No worries, no need to pull any shirts...

[lobo lion]

Snyder is one of the top 5 pound for pound wrestlers in the nation, maybe the world: If they need pins, he'll pin everyone until Saturday night. Walz included.

Can we put this right up there with:

- your assurance that there is zero percent chance that Teasdale will wrestle over 120 pounds this season; and

- your assurance before the season that "A. Valencia will go at 174 next year, and Z. Valencia will go at 184. Period"

 

[El-Jefe]

Snyder is one of the top 5 pound for pound wrestlers in the nation, maybe the world: If they need pins, he'll pin everyone until Saturday night. Walz included.

Which explains why he beat Walz 10-6 last year. They just didn't need a pin.

 

[21Guns]

Can we put this right up there with:

- your assurance that there is zero percent chance that Teasdale will wrestle over 120 pounds this season; and

- your assurance before the season that "A. Valencia will go at 174 next year, and Z. Valencia will go at 184. Period"

You are doing nothing but stalking and posting ad hominem. Cheap, and frankly, lame. On ignore.

 

[slushhead]

 

[dunkej01]

You are doing nothing but stalking and posting ad hominem. Cheap, and frankly, lame. On ignore.

Serious question, but can you take a guess at how many people you have on ignore.

You have a serious fan club in the interwebs and your the only guy I know on these sports boards with your own parody account, which says something.

So Ill take a stab at you having + 3 dozen people on ignore. Close?

 

[21Guns]

Serious question, but can you take a guess at how many people you have on ignore.

You have a serious fan club in the interwebs and your the only guy I know on these sports boards with your own parody account, which says something.

So Ill take a stab at you having + 3 dozen people on ignore. Close?

I don't ignore you, and the parody account was banned.

 

[tuggerjug]

Serious question, but can you take a guess at how many people you have on ignore.

You have a serious fan club in the interwebs and your the only guy I know on these sports boards with your own parody account, which says something.

So Ill take a stab at you having + 3 dozen people on ignore. Close?

I've been on here a couple months so forgive my ignorance but why does 21Guns, Spyker and Lemon-Pie get so much negative feedback? I know they beat the "pull the shirts" drum pretty loud (btw...which I agree with them on) but they seem knowledgable and one or more seem to have access to watching practice (is that bs? - if not I'm glad he's posting) they are passionate lions fans and don't seem to diminsh the kids in any way. why do people diss them?

 

[21Guns]

Nice response.

I've been on here a couple months so forgive my ignorance but why does 21Guns, Spyker and Lemon-Pie get so much negative feedback? I know they beat the "pull the shirts" drum pretty loud (btw...which I agree with them on) but they seem knowledgable and one or more seem to have access to watching practice (is that bs? - if not I'm glad he's posting) they are passionate lions fans and don't seem to diminsh the kids in any way. why do people diss them?

Because it's a lot easier to try to fit in with a little clique and attack people and jump on a pile, than it is to actually address topics on a MESSAGE BOARD, and have both reason, and responsibility.

 

[21Guns]

Which explains why he beat Walz 10-6 last year. They just didn't need a pin.

I'd take Snyder by at least a major, maybe a tech fall, when they meet again.

 

[El-Jefe]

Snyder is one of the top 5 pound for pound wrestlers in the nation, maybe the world: If they need pins, he'll pin everyone until Saturday night. Walz included.

I'd take Snyder by at least a major, maybe a tech fall, when they meet again.

I'll interpret these to mean Ohio State will be out of the team race before the national finals, possibly the semifinals.

 

[dunkej01]

I've been on here a couple months so forgive my ignorance but why does 21Guns, Spyker and Lemon-Pie get so much negative feedback? I know they beat the "pull the shirts" drum pretty loud (btw...which I agree with them on) but they seem knowledgable and one or more seem to have access to watching practice (is that bs? - if not I'm glad he's posting) they are passionate lions fans and don't seem to diminsh the kids in any way. why do people diss them?

They're misunderstood?

