NYT: Larry Nassar is a Familiar Monster article

[Obliviax]

very good article, replete with a mischaracterization of Joe's activities (complete with a link to a 2012 article) linking monsters like JS and Nassar.

Putting the poor research done on Paterno aside, a good article.

Having said that: I don't know why these writers do nothing in regard to addressing the challenges organizations have in realizing they have a child-predator in their midst. The article mentions Penn State, Michigan State, the Roman Catholic Church, The Boy Scouts of America.....why can they not see that all of these cases involve very good people who were fooled and are victims in and of themselves? Why is it that these articles suggest that people at PSU, MSU, RCC, BSA are all criminal elements who purposely covered up?

Until we can get past that, until we can understand that these good guy pedophiles are very good at what they do, until these people in authority build profiles, unearth red flags, install best practices for prevention....until we can admit that many people being burned and scotched were victims as well, we are sentencing ourselves to having to read these kinds of sunday morning articles for several more decades.

Sorry for the rant. I just don't understand why this writer, and just about all of the other writers, go down the path of demonizing these organizations when they are clearly victims too.

 

[LundyPSU]

very good article, replete with a mischaracterization of Joe's activities (complete with a link to a 2012 article) linking monsters like JS and Nassar.

Putting the poor research done on Paterno, a good article.

Having said that: I don't know why these writers do nothing in regard to addressing the challenges organizations have in realizing they have a child-predator in their midst. The article mentions Penn State, Michigan State, the Roman Catholic Church, The Boy Scouts of America.....why can they not see that all of these cases involve very good people who were fooled and are victims in and of themselves? Why is it that these articles suggest that people at PSU, MSU, RCC, BSA are all criminal elements who purposely covered up?

Until we can get past that, until we can understand that these good guy pedophiles are very good at what they do, until these people in authority build profiles, unearth red flags, install best practices for prevention....until we can admit that many people being burned and scotched were victims as well, we are sentencing ourselves to having to read these kinds of sunday morning articles for several more decades.

Sorry for the rant. I just don't understand why this writer, and just about all of the other writers, go down the path of demonizing these organizations when they are clearly victims too.

Agree with you. Read this article last night. It's ok. But, anything that references the opinions of the Freeh Report makes me really question the author.

 

[massimoManca II]

When will people become enlightened to the gift that Sue gave the world in the form of the Clemente Report?

In his admission that - with the benefit if hindsight, more would have been done - the Paternos actually did more by commissioning the Clemente Report... alas, the gift seems to sit there unwrapped but unused.

 

[Obliviax]

Agree with you. Read this article last night. It's ok. But, anything that references the opinions of the Freeh Report makes me really question the author.

Yep....my point is that there is now a very clear pattern: Good people who are otherwise very charitable, are fooled and ruined. i haven't seen a good article on this from a prominent writer yet. All people want is to burn down the house and everyone in it because some sick creep fooled them.

 

[LundyPSU]

Yep....my point is that there is now a very clear pattern: Good people who are otherwise very charitable, are fooled and ruined. i haven't seen a good article on this from a prominent writer yet. All people want is to burn down the house and everyone in it because some sick creep fooled them.

Agree. I have had a few of these conversations in the past few weeks. Point fingers, fire people, conduct fake investigations, pay lawsuits and fines, problem fixed. Right? People just want blood. Until people can exercise patience and critical thinking to understand these perpetrators, this will never change.

 

[wensilver]

Just a reminder that Louis Freeh enabled a Pedophile. I know it’s a hyperlative - but it fits. Feel free to share.

bit.ly/2Ei3bN8

 

[Obliviax]

Agree. I have had a few of these conversations in the past few weeks. Point fingers, fire people, conduct fake investigations, pay lawsuits and fines, problem fixed. Right? People just want blood. Until people can exercise patience and critical thinking to understand these perpetrators, this will never change.

I am watching the Netflix show named "Mindhunter", a true story:

Set in 1977 – in the early days of criminal psychology and criminal profiling at the Federal Bureau of Investigation – Mindhunter revolves around FBI agents Holden Ford (Jonathan Groff) and Bill Tench (Holt McCallany), along with psychologist Wendy Carr (Anna Torv), who interview imprisoned serial killers in order to understand how they think with the hope of applying this knowledge to solving ongoing cases. - wiki
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The first few episodes are these guys trying to "sell" police forces on the psychology of murderers; that there is a pattern. They are often ridiculed and derided. The ridicule is understandable because the cops just want to kill sickos and get them off the street. Of course, the mindhunters end up finding patterns that allow them to avoid issues. These 1977 cops, in their crappy cars and outdated clothes (not to mention attitudes) come off as being weird and creepy.

