Not good, Kainoa Winston to Michigan

[NittanyIllinois]

My point is made because you totally have no self-awareness.. and you stated opinions not facts. You can curtail Ryan's wins and losses to create an opinion on that but that's all it is. I think you're obsession about some of the topics that are on these message boards is pretty creepy to be honest. James would gladly trade his resume for Ryan's right now.

The only explanation I can come to is that he lost a girl to a Buckeye fan or something.

He's the type of person that will never accept responsibility for shortcomings. It will always be somebody else's fault, and that somebody else is a villain that will absorb all of his attention.

He'll never look inward and see if perhaps he's the reason for the problem. It'll always be something else.

Our status as #NotElite will always be attributed to some other force. It'll never be the fact that our coaches shit down their pants when it matters.

You'd think a Penn State fan more than anybody would appreciate the value of truly elite coaching. We had one of the greatest to ever live for such a long period of time. A man who never made excuses. A man that actually won big games -- against bigger talent, even.

 

[EdwardoCarrachio]

Ryan Day is 5-0 against James Franklin.

Franklin = still not elite.

And Day has had top 3 talent and more 5 stars than the rest of the conference combined while PSU had top 15 -20 talent. He should win those.

And Day has lost 3 straight to Michigan while having top 3 talent and more 5 stars than the rest of the conference combined while Michigan has had top 10 to top 15 talent. He should lose maybe 1 in 3 of those at most.

 

[EdwardoCarrachio]

The only explanation I can come to is that he lost a girl to a Buckeye fan or something.

He's the type of person that will never accept responsibility for shortcomings. It will always be somebody else's fault, and that somebody else is a villain that will absorb all of his attention.

He'll never look inward and see if perhaps he's the reason for the problem. It'll always be something else.

Our status as #NotElite will always be attributed to some other force. It'll never be the fact that our coaches shit down their pants when it matters.

You'd think a Penn State fan more than anybody would appreciate the value of truly elite coaching. We had one of the greatest to ever live for such a long period of time. A man who never made excuses. A man that actually won big games -- against bigger talent, even.

Stop projecting who you are and your experiences to someone you've never met. Smart people know that when you do this, it says more about who you are than any poster that you have never even met.

 

[Westcoast24]

So you do not like those facts about Ryan Day and his underperformance. Noted.

Hypothetically asking. Would you take Day over Franklin right now?

 

[PSUNYGNYY]

Franklin’s recruiting misses have been huge this recruiting cycle. Kainoa is Kevin Winston’s cousin and plays a position PSU has churned out some really good players that have gone on to have a lot of success in the NFL. We lost the #1 player in PA in Mathis that also plays a position PSU has developed well. We lost a legacy recruit who was the #1 olineman in PA. Rutgers is out recruiting us. They just flipped the #1 olineman in NJ and picked up the #1 player in NJ at a huge position of need for us. We may only get one of the top ten players players in PA. It’s great that Franklin can develop talent, but we’ll never beat OSU or UM without at least some top recruits.

 

[NittanyIllinois]

Stop projecting who you are and your experiences to someone you've never met. Smart people know that when you do this, it says more about who you are than any poster that you have never even met.

No need to meet you in person to see that you're the type to find lame ass excuses to explain away things that bother you.

You just blamed the refs for why OSU has dicked Franklin for nearly a decade now. Not a once have you acknowledged the role that our own coaching staff has played in this losing streak -- or our broader inability to win big games. You're an excuse maker.

This is the staff that couldn't bring itself to adjust to effing Bret Beileima's 6-man OL front. No wonder they're not up to the challenge of a far more talented OSU team.

I think Ryan Day is more John Cooper than Urban Meyer. But Franklin has made him look like Vince Lombardi the past 5 years in our matchups. Time to look in the mirror, excuses boy.

Projection? LOL. I'm not the one expending my mental energies trying to convince the world that we have more NFL draft picks than OSU yet are less talented and thus shouldn't be expected to win these games.

 

[EdwardoCarrachio]

Hypothetically asking. Would you take Day over Franklin right now?

No. He was born on 3B and thinks he hit a triple. With the talent you have had over the last decade, you should have had Alabama/Georgia results.

 

[EdwardoCarrachio]

No need to meet you in person to see that you're the type to find lame ass excuses to explain away things that bother you.

You just blamed the refs for why OSU has dicked Franklin for nearly a decade now. Not a once have you acknowledged the role that our own coaching staff has played in this losing streak -- or our broader inability to win big games. You're an excuse maker.

This is the staff that couldn't bring itself to adjust to effing Bret Beileima's 6-man OL front. No wonder they're not up to the challenge of a far more talented OSU team.