Spykers my boy, hes been around since the beginning. His posting game hasnt changed one bit, other than maybe a few less !! here and there.

 

[PSUAllTheWay]

I've been on here a couple months so forgive my ignorance but why does 21Guns, Spyker and Lemon-Pie get so much negative feedback? I know they beat the "pull the shirts" drum pretty loud (btw...which I agree with them on) but they seem knowledgable and one or more seem to have access to watching practice (is that bs? - if not I'm glad he's posting) they are passionate lions fans and don't seem to diminsh the kids in any way. why do people diss them?

It's because for a couple of fans who supposedly attend practices, they seem to have no grasp of what's going on at all.

I know this forum does not like to band members but ENOUGH!

 

[21Guns]

It's because for a couple of fans who supposedly attend practices, they seem to have no grasp of what's going on at all.

I know this forum does not like to band members but ENOUGH!

Please provide examples of how we "don't have a grasp of what's going on at all". Be clear, be concise, and prove how we "don't have a grasp of what's going on".

And it's "ban" members, not "band members". Band members are people like Steven Tyler, Joe Perry, Joey Kramer, Brad Whitford, etc...they are BAND MEMBERS of Aerosmith.

 

[tuggerjug]

It's because for a couple of fans who supposedly attend practices, they seem to have no grasp of what's going on at all.

I know this forum does not like to band members but ENOUGH!

well for the record I'm on team 21 Guns, spyker and Lemon Pie - appreciate their insight and passion.

 

[21Guns]

well for the record I'm on team 21 Guns, spyker and Lemon Pie - appreciate their insight and passion.

Thanks amigo. Love and respect to you also.

 

[YoungGunsWC]

well for the record I'm on team 21 Guns, spyker and Lemon Pie - appreciate their insight and passion.

Lol

 

[JOESTROSSER]

Nolf = Snyder
Zain = Tomasello
Nickal = Jordan
Suriano = M. Jordan
Joseph = Martin
Nevills = Moore

Our bottom 4 is a little better, but we're talking maybe a difference of 3 points?

tOSU basically has the same formula. We better be rooting for Micah to lose to Sorensen and get the 4-seed. If Micah makes the final, they 90% chance they have four in the finals. If Martin and Moore make AA, and one of Nevills or Joseph fall short, I'm sure they have enough to overcome the bonus points by PSU.

Iowa can also do 4 finalists and have a path to 1st.

So Tomasello equals Zain? Last year 28.5 for Zain and 17 for Tomasello. That's a huge disparity. Sure it could be different this year, but Zain is so far ahead of the field I doubt it. Brock, Clark even Micic are capable of beating Tomasello. Long way to go to say these two are even close to equal.

I'll call Snyder vs Nolf a push as I see both running the field with huge bonus.
B. Jordan vs Nickal. Edge Nickal. prohibitive finalist vs a 4 seed at best at this point.

M. Jordan vs Suriano. Edge Suriano, but again early. Suraino a 3 as is, Jordan a 5 with the top 3, even 4, heavy favorites.
Matin vs Joseph. Tough call on this one. Martin was a low seed lst year and got a great draw and the capitalized on a Nickal mistake. I'll call this a draw. Two tough weights.
Moore vs Nevills. Not enough info, but I like the way Nevills is trending.
Other 4 tbd.

 

[El-Jefe]

So Tomasello equals Zain? Last year 28.5 for Zain and 17 for Tomasello. That's a huge disparity. Sure it could be different this year, but Zain is so far ahead of the field I doubt it. Brock, Clark even Micic are capable of beating Tomasello. Long way to go to say these two are even close to equal.

Every single one of those lines should say PSU > OSU (with the possible exception of Nevills and Moore due to 197 weakness and HWT strength). The Penn Stater will place as high or higher AND score more bonus.

 

[JOESTROSSER]

Every single one of those lines should say PSU > OSU (with the possible exception of Nevills and Moore due to 197 weakness and HWT strength). The Penn Stater will place as high or higher AND score more bonus.

Working my thought it, but so far I agree!

