The margin we NEED is 0.5, which may or may not match the margin YOU want.
No worries, no need to pull any shirts...
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I think the shirt stays on.
That said, how great would it be to see Hall walk out tonight and pin Meyer in CHA?
We Are!!!
That said, how great would it be to see Hall walk out tonight and pin Meyer in CHA?
We Are!!!
Well, there we have it. Scribe and Jammen outvoted Tbar, so it must be true. Because anyone who has ever visited The Mat Forums knows it's clearly not troll central, and it's by far home to the most rational thought on the sport.
(PS, missed word deliberate or honest mistake?)
Anyone that thinks the coaches haven't considered every possible line-up change, including pulling a certain you-know-who's redshirt, is out of touch. And it isn't because we discuss it ad nauseam here either...despite what Casey said 
.
Will "the Redshirt" be pulled? I don't know, but I do believe the coaches have a plan. They also see the guys in the room, know their hopes and dreams, are in touch with their academics, and on and on and on and on and...
Will we win the National Championship? I don't know, but again, I believe the coaches have a plan. Still, the guys need to perform, regardless of our line-up, and there's no guarantees. I'm guessing here, with confidence, if we don't win, and a certain you-know-who doesn't wrestle, we'll hear plenty of "told you so's", which in my opinion is pretty lame...but that's me, supportive of this staff unconditionally.
Enjoy the ride...
. Will "the Redshirt" be pulled? I don't know, but I do believe the coaches have a plan. They also see the guys in the room, know their hopes and dreams, are in touch with their academics, and on and on and on and on and...
Will we win the National Championship? I don't know, but again, I believe the coaches have a plan. Still, the guys need to perform, regardless of our line-up, and there's no guarantees. I'm guessing here, with confidence, if we don't win, and a certain you-know-who doesn't wrestle, we'll hear plenty of "told you so's", which in my opinion is pretty lame...but that's me, supportive of this staff unconditionally.
Enjoy the ride...
over the top arm-chair QBs is what puts a board over the top! Glad we have themAnyone that thinks the coaches haven't considered every possible line-up change, including pulling a certain you-know-who's redshirt, is out of touch. And it isn't because we discuss it ad nauseam here either...despite what Casey said
Will "the Redshirt" be pulled? I don't know, but I do believe the coaches have a plan. They also see the guys in the room, know their hopes and dreams, are in touch with their academics, and on and on and on and on and...
Will we win the National Championship? I don't know, but again, I believe the coaches have a plan. Still, the guys need to perform, regardless of our line-up, and there's no guarantees. I'm guessing here, with confidence, if we don't win, and a certain you-know-who doesn't wrestle, we'll hear plenty of "told you so's", which in my opinion is pretty lame...but that's me, supportive of this staff unconditionally.
Enjoy the ride...
One man's view...combine with OP's post...
Dice’s OP was very thoughtful. My comments; 1) our guys will wrestle above their seed (on average), and 2) we’ll score more bonus points than our opponent. But anything can happen at the National Championships, where nothing is guaranteed, and bizarre things do happen.
Listen to Cael. Paraphrased, he says things like “no one will hand us the Championship”, “our guys need to step up and make it happen (when talking about team and individual results)”…among other things. A good listen are the Radio Shows…
Right now, on paper, Penn State and Okie State are neck-and-neck, with a rankings edge for Placement and Advancement Points to the Cowboys. But the matches aren’t wrestled on paper, so I’m giving the Nits the edge. Next are Ohio State, Iowa and Va Tech…with a significant drop after that to a senior-laden Nebraska team, and even the Mizzou Tigers and Big Red. Not enough firepower from those 3 though to become National Champ, my opinion, though one or two could displace any of the top-5, and maybe even reach the podium.