I think Ryan Day is more John Cooper than Urban Meyer. But Franklin has made him look like Vince Lombardi the past 5 years in our matchups. Time to look in the mirror, excuses boy.

Projection? LOL. I'm not the one expending my mental energies trying to convince the world that we have more NFL draft picks than OSU yet are less talented and thus shouldn't be expected to win these games.

All the Ohio St fans like your posts but anything you that project on another poster that you have never met here is significantly more reflective of you than anyone else. That's because you are using YOUR lens to try to understand the posts of another.

 

[rrdd2021]

This guy has an inferiority complex that makes Notre Damers look reasonable. Always some ready-made excuse for why other programs have the edge on us. It's never about the fact that our coaching staff has repeatedly bungled opportunities to win program-changing big games or develop positions of need.

Those two mind-blowing, late double digit, 4th quarter lead collapses against OSU back around 2017 and 2018 (or thereabouts) come to mind. If PSU holds on and wins those games, who knows what today looks like especially with recruiting.

 

[voltz99]

A high 3 star but I thought this was a player we were counting on in the class.

A high 3 star but I thought this was a player we were counting on in the class.

Too small.

 

[lazydave841]

Those two mind-blowing, late double digit, 4th quarter lead collapses against OSU back around 2017 and 2018 (or thereabouts) come to mind. If PSU holds on and wins those games, who knows what today looks like especially with recruiting.

Similar to Michigan perhaps? 3 straight wins over the Buckeyes and they currently have the 41st rated class overall (give or take).

Ohio State is a machine. Beating them doesn't dent what they do.

 

[NittanyIllinois]

No. He was born on 3B and thinks he hit a triple. With the talent you have had over the last decade, you should have had Alabama/Georgia results.

Guy A is 5-0 against Guy B, and yet Edwardo takes Guy B. Hell, Franklin actually played Urban Meyer's teams tougher than he plays Ryan Day's teams.

Edwardo will always say that poor old James will never be able to muster up the talent that Day has (even though Edwardo pivoted to say PSU has more draft picks, which ironically undercuts his case).

But here's the fatal flaw in his "James is innocent of it all and has no responsibility for the losing streak to OSU" argument. James was actually recruiting at an elite level -- on par with OSU, even. And then the brain farts and massive chokes occurred. Recruiting momentum disappeared.

Funny how that works. Losing big games = losing recruiting momentum. Who would have thought?!?

So Edwardo will forever cling to his victim mentality of "we'll never have OSU talent" but ignore the fact that a part of that responsibility falls on OUR coaches. And why? Because it's easier to blame results on the refs, cheating, and the like.

Just don't point the finger at James. Nope. James is elite. More elite than the other guys. It's just that the cards are stacked against him......

 

[rrdd2021]

Similar to Michigan perhaps? 3 straight wins over the Buckeyes and they currently have the 41st rated class overall (give or take).

Ohio State is a machine. Beating them doesn't dent what they do.

Take a look at OSU's 2025 class. It's mind boggling (average per recruit). By far the best in the country.

Yeah, we've talked about the last 2-loss plus season going back to 2010 or 2011 and only 2 losing seasons since the early, mid 1960s but what makes all of that possible is their insane following.

I was on one of their sites around 3 or 4 months ago - I believe it was Eleven Warriors - that talked about one of their NIL partners (the Foundation) that was drawing money at that time from just ordinary, everyday working fans and they pulled in around $1.5 million in less than a week. Keep in mind, no businesses were involved. Ohio's population is somewhere around 12 million and probably 90% of them are fanatical Buckeye fans. They will not let that team fail - especially when it comes to money.

This is what the rest of the B1G is up against

 

[voltz99]

Guy A is 5-0 against Guy B, and yet Edwardo takes Guy B. Hell, Franklin actually played Urban Meyer's teams tougher than he plays Ryan Day's teams.

Edwardo will always say that poor old James will never be able to muster up the talent that Day has (even though Edwardo pivoted to say PSU has more draft picks, which ironically undercuts his case).

But here's the fatal flaw in his "James is innocent of it all and has no responsibility for the losing streak to OSU" argument. James was actually recruiting at an elite level -- on par with OSU, even. And then the brain farts and massive chokes occurred. Recruiting momentum disappeared.

Funny how that works. Losing big games = losing recruiting momentum. Who would have thought?!?

So Edwardo will forever cling to his victim mentality of "we'll never have OSU talent" but ignore the fact that a part of that responsibility falls on OUR coaches. And why? Because it's easier to blame results on the refs, cheating, and the like.