 

[LemonPie]

Every single one of those lines should say PSU > OSU (with the possible exception of Nevills and Moore due to 197 weakness and HWT strength). The Penn Stater will place as high or higher AND score more bonus.

That's fine you feel that way, but you may just be a homer. A large portion of wrestling fans believe BoJo will place 1st and Nickal 2nd. That would put BoJo at +2/3 over Nickal, assuming Nickal has a slight bonus edge..

Micah as a 4-seed < Suriano, but Micah as a 2-3 seed = Suriano. A lot depends on his matches with Sorensen.

Martin is a national champ in a tough weight. Joseph is a beast freshman in a tough weight.

Their top 6 compares favorably. Not surprised most PSU fans think they have the edge, but I'm sure tOSU fans feel similarly about their group.

 

[21Guns]

Hall beats Jordan, right now, if they meet.

 

[JOESTROSSER]

Hall beats Jordan, right now, if they meet.

That's not the point. It isn't happening unless something changes.

 

[LemonPie]

I've been on here a couple months so forgive my ignorance but why does 21Guns, Spyker and Lemon-Pie get so much negative feedback? I know they beat the "pull the shirts" drum pretty loud (btw...which I agree with them on) but they seem knowledgable and one or more seem to have access to watching practice (is that bs? - if not I'm glad he's posting) they are passionate lions fans and don't seem to diminsh the kids in any way. why do people diss them?

For the record, I'm perfectly fine with Rasheed at 174. Anytime I bring up Hall, it has more to do with a guy named Geno. I know I get lumped in with those guys, but not sure that I should. I don't even think Hall would be a national champ. They think he would breeze through the tournament.

 

[JOESTROSSER]

That's fine you feel that way, but you may just be a homer. A large portion of wrestling fans believe BoJo will place 1st and Nickal 2nd. That would put BoJo at +2/3 over Nickal, assuming Nickal has a slight bonus edge..

Micah as a 4-seed < Suriano, but Micah as a 2-3 seed = Suriano. A lot depends on his matches with Sorensen.

Martin is a national champ in a tough weight. Joseph is a beast freshman in a tough weight.

Their top 6 compares favorably.

As a Penn State fan I hope M. Jordan beats Collica, at least as it stands at this point. Okie is the greater threat and by a good margin, IMO.

 

[El-Jefe]

That's fine you feel that way, but you may just be a homer. A large portion of wrestling fans believe BoJo will place 1st and Nickal 2nd. That would put BoJo at +2/3 over Nickal, assuming Nickal has a slight bonus edge..

Micah as a 4-seed < Suriano, but Micah as a 2-3 seed = Suriano. A lot depends on his matches with Sorensen.

Martin is a national champ in a tough weight. Joseph is a beast freshman in a tough weight.

Their top 6 compares favorably.

Who outside of Ohio and trolls have Bo Jordan and his walking boot beating Zahid?

Not much point reading past that.

 

[LemonPie]

Who outside of Ohio and trolls have Bo Jordan and his walking boot beating Zahid?

Not much point reading past that.

LOL. This is El-Jefean if i've ever seen it. You can't be serious. How convenient for you to dismiss BoJo and assume Nickal walks to the finals.

Just checked a mid-season predictions thread on themat.com and BoJo was taking about 60% of 174. All Ohio trolls.

 

[Cali_Nittany]

I can't resist throwing more fuel on the dumpster fire... This post seems to be not getting the attention it deserves on the rankings thread so I'm putting it here:

. He beat Morelli in a wrestle-off this week (a 3-2 squeaker is one score I've heard) and is likely to weigh-in at Carver tomorrow night. Just. In. Case.

Edit: referring to Hall

 

[LemonPie]

Morelli really is a practice room hero to make it that close. Feel bad for Hammond.

 

[21Guns]

For the record, I'm perfectly fine with Rasheed at 174. Anytime I bring up Hall, it has more to do with a guy named Geno. I know I get lumped in with those guys, but not sure that I should. I don't even think Hall would be a national champ. They think he would breeze through the tournament.

