Ohio state Vs. Meyer
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We wanted to protect people from physical and sexual assault but the abusers won't let us. To quote Mrs. Meyer, they scare me.
Reputation... Isn't Meyer the guy who knowingly enabled a spouse abuser to protect the OSU brand?
We all know that coaches are still coaching their team when suspended, so it's laughable to think he's already served any sort of punishment.
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Imagine the backlash from every school they play on the road. Fans can be unruly and I would guess a lot of interesting signs might have to be blotted out by ESPN.
Funny you should say that ... Don't I remember a time when a couple of high ranking PSU officials (i.e. his "bosses") went over to Joe's house to try and talk him into retiring and he basically threw them off his front porch?
Joe was powerful and I get what you’re saying, but I always understood that story to be more hyperbole than anything else...a tall tale he could throw around to flex a little of the remaining muscle he had left at that time.
OSU: Urban, you’re fired.
Urban: No I’m not.
OSU: Suspended?
Urban: Time served
OSU: Done!
Not sure I buy the OP but it’s hilarious if true.
Don't forget the mob is behind the guy now and there is no real national outrage over this. The President comes off totally powerless here to be honest.
Yeah, that's what tripped me up in his post. I would think Urban's lawyers would be looking for a smarter angle than going all in on his "reputation". There is too much questionable stuff out there over his history to take a stand based on his "reputation". If the OP said something like, "the lawyers are all in based on provable information regarding Urban's actions reporting ZS to the AD of OSU" then it would be more believable.
His reputation? Yeah, not so much.
meyer doesn't care about the Tosu brand. He enabled a spouse abuser to protect his legacy.
WIN.
They wanted him to retire because we weren't winning enough. Quite a difference in this case, don't you think?
It seems that a majority of the fan base continues to support Urban. Why? Simple. Winning is paramount and then there are those who don't see the big deal you know, a culture, they are familiar with because it happens in their house hold. How would they feel if this was their daughter getting the shoot slapped out of her.
I was going to take my wife to the next PSU game in Columbus, but now I'm starting to have second thoughts that some OSU fans will abuse her, and then others will try to cover it up.
Maybe all the women going to Ohio State games can show up with black eyes and strangulation marks on their throats.
Maybe Ohio State can have a promo, autographed pictures of Zach posing with his toys. For $5 Zach can strangle you and throw you against a wall. For $100 Zach will do all this while Urban stands their with his back turned and his hands over his ears.
Reminiscent of tOSU's president being asked if he was going to fire Jim Tressel and he said he hoped Jim Tressel didn't fire him. History repeats itself.
I get it, the BOT wants to fire him on grounds of the #metoo movement (there is no defense for those accused). But Urban, seeing what happened to JoePa, knows this is tantamount to a guilty plea and the ruination of his legacy. So there is no legal grounds for his dismissal (for cause) and has the resources to fight back. If Meyer did report it, he followed protocol and broke no laws.
This is, really, what we all warned about back in 2011 when the university, ncaa and B1G thought they were smarter than the legal system.
I get it, the BOT wants to fire him on grounds of the #metoo movement (there is no defense for those accused). But Urban, seeing what happened to JoePa, knows this is tantamount to a guilty plea and the ruination of his legacy. So there is no legal grounds for his dismissal (for cause) and has the resources to fight back. If Meyer did report it, he followed protocol and broke no laws.
This is, really, what we all warned about back in 2011 when the university, ncaa and B1G thought they were smarter than the legal system.
I don’t condone making light of serious problems like domestic abuse, but you’re correct that lines will be crossed in ways such as you described. Again, fans (from all schools) can go over the top with these sorts of antics, and I’m not sure if tosu is really looking long-term with their decision. In today’s political climate, the optics of keeping Meyer (regardless of his ultimate culpability) are just bad.
No cover up necessary. Just defiance and ignorance. When people don’t care what you do, you can do whatever you want.
My all means, go to the game. I heard OSU has implemented a new plan to boost concession sales. Get $5 off all purchases over $20 when you're wearing a ball gag.
