If he caught it, he had a receiver wide open for a TD. But yeah, that’s all on the coaches.
It was actually a bad pass by trace
If he caught it, he had a receiver wide open for a TD. But yeah, that’s all on the coaches.
OSU actually went to the screen after Sanders' fumble. Also beat us with a reverse when we over pursued.Pry called a good first half. It was far better than I had expected. Pressure is what we needed to keep Haskins from throwing it down field. We did that well.
But .... OSU has a good staff. They went to screens in the 2nd half, and we had no answer. We don't run them. So the question is, did we have any preparation against screens? Those plays demand open field tackling, an obvious weakness.
Yes, I agree plenty of missed plays by the players. But that happens in every single college game ever. It happens on both sides. My point is that despite those plays, which happen every game, the coaches did not put them in the best position to win. And its the third straight double digit big game 4th quarter lead they've done that with. When is it ok to say that Franklin is bad in that situation? Are you still defending Andy Reid's 2 minute clock management as well?
No1. Somewhat. The drops hurt but they still made some plays.
No 2. Yes. Not to put the game into the hands of your senior QB, who played lights out all game is disgusting. Just can't comprehend that decision. I love JF and his staff, but this was bring anything i can defend.
No 3 and 4. No and no. It's a 60 minute game. Trace played like a senior QB should. And you can't blame the game on one play.
This is on the coaches and the lack of d tackling in the second half.
This is a good point, but it’s frustrating to lose in the fashion that they did. Still, the team will get better from this and have another great season.I would like to hear which PSU fans thought we would go undefeated. I know I didn’t.
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I agree the final call of the game was disappointing. But please keep in mind that you played an Ohio State team that's been recruiting top 5 classes since 2012. Still, Penn State beat Ohio State in 2016, lost by 1pt in 2017 and lost by 1pt tonight. The talent gap is all but gone and if Franklin continues working his magic you're one or two classes away from a playoff game and maybe a National Championship game. I look forward to personally watching you guys on 11/17.Proud of the team. Embarrassed of the coaching.
With a team with less talent the staff is putting them repeatedly in a position to win. What else are they supposed to do? The staff isn’t perfect. No staff is and not every play call will work. They had enough great play calls that we should have won the game by 3 TDs against a top 5 team. Why anyone is angry at the staff at this juncture has to ask themselves what staff in America would be doing a better job?
All losses are frustrating. Every time we’ve lost has been blamed on the coaches.This is a good point, but it’s frustrating to lose in the fashion that they did. Still, the team will get better from this and have another great season.
I agree the final call of the game was disappointing. But please keep in mind that you played an Ohio State team that's been recruiting top 5 classes since 2012. Still, Penn State beat Ohio State in 2016, lost by 1pt in 2017 and lost by 1pt tonight. The talent gap is all but gone and if Franklin continues working his magic you're one or two classes away from a playoff game and maybe a National Championship game. I look forward to personally watching you guys on 11/17.
All losses are frustrating. Every time we’ve lost has been blamed on the coaches.
I agree the final call of the game was disappointing. But please keep in mind that you played an Ohio State team that's been recruiting top 5 classes since 2012. Still, Penn State beat Ohio State in 2016, lost by 1pt in 2017 and lost by 1pt tonight. The talent gap is all but gone and if Franklin continues working his magic you're one or two classes away from a playoff game and maybe a National Championship game. I look forward to personally watching you guys on 11/17.
The closing of the talent gap has been incredible. I love 99% of what Franklin brings. But I can't ignore horrendous decisions repeatedly in the most important games. Not just second-guessing reasonable calls, but calls that are absurd.
Some things to think about...
We have lost a 1 point game the last 2 years to a team with constant top 2-3 recruiting classes. I know this one stings right now, but we have ALL pointed out that this team is a year away. Granted we'll be without Trace, but these defensive breakdowns are right around the corner from being fixed.
Rahne is a first time OC calling his 6th game. Let that soak in a bit. i'm not saying that that's an excuse, but compare that to someone like Kevin Wilson with numerous years of OC experience. You need EXPERIENCE to coach fundamentally sound games against top level opponents. Even then, you chance getting "cute" and not running with what brung you (a la Pete Caroll in the SB).
Honestly look at the game as a whole. The last play call hurt BAD, but that wasn't what lost the game. this YOUNG defense will learn throughout the year. We're not out of it. If anything, we showed the blueprint of how to beat tOSU, and you better believe that UM and MSU will replicate what we did.
With as close as this game was, I can imagine that if we win out (with our schedule) and tOSU can lose a game, we could still make waves at the end of the season. I just hate when it's taken out of our hands.