Oklahoma State is good, very good. Wrestle a great tournament, and they may well be 2017 Champs. Not much margin for error though, and that’s their problem. I wouldn’t call anyone on their team a bonus point machine, though Rogers (165) could go on a pin-binge, so beyond some first round wins of the bonus point variety, and maybe a couple in wrestle-backs…huge edge PSU. Then there’s Placement Points. Forget the rankings or seeds, they’re a bad indicator of NCAA finish, and anyone that uses them as gospel needs a history lesson. A Piccininni AA finish would be huge for the Cowboys, but I’m not optimistic that will happen. The rest of their guys have more down-side potential than upside. I’m a Kaid Brock fan, but he’s already at his upside (at #2), and his downside (with Clark, Tomasello, Micic, Montoya, Richards, Gross and a couple others) is more like 4th or 5th. Heil is at his upside (#1), and he’s one takedown or a ride-out, from 2nd or 3rd…not a fan of his style at all. Collica, too, is at his upside (#2), so can only fall. Smith may benefit (move up one spot) if Palacio goes 165, and he does have upside of 1 or 2 slots, so a couple points are possible. Rogers is a wildcard. A little upside (Placement) with lots of downside. He’s a pinner, so Bonus Points are likely, but a 7 minute match with the Lewis’, Cottrell’s, and Valencia’s of the world and he may not AA. Fringe AA, my opinion. Crutchmer (#5), Boyd (#6), Weigel (#4) and Schafer (#7) are all, in my opinion, at or really close to their highest possible finish. Their downside is far greater than any upside, and that loses valuable team points.
Ohio State has, on paper, the 2nd highest bonus point potential as a team. Odds are, recent problems at 125, losing Hayes, and Ryan’s performance at 157, in sum total, will be a placement point killer for tOSU. They’ve still got the 3 big dogs (Tomasello, Jordan, and Snyder), but they’re at they’re upside (all are #1), and 2 of those have major challenges, and BoJo’s health is an unknown. Little Jordan is the real deal, and I think his upside is high (he’s #5 now), so that’s a plus. Then there’s MyMar, but the chance the brackets will open up like the Red Sea again, plus considering his regular season performance, suggest he’s a 7/8 guy at best. They look like the 3rd best team, to me.
Iowa now has more upside than Ohio State, overall. Several of their guys lost at OSU, and were moved down, and I believe the three I’m referring to (Clark at #3, Sorensen at #3, and Stoll at #8), could all best their current ranking. Gilman, is their lone major bonus point contributor, so that is advantage Nits, and advantage Buckeyes. Gilman, Kemerer, and Brooks are at or really close to their upside, so any fall would be disastrous to the Hawks chances. Doubt they’ll get anything out of 141, 165, or 197…so quantity, not just quality, is a factor for them.
Dice’s OP was very thoughtful. My comments; 1) our guys will wrestle above their seed (on average), and 2) we’ll score more bonus points than our opponent. But anything can happen at the National Championships, where nothing is guaranteed, and bizarre things do happen.
Listen to Cael. Paraphrased, he says things like “no one will hand us the Championship”, “our guys need to step up and make it happen (when talking about team and individual results)”…among other things. A good listen are the Radio Shows…
Right now, on paper, Penn State and Okie State are neck-and-neck, with a rankings edge for Placement and Advancement Points to the Cowboys. But the matches aren’t wrestled on paper, so I’m giving the Nits the edge. Next are Ohio State, Iowa and Va Tech…with a significant drop after that to a senior-laden Nebraska team, and even the Mizzou Tigers and Big Red. Not enough firepower from those 3 though to become National Champ, my opinion, though one or two could displace any of the top-5, and maybe even reach the podium.