No, I never said "breeze through the tournament". I think he beats Jordan, you don't.

 

[21Guns]

I can't resist throwing more fuel on the dumpster fire... This post seems to be not getting the attention it deserves on the rankings thread so I'm putting it here:

Both are ranked 14th. I think, and hope, they outwrestle their seed when they get to St Louis, if that's how Cael wants it.

 

[LemonPie]

No, I never said "breeze through the tournament". I think he beats Jordan, you don't.

I think it would be close. Would love to see it. Better matchup than Zahid.

 

[21Guns]

Morelli really is a practice room hero to make it that close. Feel bad for Hammond.

I think he wasn't ready a few years back...he has steadily improved and is more comfortable out of the spot light now. Good for him, glad to see him wrestling well, and hope that they don't face each other in St Louis.

 

[21Guns]

I think it would be close. Would love to see it. Better matchup than Zahid.

Absolute agreement there, and exactly what i was going to say also: The style matchup is much better then Zahid.

 

[LemonPie]

Both are ranked 14th. I think, and hope, they outwrestle their seed when they get to St Louis, if that's how Cael wants it.

I think the wrestle-off post was about Hall.

 

[PSiloveU]

21guns needs to understand PROBABILITY. The chances of OSU placing all 10 wrestlers is slim to none. It is just as likely that PSU places in every weight but 133 and 141. If that happens than PSU wins in comfortable fashion. Understand tournament scoring and you will realize that PSU is the favorite given our past track record come march, the GUARANTEED bonus points, and the fact that there are 3 assurances in the world this year...Retherford will major in the finals, Nolf will bonus through to the finals, and Nickal will pin at least 2 kids on his way to the finals. On top of that Suriano will place at least top 4. Suck on that 21 Guns and parade yourself over to the Hawkeye forum.

 

[diggerpup]

If true, and Hall only beat Morelli 3-2, then all the more reason to keep the redshirt on him.

Nothing against Gino, but 3-2 would be a result we would expect from Rasheed.

 

[diggerpup]

21guns needs to understand PROBABILITY. The chances of OSU placing all 10 wrestlers is slim to none. It is just as likely that PSU places in every weight but 133 and 141. If that happens than PSU wins in comfortable fashion. Understand tournament scoring and you will realize that PSU is the favorite given our past track record come march, the GUARANTEED bonus points, and the fact that there are 3 assurances in the world this year...Retherford will major in the finals, Nolf will bonus through to the finals, and Nickal will pin at least 2 kids on his way to the finals. On top of that Suriano will place at least top 4. Suck on that 21 Guns and parade yourself over to the Hawkeye forum.

Bravo. Please post more often.

 

[purescurve]

If true, and Hall only beat Morelli 3-2, then all the more reason to keep the redshirt on him.

Nothing against Gino, but 3-2 would be a result we would expect from Rasheed.

Agree, the guy here had a good write-up. Don't skim over it.

http://www.bloodround.com/blog/2017/1/17/phat-mat-stats-is-about-to-get-bloody

 

[21Guns]

A win is a win is a win. Especially against a room wrestler who excels at practice and has faced someone every day during those practices. Either way, he is weighing in and will be ready, and that's a good thing.

 

[21Guns]

21guns needs to understand PROBABILITY. The chances of OSU placing all 10 wrestlers is slim to none. It is just as likely that PSU places in every weight but 133 and 141. If that happens than PSU wins in comfortable fashion. Understand tournament scoring and you will realize that PSU is the favorite given our past track record come march, the GUARANTEED bonus points, and the fact that there are 3 assurances in the world this year...Retherford will major in the finals, Nolf will bonus through to the finals, and Nickal will pin at least 2 kids on his way to the finals. On top of that Suriano will place at least top 4. Suck on that 21 Guns and parade yourself over to the Hawkeye forum.

Such hostility, tisk tisk tisk. LMAO.

Burn the shirt and let's go get number six by the margin we need. Hall weighs in and dresses for Iowa. Cael's call, and it is a match day call.