It really reminds me of this. If you talk about analysis, you come off as some kind of sympathizer. In the end, we have to surrender to the fact that there are a ton of monsters out there, and the best of the best (or worst) create abuse factories like JS and Nassar. Instead of grandstanding, lets have a discussion. I was really disappointed in the judge grandstanding. She had an awesome platform to lay the foundation of what is going on and what needs to be done to prevent it. Instead, she took the easy way out. Reminded me of Judge Lito lining up the clocks people sent to him during the OJ trial.

Just ranting...sorry.

 

[PSUinCali]

very good article, replete with a mischaracterization of Joe's activities (complete with a link to a 2012 article) linking monsters like JS and Nassar.

Putting the poor research done on Paterno aside, a good article.

Having said that: I don't know why these writers do nothing in regard to addressing the challenges organizations have in realizing they have a child-predator in their midst. The article mentions Penn State, Michigan State, the Roman Catholic Church, The Boy Scouts of America.....why can they not see that all of these cases involve very good people who were fooled and are victims in and of themselves? Why is it that these articles suggest that people at PSU, MSU, RCC, BSA are all criminal elements who purposely covered up?

Until we can get past that, until we can understand that these good guy pedophiles are very good at what they do, until these people in authority build profiles, unearth red flags, install best practices for prevention....until we can admit that many people being burned and scotched were victims as well, we are sentencing ourselves to having to read these kinds of sunday morning articles for several more decades.

Sorry for the rant. I just don't understand why this writer, and just about all of the other writers, go down the path of demonizing these organizations when they are clearly victims too.

So agree with you...

 

[kentuckycb]

very good article, replete with a mischaracterization of Joe's activities (complete with a link to a 2012 article) linking monsters like JS and Nassar.

Putting the poor research done on Paterno aside, a good article.

Having said that: I don't know why these writers do nothing in regard to addressing the challenges organizations have in realizing they have a child-predator in their midst. The article mentions Penn State, Michigan State, the Roman Catholic Church, The Boy Scouts of America.....why can they not see that all of these cases involve very good people who were fooled and are victims in and of themselves? Why is it that these articles suggest that people at PSU, MSU, RCC, BSA are all criminal elements who purposely covered up?

Until we can get past that, until we can understand that these good guy pedophiles are very good at what they do, until these people in authority build profiles, unearth red flags, install best practices for prevention....until we can admit that many people being burned and scotched were victims as well, we are sentencing ourselves to having to read these kinds of sunday morning articles for several more decades.

Sorry for the rant. I just don't understand why this writer, and just about all of the other writers, go down the path of demonizing these organizations when they are clearly victims too.

Because demonizing sells...”We love to cut you down to size. We love dirty laundry.” -Don Henley

 

[rumble_lion]

very good article, replete with a mischaracterization of Joe's activities (complete with a link to a 2012 article) linking monsters like JS and Nassar.

Putting the poor research done on Paterno aside, a good article.

Having said that: I don't know why these writers do nothing in regard to addressing the challenges organizations have in realizing they have a child-predator in their midst. The article mentions Penn State, Michigan State, the Roman Catholic Church, The Boy Scouts of America.....why can they not see that all of these cases involve very good people who were fooled and are victims in and of themselves? Why is it that these articles suggest that people at PSU, MSU, RCC, BSA are all criminal elements who purposely covered up?

Until we can get past that, until we can understand that these good guy pedophiles are very good at what they do, until these people in authority build profiles, unearth red flags, install best practices for prevention....until we can admit that many people being burned and scotched were victims as well, we are sentencing ourselves to having to read these kinds of sunday morning articles for several more decades.

Sorry for the rant. I just don't understand why this writer, and just about all of the other writers, go down the path of demonizing these organizations when they are clearly victims too.

People need to rationalize it in way that makes them feel safe from something like this happening to them. It happened at PSU, MSU, etc. because bad people didn't stop it. It can't happen to my kids/family/friends because my school, church, organization, etc. only has good people that would stop it.

It's scary for people to think something like like this could hit home for them so they come up with a reason why those situations are different from their own. Everyone wants to feel like they have some control.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

People need to rationalize it in way that makes them feel safe from something like this happening to them. It happened at PSU, MSU, etc. because bad people didn't stop it. It can't happen to my kids/family/friends because my school, church, organization, etc. only has good people that would stop it.

It's scary for people to think something like like this could hit home for them so they come up with a reason why those situations are different from their own. Everyone wants to feel like they have some control.

Partly true, but take a good look at both. One a Doctor and the other a Saint of a man helping children out for his charity. Decades of grooming communities and making sure everyone knows how great they were. It's not just about good people or bad people turning them in, it's about educating people on how they work so if a kid says something isn't right that people do come forward. The blame game is the easy part, the educating and prevention is where it is much harder. I'm not sure "bad" people didn't stop it....I think good people may not have stopped it because they either believed the freaks or second guessed themselves. Had Simon at MSU spent less time tossing stones 6 years ago and learning from what occurred with Jerry, maybe they get that POS Nasser sooner.