Did you watch the game? Several critical WR drops, second half defense collapses he can't help. You still put the ball in his hands with the game on the line. The last play was complete chicken shit. Period.Trace was bad in the first half. Had a great run but other than that his passing was poor.
We lost by one point to a better team. We could have done things better, but every team could have as well. The last play call was bad, but that didn’t cost us the game. I’m just so sick of every loss being put at the feet of the coach. At some point the players have to make some plays.So you liked the 7 Stevens plays that went for about -20 yards? You liked having our 5'10" QB who gets batted down five times a game throw a quick out on 4th and 1? You liked not running the play clock down with 6 minutes left in a game you lead? You liked throwing deep on 2nd and 10 with a lead late? You liked a run on 4th and 5 for the last play of the game?
Go ahead, defend all that. When you do, just accept that you'll never blame anything on the coaches if you do.
We lost by one point to a better team. We could have done things better, but every team could have as well. The last play call was bad, but that didn’t cost us the game. I’m just so sick of every loss being put at the feet of the coach. At some point the players have to make some plays.
The closing of the talent gap has been incredible. I love 99% of what Franklin brings. But I can't ignore horrendous decisions repeatedly in the most important games. Not just second-guessing reasonable calls, but calls that are absurd.
I’m sure OSU fans will tell you a lot of things that OSU did which were bad decisions. In the end, fans don’t really know shit.You say OSU is a better team because of their recruiting rankings. I watched them play tonight, I do not think OSU was the better team. I think the Stevens garbage in the first half killed 3 different drives, and I think the decision making at the end cost them another chance. That's a lot of points taken away by coaching decisions to not be willing to say coaches played a significant role.
No. You have a lead with O$U at their own 4. D has to be good enough to not let them drive 96 yards for a TD. IT WASNT THE COACHES. If we catch all our dropped balls we win this game by 3 TDS. That’s not on the staff. Trace dropped a ball on a dime into Johnson’s hand in the end zone. You have to catch it. That’s not on the coaching staff. O$U came in scoring 55 a game. We shut them out most of the night. We just don’t have that one defensive stopper this year like Cabinda and Allen.
I don't agree there have been horrendous decisions by the coaches. Coaching wasn't perfect but OSU is still a little bit better in the trenches on both side of the ball. That's why we lost this game. They had more success getting theirI don't expect perfection, not even close. But they repeatedly make completely head-scratching calls in these late fourth quarter games with big leads. It's awesome that we've been in position to win those games, but making horrendous coaching decisions when its all on the line isn't just ok.
Oh. I would absolutely have put the ball in his hands. But that doesn’t mean he didn’t play poorly in the he first half.Did you watch the game? Several critical WR drops, second half defense collapses he can't help. You still put the ball in his hands with the game on the line. The last play was complete chicken shit. Period.
I do not trust our field goal kicker so I liked the decision, but not the execution.Saban, Swinney and Meyer are on a different level coaching wise. They consistently make the right decisions and consistently win games other coaches probably lose. I think Franklin can get there but he's not there yet. If he kicks the field goal they win the game. That's the kind of decision the top 3 make correctly most of the time.
The Stevens setup actually worked. If he didn't drop that ball it's an easy touchdown because the coaches saw they were selling out to stop him from running. It ended up being very unfortunate, but I liked it and think it was a good move.
Saban, Swinney and Meyer are on a different level coaching wise. They consistently make the right decisions and consistently win games other coaches probably lose. I think Franklin can get there but he's not there yet. If he kicks the field goal they win the game. That's the kind of decision the top 3 make correctly most of the time.
I do not trust our field goal kicker so I liked the decision, but not the execution.
Now, now,....I do not think that Meyer makes the right decisions all the time.
He does 'forget' certain events now and then.
I'm a kicker with a natural hook and HATE kicking from the right hash. It's very comfortable from the left. Herbstreit was incorrect.I don't trust him with FGs over 40 yards, but this was I think a 35 yard attempt on the right hash. Herbie noted that he has a natural right to left pull on his kicks so kicking from the right hash increases his accuracy.
I'm a kicker with a natural hook and HATE kicking from the right hash. It's very comfortable from the left. Herbstreit was incorrect.
Are you still “kicking” as an occupation?I'm a kicker with a natural hook and HATE kicking from the right hash. It's very comfortable from the left. Herbstreit was incorrect.
The last 44th quarter collapses have to be addressed
Think of the games we have lost in last three years in the 4th
if you must know this is extremely embarrassing to admit but my leg was weakAre you still “kicking” as an occupation?
I encourage everyone to watch, and if nececessary, rewatch that play and focus on #71.