It actually changes nothing despite him clearly being guilty
I don't agree with the deniers logic but they push it nonetheless. As to PSU, the trial of Spanier and the guilty pleas of Schultz and Curley settles that institutional guilt. FWIW, I oppose any and all NCAA vacating wins and think it stupid. Further I have no love for the NCAA either. I think they are a dinosaur.
 
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