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Let's kick this off.

125 - Suriano - would like to pick bonus, but with the circumstances, away dual, average refs, etc. DEC, 3-0

133 - NaTo TF, 3-5

141 - Pletcher is impressive, but I'm not picking against the hot guy. Jimmy is on fire. DEC Jimmy, 6-5

149 - Zain. Can Micah stay off his back ? I don't know. Zain MD, 10-5

157 - Nolf - EDIT - looks like Coach his shielding his boy from being destroyed by Nolf & will toss out a backup. PIN. 16-5

165 - Hoping for a pin here. I'll stay conservative. Cenzo MD, 20-5.

174 - BoJo health ? BoJo baby sitter ? TanTom protecting seeds ? Which Mark Hall will we see ?
BoJo struggled against Meyer and I think Casey & Cael have Wreck Hall Ready. * Homer Pick * DEC Hall, 23-5.

184 - think Bo has this dual circled on his calendar ? Bo MD, 27-5.

197 - Moore is tough. Sorry Mouse. DEC, 27-8.

285 - World Champ in the house. Sorry Nick. He's just too special. MD, 27-12.
 
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I'd be shocked if Suriano didn't win by bonus. Kemmerer just beat Ryan 14-3, so I'll say Nolf by tech. Other than that I agree.
 
Suriano major. JRod is cooked. 4-0

NaTo pin 4-6

Pletcher dec- This one is too predictable. We are all really high on Jimmy... so this is letdown moment. Does help that Pletcher is a 133 pounder, but I just have a feeling. I'm not hating-- everyone knows I'm not about that Moss life-- but Plecher decision. 4-9

Zain mdec- Think he gets a 4 NF in there for the major. Not really confident in this prediction, but I'm sticking with it. 8-9

Nolf tech. Ryan is cooked. Edit: No Ryan? Pin 14-9

Joseph dec. Burcher knows how to keep them close. Though he seemed a little gimpy last week. Bonus if it's anyone else. 17-9

Jordan dec Hall. If Bo goes... Hall will give him all he can handle, but BoJo escapes 17-12

Nickal dec Martin. Really want this for Bo. I'd trade a dual victory w/ Nickal loss for a Nickal win w/ team loss. 20-12

Moore dec Cutch. If Cutch can shut down Moore's attacks (for the most part), that will be a positive 20-15

Snyder mdec Nevills. I'd be happy to keep it to a major. 20-19

20-19 PSU
 
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diggerpup said:
Let's kick this off.

125 - Suriano - would like to pick bonus, but with the circumstances, away dual, average refs, etc. DEC, 3-0

133 - NaTo TF, 3-5

141 - Pletcher is impressive, but I'm not picking against the hot guy. Jimmy is on fire. DEC Jimmy, 6-5

149 - Zain. Can Micah stay off his back ? I don't know. Zain MD, 10-5

157 - Nolf - too bad Ryan is gonna have his track shoes for 7:00, or it would be 5 or 6. Nolf MD, 14-5.

165 - Hoping for a pin here. I'll stay conservative. Cenzo MD, 18-5.

174 - BoJo health ? BoJo baby sitter ? TanTom protecting seeds ? Which Mark Hall will we see ?
BoJo struggled against Meyer and I think Casey & Cael have Wreck Hall Ready. * Homer Pick * DEC Hall, 21-5

184 - think Bo has this dual circled on his calendar ? Bo MD, 25-5

197 - Moore is tough. Sorry Mouse. DEC, 25-8

285 - World Champ in the house. Sorry Nick. He's just too special. MD, 25-12.
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This is a solid prediction
 
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LemonPie said:
Suriano major. JRod is cooked. 4-0

NaTo pin 4-6

Pletcher dec- This one is too predictable. We are all really high on Jimmy... so this is letdown moment. Does help that Pletcher is a 133 pounder, but I just have a feeling. I'm not hating-- everyone knows I'm not about that Moss life-- but Plecher decision. 4-9

Zain mdec- Think he gets a 4 NF in there for the major. Not really confident in this prediction, but I'm sticking with it. 8-9

Nolf tech. Ryan is cooked. 13-9

Joseph dec. Burcher knows how to keep them close. Though he seemed a little gimpy last week. Bonus if it's anyone else. 16-9

Jordan dec Hall. If Bo goes... Hall will give him all he can handle, but BoJo escapes 16-12

Nickal dec Martin. Really want this for Bo. I'd trade a dual victory w/ Nickal loss for a Nickal win w/ team loss. 19-12

Moore dec Cutch. If Cutch can shut down Moore's attacks (for the most part), that will be a positive 19-15

Snyder mdec Nevills. I'd be happy to keep it to a major. 19-19

19-19
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This is also a solid prediction
 
Suriano MD, if he really pushed the pace the OSU kid could wilt to a tech or fall. 4 - 0.

