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Official Graham Spanier trial thread.

I'm still a little confused as to why they opted out of calling even a single witness? I would've thought input from the FBI would've especially driven home the point that there was no conspiracy.
Because the prosecution failed to make a legal argument for conviction.

Nothing they did would allow a jury to find him guilty based on the law. Even if a guilty verdict is returned it will be overturned.
 
New what? That Sandusky was being investigate - perhaps nothing else.

You make things up about Joe all the time, so everyone else can to. You act as if Joe should have been onmipotent while everyone else gets a pass. Your act has gotten old.
Name one thing I made up about Joe. Name one. Since I do it all the time, it should be easy. You're a GD liar apparently.
 
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Because others failed.

Because the media wanted ratings, not the truth.

He didn't, he said "with the benefit of hindsight...."

Any intelligent person knows you are wrong.

you are so transparent, take your agenda elsewhere. We don't want your crazy spin.

I believe George Carlin said it best~

“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.”
 
I'm still a little confused as to why they opted out of calling even a single witness? I would've thought input from the FBI would've especially driven home the point that there was no conspiracy.

I think ultimately that the defense felt that the strongest statement they could make was to suggest that the prosecution didn't even make a case so they had nothing to refute.
 
LaJolla at it again tonight!!

Still waiting for him to tell me what Joe knew about 98. . .
Wait until he gets really frustrated and starts throwing around the "c" word. I just noticed, with his STFU reference, that he's getting close to the edge
 
If he did exactly as he should have, why did Sandusky roam central Pennsylvania
molesting young boys for eight more years? Why is he now a pariah whose statue
is buried in some cubbyhole? Why did he say he should have done more? Any intelligent
person knows he didn't do "exactly as he should have".
Simple thoughts for simple minds...such as one looking through a 2011-17 lens (aka hindsight). Takes the ability to think critically about some(any)thing to view it in any other capacity.
 
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Walter,

You're a crazy old coot. Do you want to share with this board why 50 years ago (at your late father's great disappointment) you got "rejected" by PSU Admissions?

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Ohhhhhh story time!! Do tell

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LOL, I noticed you STFU last night when nobody backed you up. Nobody. He knew Jerry was investigated and you denied it. LOL

Old men shouldn't be using terms like "STFU".

No, I knew it was past your bed time. Told you to get your sleep, take your Geritol, and answer me in the morning. No answer came.

Still haven't shown me concrete evidence that he knew. Even if I concede that he knew, you STILL haven't told me what he knew. Which I'm still waiting on. . .

Tick. .Tock. . .
 
Wait. Pennoyer has a picture of MM and Sandusky together in a public outing (charity football game I presume ) after he shower incident ?

That's my understanding. Google: Sandusky Mcqueary flag football....though the blog entry does have the wrong date for the shower incident so I'm not sure of the charity event date.
 
It has to be unanamous, right? If only 1 person thinks he's innocent, it's a hung jury and they have a second trial. I wonder if could choose a trial by judge next time?
It would be pretty rare to have a second trial

In this case, I would be SHOCKED if the State held a second trial in the wake of a mistrial...... I've certainly been shocked before


In any event - - I doubt that a "mistrial" (hung jury) is going to present itself.
 
Old men shouldn't be using terms like "STFU".

No, I knew it was past your bed time. Told you to get your sleep, take your Geritol, and answer me in the morning. No answer came.

Still haven't shown me concrete evidence that he knew. Even if I concede that he knew, you STILL haven't told me what he knew. Which I'm still waiting on. . .

Tick. .Tock. . .
Beep, beep,beep. Backing it up tonight I see. Smart move. We don't know what he knew, but we do know he was coach in the emails and they at least had a discussion on the topic. High level or low level, we don't know.

I didn't say he knew anything other than he was aware of the investigation. Go ahead and quote any post from last night where I said he knew all of the details. NOBODY knows as TC did not go into detail there. I know what I said go find this stuff you are making up and quote it. It should be easy enough for you to find. Back it up now.
 
