The piazzas still haven't burned Penn State down to the ground. We are long overdue for that.
OT: 3 PSU Frat brothers get jail time in hazing death at PSU.
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The piazzas still haven't burned Penn State down to the ground. We are long overdue for that.
Penn State as a whole does not have a culture problem but this board certainly does. The amount of people here who don't believe Penn State or anybody at Penn State should ever be held accountable for anything is incredible.
There is certainly a reason other boards thing this place is a cesspool, because it certainly is. After reading through the comments in this thread that much is obvious.
There is certainly a reason other boards thing this place is a cesspool, because it certainly is. After reading through the comments in this thread that much is obvious.
No one at Penn State should be held accountable for a kid willfully drinking his ears off.
If PSU should be held accountable, then why not Piazza's parents, who have managed to blame everyone in the world except three people. Themselves and their son.
If PSU should be held accountable, then why not Piazza's parents, who have managed to blame everyone in the world except three people. Themselves and their son.
And what positive insight have you added to the conversation?
Penn State can't and shouldn't monitor every single student activity. It's absurd to think that on a campus of 46,000 plus students, nothing will ever go wrong. Just because something did doesn't make Penn State accountable.
I also think jail time is absurd. The only difference between these kids and most of us who have been part of drinking parties is luck. I understand the emotional involvement of the parents, but the vitriol of the father has been over the top. The fraternity members were his son's friends who were accepting him into the frat and had no bad intentions whatsoever.
Remember, his parents has said Tim was different and not like any of the kids in the frat he chose. They did not mention though his excessive cocaine use and also being on a prescription medicine which says on the friggin label “do not use with alcohol, danger of falling down stairs.” Amazing hypocrisy. Although I hear his parents were able to stave off bankruptcy and pay off their beach house on the back of their son.
I'm sick of hearing from the parents. They act like their child's life is more valuable than others' and that's not the case.
The mitigating factors mixed with their over-the-top nasty vitriol really disgusts me and destroys their credibility. Their son had a lot to do with why he died an accidental death. And instead these people and their scum lawyer throw everything in the book at PSU to get as much money as possible. Doing everything they can to destroy other young men's lives.
Whoever said this place is a cesspool, I'd rather wallow in this cesspool of reasonable thought than listen to the bullshit lies spread across the newspapers every day. GFY.
The mitigating factors mixed with their over-the-top nasty vitriol really disgusts me and destroys their credibility. Their son had a lot to do with why he died an accidental death. And instead these people and their scum lawyer throw everything in the book at PSU to get as much money as possible. Doing everything they can to destroy other young men's lives.
Whoever said this place is a cesspool, I'd rather wallow in this cesspool of reasonable thought than listen to the bullshit lies spread across the newspapers every day. GFY.
Luck? There were frat bros physically assaulting a kid who wanted to call the medics to get him help. This wasn't Tim grabbing a handle of vodka and pills and sneaking off to a room where he choked on his own vomit, unbeknownst to everyone else at the party.
They tried to delete the video.
They saw the kid the next morning with no color, turning blue, and still waited another 42 mins to call for help.
GTFO with that 'luck' BS.
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This times about a 1000. Everyone knows these morons were under suspension and calling for help would shut the fray down.
They deserved jail time.
So you agree that they thought he was just drunk, and not at risk of death. If they thought he might die, they would have done something because the alternative surely would not be good for the frat.
Unfortunately they were made examples of. As people ,and especially as educated college people (in this case “brothers”) there is an expectation that people take reasonable steps to prevent bad outcomes. Fair or unfair, and as applies to this case, no idea. But that’s what is expected in our society.
Honestly, I have never followed this story that closely. Is it true that the frat members left him to die knowing he had sustained serious injuries? I guess in hope to skate punishment for getting him so drunk? Or was this "we just thought he was really drunk and passed out and we too were hammered?" Thanks
If he was so different then I’d be very surprised that he would have gotten a bid in the first place. I’m guessing he was pretty similar to all the other brothers.
Jail time is stupid! Give them some tough community service that benefits the less fortunate. And while I’m sorry for Piazza’s friends and family
He was a willing participant who obviously drank too much on many occasions. Sad situation for all
Actually, this stuff has been happening since the last century.
MIT is widely considered the worlds best institution for sciences and engineering. (Not trying to start an argument here. Note the conjunction is "and" not "or".)
http://news.mit.edu/1998/da-0923
This case is eerily similar to the Piazza case.
Except there was no film and DA less aggressive.
I sorry I don’t understand moron, translate it to common sense and I’ll take a crack at it.
We had a fraternity under suspension prohibited from having alcohol at their functions, violating state hazing laws and alcohol laws willingly by serving underage people .
And a kid died , so yeah I agree with jail time. I also believe we should the fraternity system down . So there’s that .
If a bar did what they did they’d be shut down and put in jail.
Don’t do the crime , you don’t do the time .
The better question is when will his grandstanding parents go away.
Oh, ok. I’ll translate: you think that they let a kid die in order to avoid calling attention to themselves. You are the moron.
I'm fine with jail time. They dicked around and let a kid die because they did something they shouldn't have been doing and didn't want to get in trouble.
