If they're asking a question about conspiracy, then it sounds as if they're deciding guilty on the other counts, no?
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If they're asking a question about conspiracy, then it sounds as if they're deciding guilty on the other counts, no?
The smart people get weeded out in jury selection, on purpose. This is going to be a guilty verdict.
Part of "what"
I have NO SPIN
All these past two days have done is reinforced that he did exactly what he should have
Sorry if that bothers you
You may agree to disagree but the picture and Mike's actions in the years subsequent to 2001 call into question what he reported to Paterno/C/S.
Mike wants us to believe that he saw Sandusky committing a sexual assault and then agreed to socialize with him. That's a tough sell.
The conspiracy question if posed as Charlie Tuna suggests, bodes well for GS imho. Conspiracy is defined as "a secret plan made by 2 or more people to do something that is harmful or illegal". There's no evidence GS made an agreement to commit a crime. Perhaps a crime resulted vis a vis sketchy V5 as a result of CSS action. But that's not the definition of conspiracy. Depends on how Judge answers the question
Probably, but unfortunately the reverse isn't true. They wouldn't be asking about conspiracy if they haven't made up their minds on EWOC. Agree?
Agreed. They seem to be fishing for an excuse to find GS guilty of conspiracy even thought it is clear that nobody hid anything, told anyone to hide anything, & reported outside the University.
It doesn't sound good at all.
I honestly don't get. The state didn't prove their case from what I've seen. Check that, they didn't even make a case as far as I can tell.
I'm of the opinion that Spanier hasn't been truthful about what he knew and when (1998), but that doesn't mean it's ok to ignore the law.
You can be guilty of conspiracy and not commit the crime. Except for something that requires inaction.
This isn't a surprise, but it's still unbelievable considering the shit that the prosecution threw up against the wall. What a country in which we live. Shameful.
I'm sure they will appeal even if they find GS not guilty of conspiracy but guilty of EWOC.
Let's be frank. They all screwed up. Who said what to who on a certain day is just extraneous
BS. Not only did they screw up but they've admitted it. I believe they all are/were sorry for turning a blind
eye. But you can't turn back the clock and they have all paid a price.
Ego?
Superiority?
Too much time in an Echo Chamber?
I can think of a whole slew of reasons "why" they would........ but no matter the "reason why", the act was INCREDIBLY stupid - no matter what the final verdict may be
You can try and state things as fact as much as you want to. We now know these men were all ware of a prior investigation and had discussions on what to do. 4 days ago people were still denying Joe was "coach" in the emails. Well he was. He and Curley also had some type of discussion on this case and somehow Tim decided not to make a call.
Some people will have the opinion Joe's conversation may have played a part. Others will deny it completely. Unless Tim decides to clarify it, we may never know. Discounting opinions without proper evidence is fun to do on this site, but it doesn't make things so. Yes he did the right thing in telling Tim, but he should have followed up on the side of caution or stayed the hell out of it. He at least showed remorse immediately and handled the BS way they kicked him out the door with class. Sadly that one decision not to call the DPW by Tim was the wrong one. He didn't do it with malice or deception, but the torches were already burning as soon as this was leaked.
What's your address again?
I forgot to make note of it - - - and I want to mail a loaded handgun to your spouse
All includes the TSM, CYS, and all the other professionals who had as much information & more than the PSU admins. JS groomed an entire community.
You never really know, but one could argue those particular questions are good signs. At least some jurors see that the facts don't meet the elements of the law....
good...if its a guilty verdict which im suspecting...hopefully this gets released on a friday afternoon and fades away
Wait. Pennoyer has a picture of MM and Sandusky together in a public outing (charity football game I presume ) after he shower incident ?
Isn't George Zimmerman from Florida?What's your address again?
I forgot to make note of it - - - and I want to mail a loaded handgun to your spouse
At least there's still a remedy if it goes the wrong way.
I surely hope it doesn't. The burden is on the state for good reason. Playing on emotions, and not even attempting to make a legal argument, is pretty much the antithesis of what our system was founded on.
How do we know he didn't stay out of it? Joe certainly framed his role as staying out of the way. Maybe he was just a sounding board for Curley and made clear that it was not his decision to make as football coach....
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