Nato is getting a pin. 4 - 6.

Jimmy with a blistering pace could bonus, but for now I will take the victory. 7 - 6.

Last year Jimmy rode Jordan like a rented mule and last Friday Sorensen did the same. I can't envision this match not ending up as one of those matches where Zain just brutalizes his opponent. Jordan turtles the entire match, gets warned once maybe penalized 1 point and Zain easily turns him twice
This match has fall or tech written all over it. 13 - 6.

Ryan isn't sending junior out to be brutalized again. Tech if not fall. 18 - 6.

Joseph fresh and ready to go. Major. 22 - 6.

Deadlifts 450 strong, or active and slick. If the kid is going to make a run and I believe he is it starts here. I take active and slick. 25 - 6.

Martin has looked at times, uninterested. Martin looked interested against Brooks, but Brooks wore Martin out. This could be anything from a methodical beat down to a fall. 28 - 6.

Really interested in this match. I would really like to see the Moose wear this kid down. However, the OSU kid looks big, athletic and appears to maintain a high level of activity.
28 - 9.

If Snyder wrestles it is a major or worse. If not, a major or worse for Nick.

28 - 13
 
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125: 4-0 PSU
133: 6-4 Ohio St
141: 7-6 PSU
149: 11-6 PSU
157: 15-6 PSU
165: 18-6 PSU
174: 18-9 PSU
184: 21-9 PSU
197: 21-12 PSU
Hwt: 21-16 PSU
 
125: 4-0 PSU Maj
133: 4-5 OSU TF
141: 7-5 PSU Dec
149: 11-5 PSU Maj
157: 16-5 PSU TF
165: 19-5 PSU Dec
174: 19-8 OSU Dec
184: 22-8 PSU Dec
197: 22-11 OSU Dec
Hwt: 22-14 OSU Dec
 
125: Suriano Wmd 4-0
133: Carpenter Lfall: 4-6
141: Jimmy Wdec: 7-6
149: Zain Wmd: 11-6
157: Nolf Wmd: 15-6
165: Cenzo Wdec: 18-6
174: Hall Ldec: 18-9
184: Bo Wdec: 21-9
197: Cutch Ldec: 21-12
285: Nick Ldec: 21-15
 
diggerpup said:
Let's kick this off.

125 - Suriano - would like to pick bonus, but with the circumstances, away dual, average refs, etc. DEC, 3-0

133 - NaTo TF, 3-5

141 - Pletcher is impressive, but I'm not picking against the hot guy. Jimmy is on fire. DEC Jimmy, 6-5

149 - Zain. Can Micah stay off his back ? I don't know. Zain MD, 10-5

157 - Nolf - too bad Ryan is gonna have his track shoes for 7:00, or it would be 5 or 6. Nolf MD, 14-5.

165 - Hoping for a pin here. I'll stay conservative. Cenzo MD, 18-5.

174 - BoJo health ? BoJo baby sitter ? TanTom protecting seeds ? Which Mark Hall will we see ?
BoJo struggled against Meyer and I think Casey & Cael have Wreck Hall Ready. * Homer Pick * DEC Hall, 21-5

184 - think Bo has this dual circled on his calendar ? Bo MD, 25-5

197 - Moore is tough. Sorry Mouse. DEC, 25-8

285 - World Champ in the house. Sorry Nick. He's just too special. MD, 25-12.
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We MUST get bonus at 125 with Nick...He needs to go for a pin big time....
 