Beep, beep,beep. Backing it up tonight I see. Smart move. We don't know what he knew, but we do know he was coach in the emails and they at least had a discussion on the topic. High level or low level, we don't know.

I didn't say he knew anything other than he was aware of the investigation. Go ahead and quote any post from last night where I said what he knew all of the details. NOBODY knows as TC did not go into detail there. I know what I said go find this stuff you are making up and quote it. It should be easy enough for you to find. Back itbup now.

Not backing up. EXACT questions I asked you last night. Still waiting for your answers. . .

Tick . . .tock. . .
 
There are experts in the field of turning a blind eye? I'll leave it at that.

Yes, Jack Raykovitz, mandatory reporter, head of the 2nd Mile providing Sandusky access to victims turned a blind eye. There is the ultimate failure. After 5.5 years I am tired of hearing your ilk spew senseless crap. Welcome to ignore. The rest of the circle jerk crowd will join you if you they haven't made this list already. Should have done it years ago to the bunch of you. Adios!
 
If he did exactly as he should have, why did Sandusky roam central Pennsylvania
molesting young boys for eight more years? Why is he now a pariah whose statue
is buried in some cubbyhole? Why did he say he should have done more? Any intelligent
person knows he didn't do "exactly as he should have".
You gonna' send me that address? Or do I gotta' ask one of those "snoopy tech guys" for a favor?
 
It would be pretty rare to have a second trial

In this case, I would be SHOCKED if the State held a second trial in the wake of a mistrial...... I've certainly been shocked before


In any event - - I doubt that a "mistrial" (hung jury) is going to present itself.
Why? What do you think's going to happen? I can't believe they'd be unanimous to convict with no evidence.
 
Beep, beep,beep. Backing it up tonight I see. Smart move. We don't know what he knew, but we do know he was coach in the emails and they at least had a discussion on the topic. High level or low level, we don't know.

I didn't say he knew anything other than he was aware of the investigation. Go ahead and quote any post from last night where I said he knew all of the details. NOBODY knows as TC did not go into detail there. I know what I said go find this stuff you are making up and quote it. It should be easy enough for you to find. Back it up now.

Was it confirmed in Curley's testimony that Paterno is in fact the "anxious" coach? (second email) The Penn Live article was specifically unclear on that point.
 
Your analogy is terrible.

If someone leads an exemplary life for 60 years and then is told a watered down version of someone potentially abusing their wife... yes he should get the benefit of the doubt.
He slumped in his chair, putting his face in his hands when told. He became very upset, and reported the conversation.
 
That's my understanding. Google: Sandusky Mcqueary flag football....though the blog entry does have the wrong date for the shower incident so I'm not sure of the charity event date.
Well - Tribeck cracked the f$cking case then!!!!!!

Three years on the BOT and we get a pic of MM playing football.

What more could we ask for?
 
So now you admit he knew. Thanks. It took you long enough. Read Tim's transcripts whey they are published. It will end your waiting.

Old man, I never admitted he knew. Learn to read.

You mean the trial transcripts where the prosecutor iin her closing statement said that Tim Curley, a PROSECUTION witness, was "untruthful 90 percent of the time"???

You hanging your hat that your claim falls in the 10% truth category?? On what basis?

lol, old man. Go to bed.

Still waiting. Tick. . .tock. . .
 
Yep calling the only 2 witnesses who can connect GS to the crime crimainals and liars is a great strategy.
How bad was the work of Defense Counsel?

If the State had no F-ing case.......

And the State's lead prosecutor was a complete idiot ......

And the Jury is spending two days (at least) deliberating one charge (plus a misdemeanor)?


Maybe the decision by the Defense Counsel - to take the week of the trial off - was even worse than Ditka's handling of the witnesses she DID call?
 
Well - Tribeck cracked the f$cking case then!!!!!!

Three years on the BOT and we get a pic of MM playing football.

What more could we ask for?

Well, a picture of McQ with Sandusky after the 2001 incident is pretty significant, no?
 
