Well, that’s where we differ. I’m fine with where we are. Just a lucky break or two away from being in the CFP a few times and winning 11 games three out of every five or six seasons….sign me up.
Observation: Almost all negative posts blaming/calling out CJF since yesterday
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In another thread, someone stated that I was delusional for making the case that PSU skill position starters and DB's are comparable to the top 5 teams even though the PSU OL, DL, and 2nd string personnel are certainly not comparable...yes the team still should have beaten Illinois, but if those fellow posters are correct that PSU has no players of that caliber, then how can the case be made that the team is underachieving overall?
Perhaps the delusion is instead thinking that Penn State still recruits for itself and that another coach would attract the same level of talent and could just tweak a few things on gameday...I wish wholeheartedly that were true, but evidence suggests otherwise and the fact that the program recruits relatively well and is relevant is a direct result of the (albeit admittedly imperfect but largely positive and successful) leadership of CJF.
Perhaps the delusion is instead thinking that Penn State still recruits for itself and that another coach would attract the same level of talent and could just tweak a few things on gameday...I wish wholeheartedly that were true, but evidence suggests otherwise and the fact that the program recruits relatively well and is relevant is a direct result of the (albeit admittedly imperfect but largely positive and successful) leadership of CJF.
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You'd take 4,7,10,3,7,10,4,6,10,6 in a heartbeat but 7*,7*,11,11,9,11,4* is unacceptable? Done with your trolling.
Facts no longer matter. Like the idiot that said Franklin had 0 top 15 wins.
Franklin also kicks puppies and punches babies and has a full sized joepa cutout in his office that he uses as a dartboard.
This reminds me of PSU basketball coach apologists always harping on how the next coach won't do as well. Micah Shrewsbury will prove them wrong and our next coach in football will do the same.
Any interest in putting money on your 6-6? You seem emphatic. I will take 7 or more
But all the posts I read say he should be 9-3 at a minimum just with the talent PSU brings in, so let’s keep it consistent if we get a new guy.
The next coach in football has to improve upon three 11 win seasons in six years and top recruiting classes….not anywhere close to the same as PSU basketball. Getting to the dance once every 8 years is a bit different than being expected to win a NC.
The longer we are out of National Championship contention, the less likely it is we will ever be in contention. The Penn State brand continually loses value. This isn’t a post blaming Franklin. It’s just a fact of the way the system works now. It’s why the SEC schools fire coaches a couple of years after winning National Championships. It’s just sad to see the state of college football and where we are vs where we were at one time.
A list
*1.Matt Rhule NFL Panthers
2.Luke Fickell Cincinnati
3.Matt Campbell Iowa State
B list lower level head coaches
Dave Doeren NC State
Dave Aranda Baylor
Dave Clawson Wake Forest
Jamey Chadwell Coastal Carolina
Lance Leipold Kansas
Billy Napier Louisiana
Jeff Hafley Boston College
Jay Norvell Nevada
*Charles Huff Marshall
Scott Satterfield Louisville
Current offensive and defensive coordinators
*Joe Brady NFL Panthers
Eric Bienemy NFL Chiefs
*Mike Yurcich
*Brent Pry
Marcus Freeman Note Dame
Tony Elliot Clemson
Alex Grinch Oklahoma
Dan Lanning Georgia
*Josh Gattis Michigan
former head coaches
Tom Herman
*BOB
Doug Pedersen
*Joe Moorhead
Doug Marrone
*Al Golden
*Mike Munchak
Nick Rolovich
*BOB
*= PSU ties
You know what I'm saying is true. He is lousy in clutch games, that's what matters. Deal with it.
I don’t have to deal with anything. It’s entertainment at the end of the day, like being disappointed in a movie from a director you typically like. Anyone who has to “deal” needs to see someone.
Oh please…the end game was complete and utter domination of CFB that continues to this day…yes, I would endure that if the end game is current Bama
Reading is hard for you, I know, but the post wasn’t about Saban, it was about 4,7,10,3,7,10,4,6,10,6 wins before Saban and you said you’d take that….and I said we have better than that now. Sure, everyone would take 10 years with two double digit win seasons, no championships, three losing seasons and two five hundred seasons if they knew Nick Saban was at the end of that….but Saban won’t be.
Is the next guy going to have to deal with heavy sanctions? I think 7-6 in back to back sanction years is pretty remarkable. But nice try.
Many of these posters are only familiar with the recent history of Bama. they don't remember the Ray Perkins, Mike Dubose, Franchinoe, or Mike Shula years. Franklin's record is better than all of those and that was with the fraudulent sanction years.
And they just know that if we keep changing coaches every three years, we will eventually end up with the next Nick Saban. Maybe they should focus their energy on getting Bama’s university President and AD instead of their coach.
Or their OL coach or their boosters/bag men or any of the former college and NFL football coaches that accumulate down there like the football version of the Betty Ford clinic.
And they’re able to do that because their university is all in on being a football powerhouse.
Absofreakinlutely and thats all of the SEC with exception of Vandy.
Nothing against Venables but he has been approached about head coaching jobs a number of times in the past and has always declined. Don’t think he wants to be a head coach.
No it is an example of no results from what we did.
We are a one dimensional team with a Corp of running backs who had potential and have been slowed down or canceled by injuries.
Our portal transfer has been injured and shows little promise of being the answer.
With Clifford limited by his injury we were easy.
Yet we moved the ball early and put up points. The missed field goal was key(in my opinion).
A made field goal forces Illinois to play differently.
That being said we gave up 10 points in regulation, lovets of yds but very few points.
My underlying question is why so many injuries every year.
Is conditioning program with its seeming emphasis on big weight lifts a problem for players feet ankles and knees?
Do you have proof that our injuries are greater than the average program? I’m guessing they are not
Regardless of where I am on the spectrum of "Fire Franklin" <--> "Reward him with whatever he wants", seems hard to say for sure that we wouldn't have strong candidates applying if the position became open. But it's a big risk (as AWS points out).
Hypothetically, I wonder if there would be any behind-the-scenes discussions between potential suitors and someone at PSU to explore interest before officially opening it.
Hypothetically, I wonder if there would be any behind-the-scenes discussions between potential suitors and someone at PSU to explore interest before officially opening it.
Excellent question. I have never seen so many guys cramping and nagging type injuries that cause them to go out come back in and then go out again as I have this year.
BOB left before the reality of the sanctions and recruiting limits hit.
He did have to deal with the raiding of our team though.
My reading comprehension is just fine…it is your inability to articulate a cogent point. I said I would take that if I knew we would end up with Saban (-like results).
I would happily settle for much short of Saban and we would still be ahead of the game.
News flash, we ain’t getting Saban like results unless other changes are made besides a coach. And we already have short of Saban and not by as much as you seem to think.