Oklahoma State is good, very good. Wrestle a great tournament, and they may well be 2017 Champs. Not much margin for error though, and that’s their problem. I wouldn’t call anyone on their team a bonus point machine, though Rogers (165) could go on a pin-binge, so beyond some first round wins of the bonus point variety, and maybe a couple in wrestle-backs…huge edge PSU. Then there’s Placement Points. Forget the rankings or seeds, they’re a bad indicator of NCAA finish, and anyone that uses them as gospel needs a history lesson. A Piccininni AA finish would be huge for the Cowboys, but I’m not optimistic that will happen. The rest of their guys have more down-side potential than upside. I’m a Kaid Brock fan, but he’s already at his upside (at #2), and his downside (with Clark, Tomasello, Micic, Montoya, Richards, Gross and a couple others) is more like 4th or 5th. Heil is at his upside (#1), and he’s one takedown or a ride-out, from 2nd or 3rd…not a fan of his style at all. Collica, too, is at his upside (#2), so can only fall. Smith may benefit (move up one spot) if Palacio goes 165, and he does have upside of 1 or 2 slots, so a couple points are possible. Rogers is a wildcard. A little upside (Placement) with lots of downside. He’s a pinner, so Bonus Points are likely, but a 7 minute match with the Lewis’, Cottrell’s, and Valencia’s of the world and he may not AA. Fringe AA, my opinion. Crutchmer (#5), Boyd (#6), Weigel (#4) and Schafer (#7) are all, in my opinion, at or really close to their highest possible finish. Their downside is far greater than any upside, and that loses valuable team points.
Ohio State has, on paper, the 2nd highest bonus point potential as a team. Odds are, recent problems at 125, losing Hayes, and Ryan’s performance at 157, in sum total, will be a placement point killer for tOSU. They’ve still got the 3 big dogs (Tomasello, Jordan, and Snyder), but they’re at they’re upside (all are #1), and 2 of those have major challenges, and BoJo’s health is an unknown. Little Jordan is the real deal, and I think his upside is high (he’s #5 now), so that’s a plus. Then there’s MyMar, but the chance the brackets will open up like the Red Sea again, plus considering his regular season performance, suggest he’s a 7/8 guy at best. They look like the 3rd best team, to me.
Iowa now has more upside than Ohio State, overall. Several of their guys lost at OSU, and were moved down, and I believe the three I’m referring to (Clark at #3, Sorensen at #3, and Stoll at #8), could all best their current ranking. Gilman, is their lone major bonus point contributor, so that is advantage Nits, and advantage Buckeyes. Gilman, Kemerer, and Brooks are at or really close to their upside, so any fall would be disastrous to the Hawks chances. Doubt they’ll get anything out of 141, 165, or 197…so quantity, not just quality, is a factor for them.
championships arent won in january. lets just enjoy it now. then march will come and i will enjoy the ride then, too.
Geno is famous for his practice room hero abilities. Also, though his matches with Bo Jordan were close, the difference in their points at nationals was not.
I think Bo Jordan will be the favorite. Though I agree that Zahid will win.
Still a ridiculous claim to say that nobody outside of Ohio thinks Bo Jordan will win it. Unless he loses at Big Tens, his odds will be better than Nickal's, and there's no disputing that.
Still a ridiculous claim to say that nobody outside of Ohio thinks Bo Jordan will win it. Unless he loses at Big Tens, his odds will be better than Nickal's, and there's no disputing that.
Roar, I mean this as a compliment....you are a wrestling sage!!! I enjoy your well thought out insight!!
My thoughts....I am not the brightest light bulb in the box...maybe I am misunderstanding some posters that strongly believe we are a strong favorite to win but if that is truly the sentiment and belief then we should cancel Nationals this year and just hand us the champion trophy because the paper and gut feeling says we win it all!! I know I am preaching to the choir....but crazy things happen....you have seen it. Just to mention a few. A.J. Schoop his senior year losing in the open round but wrestling back to 3rd. Kendric Maple finishing 8th his senior year after being a finalist (I think). Zeke Moisey a finalist his freshman year. Matt Brown winning it on a penalty point in the last few seconds....crazy stuff....fun stuff... exciting stuff. The paper and the gut said none of that would happen.
I said "Bo Jordan and his walking boot." The fact is that he's been unable to stay healthy this year.
But keep on misrepresenting me, because LemonPie.
Didn't know you had the inside scoop on his injury. You're the walking boot expert, I guess.