Score translation from my call in the other thread:

125 give pain (12-4 / 4-0)
133 receive massive pain (LBF / 4-6)
141 mutually assured pain (7-6 / 7-6)
149 give a little more pain than receive (6-2 / 10-6)
157 give throbbing pain (19-7 / 14-6)
165 give pain (9-4 / 17-6)
174 give pain to guy not in pain (15-4 / 21-6)
184 give persistent moderate pain (9-4 / 24-6)
197 receive minor pain (4-7 / 24-9)
285 frustrated by predictable received pain (5-13 / 24-13)
 
125 Suriano md 4-0
133 Nato fall 4-6
141 Jimmy dec 7-6
149 Zain md 11-6
156 Nolf fall 17-6
165 Cenzo dec 20-6
174 Hall dec 23-6
184 Nickal fall 29-6
197 Moore dec 29-9
Heavy Snyder dec 29-12
 
LemonPie said:
Suriano major. JRod is cooked. 4-0

NaTo pin 4-6

Pletcher dec- This one is too predictable. We are all really high on Jimmy... so this is letdown moment. Does help that Pletcher is a 133 pounder, but I just have a feeling. I'm not hating-- everyone knows I'm not about that Moss life-- but Plecher decision. 4-9

Zain mdec- Think he gets a 4 NF in there for the major. Not really confident in this prediction, but I'm sticking with it. 8-9

Nolf tech. Ryan is cooked. 13-9

Joseph dec. Burcher knows how to keep them close. Though he seemed a little gimpy last week. Bonus if it's anyone else. 16-9

Jordan dec Hall. If Bo goes... Hall will give him all he can handle, but BoJo escapes 16-12

Nickal dec Martin. Really want this for Bo. I'd trade a dual victory w/ Nickal loss for a Nickal win w/ team loss. 19-12

Moore dec Cutch. If Cutch can shut down Moore's attacks (for the most part), that will be a positive 19-15

Snyder mdec Nevills. I'd be happy to keep it to a major. 19-19

19-19
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I agree with this with the exception that I don't think Suriano majors...not offensive from the top outside of hard riding...doesn't turn to many, I see a decision. Also, JG and Pletcher can go either way...I'm going JG because of experience as a 5th year senior but wouldn't be surprised if Luke beats him by 2-3 points. At 74...I think Bo Jo finds a way to avoid mixing it up with Hall. He'll win a 1 point decision but Hall will get him at B1Gs or NCAAs as he learns his style/approach. However, I could see Hall blowing it wide open if he gets an early TD and pushes the pace...Finally, I think Snyder techs Nick...nothing against Nick but it's Snyder, the Olympic & World Champ.
 
Tan Tom might find out his plan backfires if he sends Bo Jordan out there, and Mark Hall beats him. Seed gone.

I think it's 50-50 we see BoJo take the mat on Friday night.
 
I think Tom Ryan kind of gave us a hint that he won't. He said he agrees with Brands to not wrestle Clark against NATO if he wasn't 100% and indicated Bojo wasn't 100% in the Meyers match but basically he was good enough to win without being in top form (without saying that blunt). It doesn't make any sense to wrestle him in my opinion. Just wrestle Hall at big 10's when your healthier.
 
spyker said:
We MUST get bonus at 125 with Nick...He needs to go for a pin big time....
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If you look at the point counts and the swing matches, a Gulibon win makes it very difficult for Ohio St to find a combination to win the dual.

Similar to the PSU v Iowa breakdown.

Would need some crazy stuff to happen.

If PSU at least splits 141 & 174, I think the opening for OSU to win is very small.

If Ohio St sweeps 141 & 174, it's going to be VERY tight, and will come down to 184 & bonus points.
 
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I think Jimmy big brothers Pletcher Friday night. You know Pletcher being a western PA kid looked up to Jimmy watching him win 4 States - setting goal to do same (and almost did). If Jimmy gets 1st takedown it could be a major D. #JimmyTrain
 
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diggerpup said:
If you look at the point counts and the swing matches, a Gulibon win makes it very difficult for Ohio St to find a combination to win the dual.

Similar to the PSU v Iowa breakdown.

Would need some crazy stuff to happen.

If PSU at least splits 141 & 174, I think the opening for OSU to win is very small.

If Ohio St sweeps 141 & 174, it's going to be VERY tight, and will come down to 184 & bonus points.
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I see two versions coming out here in this thread. One is more of a worst case scenario (close to LemonPie, his is not quite worst case), and then what I think will happen (a la Diggerpup), all things working normally. Both are valid views. It was early am when I posted this and realized I had Z vs Ryan and not Jordan. Against Jordan I would think would be Dev or Maj.

Normally I would think Hall is not going to win against the supposed “top” guy, but he has always seemed to find a way when it counts. Carver was an anomaly. As HR posters said, that happens even to their own at Carver the first time (ex. Kemmerer). I think this match, assuming everyone (BoJo) wrestles, will tell us a lot about the team, especially JG, Hall, MM, and NN.