First, the BOT wanted him to retire over W's and L's, not any moral issue. Second, Joe told them he was not going to retire and if they wanted to fire him, that was their choice. They caved and Joe went on to have a very successful 2005~2011.
But when Meyer seen that nothing was being done, shouldn't he have contacted the police or interviewed the victim?Reminiscent of tOSU's president being asked if he was going to fire Jim Tressel and he said he hoped Jim Tressel didn't fire him. History repeats itself.
I get it, the BOT wants to fire him on grounds of the #metoo movement (there is no defense for those accused). But Urban, seeing what happened to JoePa, knows this is tantamount to a guilty plea and the ruination of his legacy. So there is no legal grounds for his dismissal (for cause) and has the resources to fight back. If Meyer did report it, he followed protocol and broke no laws.
This is, really, what we all warned about back in 2011 when the university, ncaa and B1G thought they were smarter than the legal system.
What about this, since there is a lot of whataboutism regarding this matter. Urban Meyer resigns. The committee finds NO reason to suspend or terminate him (deal with Meyer's legal team). Urban then laments that he would be a distraction to the team and falls on his buckeye sword, his reputation somewhat intact and his wealth secured. But is it enough for him?
The language in the termination section of Urban's contract gives them the latitude to dismiss him for breach of contract if they want to go down that path, obviously he can sue after the fact but that doesnt change the fact that as the contract is written they do have the grounds.
"fraud or dishonesty of coach in the performance of his duties or responsibilities under this agreement..."
"Commission of or participation in by Coach of any act, situation, or occurrence which, in Ohio State's judgment, brings Coach and/or Ohio State into public disrepute, embarrassment, contempt, scandal or ridicule or failure by Coach to conform Coach's personal conduct to conventional and contemporary standards of good citizenship, with such conduct offending prevailing social mores and values and/or reflecting unfavorably upon Ohio State's reputation and overall primary mission and objectives, including but not limited to, acts of dishonesty, misrepresentation, fraud or violence that may or may not warrant criminal prosecution by the relevant authorities."
nor sure if serious....we don't know all of the issues, of course. But Meyer seems to have reported it at tOSU and the police were called. Short of Meyer going all Columbo, he relied on them to do their job and kept the coach. we've seen that the wife, to some extent, is a nut. Most of the serious evidence was at FL, not tOSU. But the police investigated that too. Unless you've got evidence of Meyer interfering with the police, I don't know of what he did wrong.
Don't disagree. But the vagueness of that contract opens it up to civil litigation. Coaches lie all the time. They try to build up confidence in players while tearing down kids that are over confident. They have to "sell the program" on days when that is not so hard. Do we really believe the stuff coming out of Pitt? Do we really know what happened with Donovan, CJF and Hack? How about Manny Bowen? CJF does a great job of not answering questions, which is smart. But many simply lie. If lying to the press was a fire-able offense, there would be very few coaches.
Not serious but that's what Joe blamed for not doing.
Any termination is open to civil litigation if someone really wants to push the issue. The second section I quoted basically described this situation verbatim in the first sentence.
totally agree. But when it is cut and dried, say Meyer called a police officer and convinced him/her to let it slide, it wouldn't be much of a case. And this is where law is secondary to PR and pride. tOSU will pay him a LOT OF MONEY to make him go away and save the University the embarrassment.
They way this is worded I'm not sure Urban really has that strong of a case but I'd defer to the lawyers on the board. Also, OSU isn't the only one in line for embarrassment if this thing goes south, Urban should have an interest in this ending quietly.
Got it...that is what I thought/hoped! Report it and get out of the way. The tOSU side is:
- Don't care about UF cases
- Only case at tOSU was a potential violation of a protection order in 2015
- Cops were all over the 2015 incident and made their decisions
- Who knew about sex with intern and sex toys? Laws broken?
- Meyer fired the guy
- Meyer lied to press
Fireable offenses? IDK...tough call.
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