So now you admit he knew. Thanks. It took you long enough. Read Tim's transcripts whey they are published. It will end your waiting.
And now we also know Joe had nothing to do with changing the "plan." WE were told by Freeh he changed the plan. Joe's dead. Perhaps 10-15 years later he didn't remember correctly if he knew about 98 or not. Tim also said neither joe nor time knew any details about 98.
What we do know is joe did his best to follow protocol and set the gutless turn Mike to report whatever he saw.
He's been disgracefully inserted into this story as some main cog for six years. Move on. Joe has nothing to do with js or how anything was handled.
He never wanted Tsm kids around. If the idiots listened to him we wouldn't be talking about this.
 
Good grief. It's called a hypothetical, he's not saying it's a fact.
Read what they responded to. It may clear things up.
Old man, I never admitted he knew. Learn to read.

You mean the trial transcripts where the prosecutor iin her closing statement said that Tim Curley, a PROSECUTION witness, was "untruthful 90 percent of the time"???

You hanging your hat that your claim falls in the 10% truth category?? On what basis?

lol, old man. Go to bed.

Still waiting. Tick. . .tock. . .
You can keep waiting. He knew about the investigation and you can deny it. Do your own homework and prove he didn't know. The emails don't lie and you can keep denying it. It's what delusional people do. You're guess on my age is another bad one unless you're still a kid. Well that is kind of a given I guess. If you are that young and arguing this crap instead of being out, it also says a lot more.
 
Well, a picture of McQ with Sandusky after the 2001 incident is pretty significant, no?
Uh.... the answer would be "No"


But more importantly - if this is the key contribution of the guy who:

- Told Lubert that I supported him, and wanted him to be my leader

- Who told Dambly "Here ya' go - take as much of our money as you want"

- Who told Dicky Dandrea "Yep - you da' boss....those pesky Alumni ain't got no rights"


Etc etc etc - I don't really care if he has pics of Elvis landing on the moon.
 
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And now we also know Joe had nothing to do with changing the "plan." WE were told by Freeh he changed the plan. Joe's dead. Perhaps 10-15 years later he didn't remember correctly if he knew about 98 or not. Tim also said neither joe nor time knew any details about 98.
What we do know is joe did his best to follow protocol and set the gutless turn Mike to report whatever he saw.
He's been disgracefully inserted into this story as some main cog for six years. Move on. Joe has nothing to do with js or how anything was handled.
He never wanted Tsm kids around. If the idiots listened to him we wouldn't be talking about this.
We were also told he never knew of any prior investigation. That was false. What he knew or said is unknown. What part of that statement is false? If you say none, then you now understand what I'm saying. There is no attack on Joe there but some people sure are offended by it for some reason.
 
I think ultimately that the defense felt that the strongest statement they could make was to suggest that the prosecution didn't even make a case so they had nothing to refute.
Which was - when combined with their refusal to cross examine the State's witnesses (ESPECIALLY Schultz - who gave the jury everything they need to convict on EWOC) INCREDIBLY - BEWILDERINGLY stupid.
 
Uh.... the answer would be "No"


But more importantly - if this is the key contribution of the guy who:

- Told Lubert that I supported him, and wanted him to be my leader

- Who told Dambly "Here ya' go - take as much of our money as you want"

- Who told Dicky Dandrea "Yep - you da' boss....those pesky Alumni ain't got no rights"


Etc etc etc - I don't really care if he has pics of Elvis landing on the moon.

I have no opinions on his BoT contributions.

Any evidence that McQ socialized with Sandusky after 2001 is significant.
 
Read what they responded to. It may clear things up.

You can keep waiting. He knew about the investigation and you can deny it. Do your own homework and prove he didn't know. The emails don't lie and you can keep denying it. It's what delusional people do. You're guess on my age is another bad one unless you're still a kid. Well that is kind of a given I guess. If you are that young and arguing this crap instead of being out, it also says a lot more.
Apparently you missed the word maybe.
 
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