Is there any doubt, if this hadn't happened, that young Mr Piazza would have be the one hazing pledges every semester until he graduated. I wonder if they would have wanted their son thrown in jail if this happened to a pledge their son was hazing.
Probably as soon as the money dries up. Then the piazza foundation won't mean as much and the grandstanding will stop.
https://www.northjersey.com/story/n...-frat-boys-punished-more-severely/3367100002/
Gotta love reporters with an agenda
"[Piazza] was forced to drink so much that he died"
Um, no
Gotta love reporters with an agenda
"[Piazza] was forced to drink so much that he died"
Um, no
Let's see how many times we can add "PSU" to the title of a negative topic!
In fairness, it is where the crime actually occurred. To your point there have been, ahem, other cases where the association with PSU has been greatly exaggerated.
Actually he is not.
The problem for the frat boys is that Piazza was drinking underage in their fraternity that was banned from serving alcohol. Piazza then fell down the steps and unbeknownst to the frat boys was seriously injured. The next morning when Piazza was unresponsive, they diddled around trying to figure out what to do when it was quite obvious what should be done, as a result, Piazza died.
Anytime someone falls down the steps there is a distinct possibility that the person suffered a serious injury, pretty much common sense.
Whether Piazza was a party boy or not is really immaterial to any criminality by the frat boys. They served him the alcohol which contributed to his falling down the steps (could be the meds too), they also failed to render aid in a timely manner when someone was obviously hurt by their actions. The frat boys illegal actions contributed to Piazza's death, as result they are getting a small jail sentence.
Piazza's behavior should be a factor in any civil trial.
Made the news today in Maryland that some young men were getting jail time for racist graffiti.
Suggestions for you;
1. If you are responding to a post, respond to what it actually says instead of what you wanted it to have said.
2. Get rid of your weasel words
3. Get your facts straight.
Facts are straight. Piazza who was a minor was served alcohol by the frat boys. Piazza falls down the stairs. Frat boys do not render aid. Later when Piazza is unresponsive, frat boys still do not render aid and wait 42 minutes to decide to call 911. Piazza died.
Frat boys illegal and criminal actions contributed to Piazza's death. That can result in jail time as part of the punishment.
Seems pretty clear to me.
You must have been a frat boy.
I think the concepts of Comparative and Contributory Negligence are beyond the understanding of several on this thread. Hence, the following common argument - Piazza likes to party and drink so everything that happened to him is entirely and solely his fault so everyone else gets to skate, especially these wholesome and upstanding frat bros.
Of course, mbe is in the comments and at PL posing as "Andrea DiMorphio" and feigning the usual outrage.
Again with the strawman. No one has made that argument. There is definitely an argument that Piazza had undisclosed medical issues and should have known not to be drinking heavily due to the medication he was taking, which no one else knew about. There is also the argument that he went along with this drinking event voluntarily and it wasn't really "hazing" in the commonly understood meaning of the word. Furnishing alcohol was definitely a violation, and was definitely a contributing factor here, but furnishing alcohol to willing 19-year olds happens every single day at PSU and every other college in the country, so I have a hard time getting outraged about that.
Personally, instead of trying to ban alcohol in all fraternities (which is just a game of whack a mole, as the drinking will either migrate elsewhere or turn into drugs), I think that parents should do a better job of teaching their kids how to deal with alcohol. And yes, that includes the Piazzas.
Is failure to render aid even a part of the sentenced offenses? If not, then it's irrelevant In any event, they attempted to render the aid that they felt was appropriate under the circumstances, i.e., keep the drunk guy from choking on his vomit. The big problem with the whole prosecution, and I suspect the reason that all of the serious charges were dismissed repeatedly, is that no one had complete knowledge of Piazza's actual condition, including his pre-existing injuries, medication, fall down the stairs and amount of alcohol consumption (which I have yet to a clear and credible account of). There was a single guy who thought that help should have been called earlier, but he didn't do a damn thing.
I don't see that as a common argument. It exists, certainly. I think there are levels of thinking along these lines:
1. It's all Piazza's fault.
2. Piazza should share blame with his parents who were lousy parents.
3. Piazza, his parents and the frat should be blamed, not PSU.
4. Piazza and the frat should be blamed, not PSU.
5. Piazza, his parents, the frat and PSU all share some level of responsibility.
6. Piazza, the frat and PSU all share some level of responsibility.
7. The frat and Penn State should have know better. It's their fault.
8. The frat is 100% at fault -- put them all in jail.
9. PSU is Hell -- burn it to the ground.
And then just looking at the punishment:
1. Piazza was an adult making an adult decision. The frat boys shouldn't be punished.
2. Piazza was an adult making an adult decision. But the frat boys should be punished to some extent.
3. The frat boys let him die. Throw the book at him.
And many more ideas fit between the lines as well. This is a discussion. None of us have 100% of the details. Therefore, all opinions should be considered to some extent.
Great post. This is an opinion board. You want facts? Well, there may not be 'facts' as we once knew them. Everyone wants to classify people as being "this" or "that". It is much more complex than that.
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