I don't know that there's many here who believe PSU is a strong favorite to win. Even before Cortez went out. I think there are lots of people who believe PSU is the favorite. We are definitely NOT a lock and I don't think anyone was saying we were. For me, there are three things in our favor in a tight race: 1) our wrestlers have typically peaked in March and done very well vs. their seeds, 2) our competition typically does not have the bonus potential we do, 3) our competition's wrestlers often wrestle more 1-2 point bouts than we do and that makes them more susceptible to upsets.
I'm definitely more worried with Cortez out. Even though I didn't expect he would generate a large amount of points, in a tight race every point will matter and makes our margin for error even smaller. Injuries were the only thing I thought could derail us. Hopefully we don't have any more.
Just like Dice's original post, this is just excellent, I'd like it twice, if I could. In my own mind when I look at who's going to win Nationals, I think PSU has as good, or better chances than their main competition. It won't be easy, but the path is there, and I'm confident our guys have the ability, resources, and coaching to achieve their goals and make it happen.
I wouldn't go that far with the interpretation...
The posters dice referenced were making a case that pulling of the shirt was necessary (as opposed to merely predicting whether it would happen).
We won't know what was necessary until after Nationals.
No worries, no need to pull any shirts... was the OP
Evidently, the coaches decided in advance of Nationals it was necessary to pull the shirt, as suggested by a few posters
Let me try again. No one can claim to be "right" about the decision until the final scores play out. No one is disputing what the coaches decided. We'll all find out on March 18th whether we had points to spare.
Everything is opinion until then.
+1
Even then there will be some speculation as to how well Morelli would have done instead. It's a debate nobody can win. I just want a National Championship!
It's a debate that is over. LMAO. Nice move of the goal posts though, haha.
Nooooo. Let me speak slower. If we win the championship by more points than Mark Hall scores, it means we didn't need to burn his redshirt. If we win the championship by less, the debate will be whether Morelli would have scored enough for us to still win.
Careful, you'll be accused of ad hominem attacks. I always figured wrestling fans to be tougher than that, but I guess victim cards are for more than politics.
Did you happen to notice the super-hyperactive defense of the decision mode that came out last night, after Hall lost? I'll bet some keyboards fried from the sweat pouring down on them.
Yeah, I definitely noticed a spike (not to be confused with spyke) in volume on defensive chattiness from an individual last night and into today.
Oh, and a huge spike in volume on LMAOs.
Noooo, you are moving the goal posts. The question was the shirt, and that was the question. Stop walking it back.
Nice to see your still bitter even though our team won the match 26-11. Memorizing posts, counting "lols", etc....that's some serious obsessive compulsive stuff there. Didn't even see one post from you on the actual match, wonder why?
LMAO. Count that one too.
"No, it's not "the sky is falling" to say that we need Mark Hall"
"Burn the shirt and let's go get number six by the margin we need."
That word spelled "n-e-e-d" sure sounds like more than whether to pull it or not. And, that was a very quick search.
There he goes with that "our team" stuff again. What is he, an assistant coach or something?
Still not one post on wrestling, just your stalking obsession. Lame.
This is a wrestling board, get a grip on yourself and try to get over your stalking problem, and post about wrestling. That's 109 out of 148 posts about me. Stop stalking, it's an issue.
This is a wrestling board, get a grip on yourself and try to get over your stalking problem, and post about wrestling. That's 109 out of 148 posts about me. Stop stalking, it's an issue.
Not sure I see it that way, I was under the impression that in the beginning shirting was something both mark and Cael were on board with and thought I read that mark wanted to shirt. I would think to pull it was due to some cHange of heart on mark's part and if I had to guess winning the scuffle played a part in that. Sure that Cael was on board also as a result and throw in the injury to Cortez probably made him even more receptive. This is all just speculation but seems like they changed their view as the facts changed
What was truly great, was how you had jack @$^& to say, after Penn State beat Iowa. 26-11 huge win and not one word to say about the actual wrestling match. Not one.
Beautiful. And true.
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