 

[cavic]

I agree, it was generally a pretty good piece but the Joepa line was a fatal flaw.

I wrote a letter to the editor on that point. So far, I received no response to suggest that it will be printed


QUOTE="Obliviax, post: 3278237, member: 1414"]very good article, replete with a mischaracterization of Joe's activities (complete with a link to a 2012 article) linking monsters like JS and Nassar.

 

[indynittany]

Partly true, but take a good look at both. One a Doctor and the other a Saint of a man helping children out for his charity. Decades of grooming communities and making sure everyone knows how great they were. It's not just about good people or bad people turning them in, it's about educating people on how they work so if a kid says something isn't right that people do come forward. The blame game is the easy part, the educating and prevention is where it is much harder. I'm not sure "bad" people didn't stop it....I think good people may not have stopped it because they either believed the freaks or second guessed themselves. Had Simon at MSU spent less time tossing stones 6 years ago and learning from what occurred with Jerry, maybe they get that POS Nasser sooner.

Very good post!

Nobody learned from Jerry because instead of the focal point being Jerry and TSM, it was Joe Paterno and Penn State. And to make that narrative stick, the OAG intentionally lied about what had been reported and then assigned them a motive that was totally out of character and completely unsubstantiated. And to this day, Penn State has declined to set the record straight.

I hope people read what Wendy wrote.

 

[NewEra 2014]

I don't know why these writers do nothing in regard to addressing the challenges organizations have in realizing they have a child-predator in their midst. The article mentions Penn State, Michigan State, the Roman Catholic Church, The Boy Scouts of America.....why can they not see that all of these cases involve very good people who were fooled and are victims in and of themselves?

You know, I think these predators gravitate towards good people and good organizations. Someone like JVP couldn't conceive of someone doing the things that Sandusky did. A predator like Nasser found a target-rich environment of young girls and women who are in a high-pressure athletic activity and are not likely to push back on whatever medical treatment the US gymnastics organization or MSU is telling them to do. There are plenty of good people in the church and the Boy Scouts who are conditioned to look for the best in people, and so would never suspect a pedophile in their midst. And on it goes.

Unfortunately, what it takes is for people to become a little more cynical about people's motives, so that these predators aren't able to hide in plain sight. As a parent, you really can't trust anyone anymore. I guess you have to view the world through the eyes of a crusty old BWI message board poster.

 

[Cosmos]

very good article, replete with a mischaracterization of Joe's activities (complete with a link to a 2012 article) linking monsters like JS and Nassar.

Putting the poor research done on Paterno aside, a good article.

Having said that: I don't know why these writers do nothing in regard to addressing the challenges organizations have in realizing they have a child-predator in their midst. The article mentions Penn State, Michigan State, the Roman Catholic Church, The Boy Scouts of America.....why can they not see that all of these cases involve very good people who were fooled and are victims in and of themselves? Why is it that these articles suggest that people at PSU, MSU, RCC, BSA are all criminal elements who purposely covered up?

Until we can get past that, until we can understand that these good guy pedophiles are very good at what they do, until these people in authority build profiles, unearth red flags, install best practices for prevention....until we can admit that many people being burned and scotched were victims as well, we are sentencing ourselves to having to read these kinds of sunday morning articles for several more decades.

Sorry for the rant. I just don't understand why this writer, and just about all of the other writers, go down the path of demonizing these organizations when they are clearly victims too.

Just a shot in the dark Obli, but IMO sensationalism sells and what better than bringing down the powerful. Add to it the element of jealousy over the way JoePa did things ‘the right way’ and you’ve given an arsonist all the accelerant he needs to burn that b@tch down.

People want it. The press fills the need.

 

[Obliviax]

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yikes. if only....

this not only comes down to our BOT but our prosecutors that simply made shit up as they went along. I wish them nothing but the worst.

 

[ChiTownLion]

 

[91Joe95]

When will people become enlightened to the gift that Sue gave the world in the form of the Clemente Report?

In his admission that - with the benefit if hindsight, more would have been done - the Paternos actually did more by commissioning the Clemente Report... alas, the gift seems to sit there unwrapped but unused.

Worse, it was and still is actively belittled by the BOT, NCAA, big 10, and the media.

 

[PSUSignore]

When will people become enlightened to the gift that Sue gave the world in the form of the Clemente Report?

In his admission that - with the benefit if hindsight, more would have been done - the Paternos actually did more by commissioning the Clemente Report... alas, the gift seems to sit there unwrapped but unused.

It's amusing that people will discredit the Clemente Report, saying it was paid for by the Paternos so of course it's biased. But those same people will disagree if you try to say that the Freeh report is biased because it was paid for by the BOT.