Is Jimmy going to be more consistent? Can Hall bounce back? Cutch has been close with some of the best, how good is Moore? How does Nick deal with the incredible quickness and strength of Snyder? While I don’t think he will pull out a win, I think it will be a mental battle to overcome the intimidation factor and keep it to a dec or low MD. That could give him the confidence to beat anyone not named Snyder.


Worst case My guess

NS W-dec 3-0 W-MD 4-0

GC L-Fall 3-6 L-TF 4-5

JG L-Dec 3-9 W-Dec 7-5

ZP W-Dec 6-9 W-MD 11-5

JN W-MD 10-9 W-Tech 16-5

VJ W-Dec 13-9 W-MD 20-5

MH L-Dec 13-12 W-Dec 23-5

Bo W-Dec 16-12 W-MD 27-5

MM L-Dec 16-15 L-Dec 27-8

NN L-TF 16-20 L-MD 27-12
 
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I have it 23-16.

125 - Suriano major, 4-0
133 - Nato pin, 4-6 (I can't pick Carpenter or Law to avoid a fall given what we've seen so far)
141 - Jimmy decision, 7-6, swing match, OSU needs this one to have a chance
149 - Zain major, 11-6
157 - Nolf tech, 16-6
165 - Joseph decision, 19-6
174 - Bo Jo decision, 19-9, I believe in Hall but think it's a huge ask of him to win this one
184 - Bo major, 23-9, if Bo pins him I'll lose my mind
197 - Moore decision, 23-12, Mouse isn't better, so I expect a close Moore win
285 - Snyder major, 23-16, I expect Nevills can keep it from a tech, but I doubt he gets near a takedown
 
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PSUAllTheWay said:
I'll be rooting like crazy for Cutch but Moore has looked really, really good. This is a statement match for Cutch in terms of where he is in the rankings. Unfortunately I think Moore will be too much for him.
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I am excited to see how McCutcheon does wrestling Moore. I picked Moore, but I believe Matthew wrestles him tough and if he beats Moore my perception for the post season for Matt improves dramatically.
 
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Bonus points are needed from Suriano, Zain, Nolf and Cenzo. I think the match comes down to whether Jimmy wins. NATO is getting 5 and probably 6. I hate to say it, but Snyder is getting at least a major if not more over Nevills despite Nick having a great year. Snyder is not only good, but has the quickness and conditioning of a 125 pounder. Your prototypical heavyweight can't match up with that.
 
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If you look at the point counts and the swing matches, a Gulibon win makes it very difficult for Ohio St to find a combination to win the dual.

Similar to the PSU v Iowa breakdown.

Would need some crazy stuff to happen.

If PSU at least splits 141 & 174, I think the opening for OSU to win is very small.

If Ohio St sweeps 141 & 174, it's going to be VERY tight, and will come down to 184 & bonus points.
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Agree. The key matches look to be 141 and 174. If BoJo doesn't go for Brutus, their chances to win the dual appear much diminished.

I would also caution that MyMar is still a dangerous guy at 184.
 
On the Askren Rowlands podcast yesterday Rowlands mentioned, somewhat cryptically, that BoJo had an injury that required time off the mat, and that he'd come back cold against Meyer, not having been on the mat for two weeks. Mentioned further that he needed more time off the mat even after that match, but that he expected him to go against Hall.
 
125 Nick MD over J Rodriguez. Penn State's most consistent guy vs tOSU's least consistent. Rowlands thinks weight cut caught up their freshman. 4-0

133 NaTo FALL over anyone we might throw out there. NaTo looks as good as he's looked at any point in his career. Huge body-type discrepancy with Carpenter isn't something that matters when talent discrepancy is as huge. 4-6

141 Jimmy DEC over Pletcher. Toss-up really but I'd feel awful picking against Jimmy when he's really not looked any better during his time in blue and white. Pletcher a bright spot for tOSU this year but he's still wrestling up from his ideal class, isn't exactly hammering guys, and hasn't seen the best the weight class has to offer. Jimmy will go down 4-1 and have to come back but he'll have more in the 3rd period tank than Pletcher. 7-6

149 Zain DEC over Micah. I think Zain dominates but Micah doesn't get turned and is good enough to slow Zain down to 3-4 TDs. 10-6

157 Nolf FALL over Ryan. Ryan has been getting dominated by ranked guys all year, which is kind of a shame because tOSU fans probably thought future was rosy after he went to SV against Joe Smith at NCAAs. Nolf wants to avenge being limited to a major at last year's dual. 16-6