Just don't point the finger at James. Nope. James is elite. More elite than the other guys. It's just that the cards are stacked against him......

Did OSU lose recruiting momentum when they lost to Michigan three years in a row? Did Michigan's recruiting improve?

 

[rrdd2021]

Did OSU lose recruiting momentum when they lost to Michigan three years in a row? Did Michigan's recruiting improve?

To answer your question, this 2025 class could go down as OSU's highest rated class ever. They've been around that mind-boggling 95.00 average per recruit on the 247 Composite....many schools (75%) don't even get one recruit that high. And look at the monster Transfer Portal kids they just brought in. Michigan is lagging way behind this year after a NC. Go figure

 

[AWS1022]

Guy A is 5-0 against Guy B, and yet Edwardo takes Guy B. Hell, Franklin actually played Urban Meyer's teams tougher than he plays Ryan Day's teams.

Edwardo will always say that poor old James will never be able to muster up the talent that Day has (even though Edwardo pivoted to say PSU has more draft picks, which ironically undercuts his case).

But here's the fatal flaw in his "James is innocent of it all and has no responsibility for the losing streak to OSU" argument. James was actually recruiting at an elite level -- on par with OSU, even. And then the brain farts and massive chokes occurred. Recruiting momentum disappeared.

Funny how that works. Losing big games = losing recruiting momentum. Who would have thought?!?

So Edwardo will forever cling to his victim mentality of "we'll never have OSU talent" but ignore the fact that a part of that responsibility falls on OUR coaches. And why? Because it's easier to blame results on the refs, cheating, and the like.

Just don't point the finger at James. Nope. James is elite. More elite than the other guys. It's just that the cards are stacked against him......

Compared to OSU, the cards are actually stacked against James. Some on here don’t want to admit it, but OSU is far ahead of PSU in football and it goes way beyond the coaches.

 

[Westcoast24]

No. He was born on 3B and thinks he hit a triple. With the talent you have had over the last decade, you should have had Alabama/Georgia results.

Wait. So now I’m an OSU fan?

 

[PSU4U]

He doesn't produce them. They commit to play for him. When you get 3 top 100 at any position WRs per year including a number of #1 WRs in the country, a handful are going to be drafted in the 1st round. That would be true no matter which school they've signed with.

The problem is that some (even 1st rounders) get run off there or never get their chance to shine. Jameson Winston was one who had to leave to get his shot. He only was selected as 1st team AA OVER the Ohio St WRs that he was going to play behind and then went in the 1st round. Julian Fleming would be a household name across the country and perhaps in the NFL draft last year had he stayed home at PSU instead of going to Ohio St.

And had Julian Fleming stayed healthy which he wasn't but now is, good for us.

 

[rrdd2021]

And had Julian Fleming stayed healthy which he wasn't but now is, good for us.

That was a huge pickup for PSU. If Fleming can ever stay healthy over an extended period of time, watch out. The talent and experience is there

 

[SLion]

Compared to OSU, the cards are actually stacked against James. Some on here don’t want to admit it, but OSU is far ahead of PSU in football and it goes way beyond the coaches.

Given JFs record against anyone with a pulse, I would say it is coaching. The losses have been excruciating at points. Anyone watching sees the boneheaded calls and laughable schemes in big games, It all starts with OL which he has never taken seriously. We have never, ever had a great one under JF. UM cranked them out for three years and OSU for two decades.

 

[Dynoman]

Those two mind-blowing, late double digit, 4th quarter lead collapses against OSU back around 2017 and 2018 (or thereabouts) come to mind. If PSU holds on and wins those games, who knows what today looks like especially with recruiting.

Theoretically we collapsed against them last year. It was pretty amazing we were even on that game at all . OSU just had the horses ……again . I personally think James is gonna beat OSU , just a really illogical hunch by me .

 

[AWS1022]

Given JFs record against anyone with a pulse, I would say it is coaching. The losses have been excruciating at points. Anyone watching sees the boneheaded calls and laughable schemes in big games, It all starts with OL which he has never taken seriously. We have never, ever had a great one under JF. UM cranked them out for three years and OSU for two decades.

You mean the record against teams where PSU was an underdog? Pretty much like all coaches.

 

[voltz99]

Given JFs record against anyone with a pulse, I would say it is coaching. The losses have been excruciating at points. Anyone watching sees the boneheaded calls and laughable schemes in big games, It all starts with OL which he has never taken seriously. We have never, ever had a great one under JF. UM cranked them out for three years and OSU for two decades.

Why do you pick him to go 12-0 every year?