165 Cenzo DEC over Burcher. Burcher is good enough to only lose to guys ahead of him, and not get majored, but Cenzo is clearly ahead of him. 19-6

174 Hall DEC over BoJo. The other toss-up. The more points go up on the board the more I like Hall, and I don't see BoJo, especially coming off paternity-leave and whatever the hell else, holding off Hall's offense. 22-6

184 Bo DEC Martin. Can't remember if these two met before, but I know Bo will be ready. I hope he just plays it straight and gets his takedowns, of which Martin has given up plenty this year. No reason to ride the rollercoaster with Martin, just protect the two seed. Funny how they both bumped up, with Martin looking the part a bit more, but Bo having the success. 25-6

197 Moore DEC Cutch. Moore is majoring guys Cutch is eking past (most recently Cash Wilcke), and has a legit shot to finish right behind Cox and Pfarr. I think Cutch can AA but Moore looks like the future of this weight class. 25-9

HWT Snyder MD over Nick. Nick is going to give up a bunch of TDs but I'd love to see him get one or two of his own. Snyder just too fundamentally sound to give up much to Nevills. Maybe Nick gets lucky and finds an opportunity to use his weight in a scramble and catches Snyder. 25-13
 
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Suriano major 4-0
Nato tech 4-5
Jimmy dec 7-5
Zain major 11-5
Nolf pin 17-5
Joseph dec 20-5
Jordan dec 20-8
Nickal dec 23-8
Moore major 23-12
Snyder major 23-16
 
Nails Maj (if it starts at 125, if it starts somewhere else Dec) 4-0
Nato Fall 4-6
Jimmy Dec 7-6
Zain Dec 10-6
Nolf TF 15-6
Cenzo Dec 18-6
BoJo Dec 18-9
Nickal Dec 21-9
Moore Dec 21-12
Snyder Dec 21-15
 
tikk10 said:
125 Nick MD over J Rodriguez. Penn State's most consistent guy vs tOSU's least consistent. Rowlands thinks weight cut caught up their freshman. 4-0

133 NaTo FALL over anyone we might throw out there. NaTo looks as good as he's looked at any point in his career. Huge body-type discrepancy with Carpenter isn't something that matters when talent discrepancy is as huge. 4-6

141 Jimmy DEC over Pletcher. Toss-up really but I'd feel awful picking against Jimmy when he's really not looked any better during his time in blue and white. Pletcher a bright spot for tOSU this year but he's still wrestling up from his ideal class, isn't exactly hammering guys, and hasn't seen the best the weight class has to offer. Jimmy will go down 4-1 and have to come back but he'll have more in the 3rd period tank than Pletcher. 7-6

149 Zain DEC over Micah. I think Zain dominates but Micah doesn't get turned and is good enough to slow Zain down to 3-4 TDs. 10-6

157 Nolf FALL over Ryan. Ryan has been getting dominated by ranked guys all year, which is kind of a shame because tOSU fans probably thought future was rosy after he went to SV against Joe Smith at NCAAs. Nolf wants to avenge being limited to a major at last year's dual. 16-6

165 Cenzo DEC over Burcher. Burcher is good enough to only lose to guys ahead of him, and not get majored, but Cenzo is clearly ahead of him. 19-6

174 Hall DEC over BoJo. The other toss-up. The more points go up on the board the more I like Hall, and I don't see BoJo, especially coming off paternity-leave and whatever the hell else, holding off Hall's offense. 22-6

184 Bo DEC Martin. Can't remember if these two met before, but I know Bo will be ready. I hope he just plays it straight and gets his takedowns, of which Martin has given up plenty this year. No reason to ride the rollercoaster with Martin, just protect the two seed. Funny how they both bumped up, with Martin looking the part a bit more, but Bo having the success. 25-6

197 Moore DEC Cutch. Moore is majoring guys Cutch is eking past (most recently Cash Wilcke), and has a legit shot to finish right behind Cox and Pfarr. I think Cutch can AA but Moore looks like the future of this weight class. 25-9

HWT Snyder MD over Nick. Nick is going to give up a bunch of TDs but I'd love to see him get one or two of his own. Snyder just too fundamentally sound to give up much to Nevills. Maybe Nick gets lucky and finds an opportunity to use his weight in a scramble and catches Snyder. 25-13
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