OT: A modest request...Can we stop mocking the French now....

[Ten Thousan Marbles]

...on both this board and the test board?

I know everybody today is in support of the French and the losses they have had overnight.

Can we continue being as sympathetic to them going forward. They have blood in these matters, just as we and many other nations do.

Thanks for your consideration of this request in advance.

 

[waltsrug]

Good luck with that request. The usual suspects will spout the usual nonsense. After all it's easy to be desensitized and have internet muscles.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

...on both this board and the test board?

I know everybody today is in support of the French and the losses they have had overnight.

Can we continue being as sympathetic to them going forward. They have blood in these matters, just as we and many other nations do.

Thanks for your consideration of this request in advance.

Agreed - our oldest ally certainly deserves better. So sad for the good people of France.

 

[Michael.Felli]

...on both this board and the test board?

I know everybody today is in support of the French and the losses they have had overnight.

Can we continue being as sympathetic to them going forward. They have blood in these matters, just as we and many other nations do.

Thanks for your consideration of this request in advance.

What? We can't tell jokes about the French, now? No wonder Jerry Seinfeld doesn't do colleges anymore. Geez!

 

[PSUfan98]

I feel for France as I felt for us on 911. That day literally changed the course of my life. I had a plan but then a had a duty and the duty won.

But please don't mistake calling for strength in the face of this threat for your perceived lack of French sympathy. It is not. These Muslim extremists know only physical force. You can't negotiate. You can only project power and give consequence to their actions.

So I don't know what mocking of the French has occurred or if it has occurred or if your pansy lefty leanings get your panties in a bunch over people simply believing that France needs to take a tougher stance. I slept in this morning so this is the first thread that I opened. But calling for strength should not be misconstrued or misrepresented as mocking. Anyone legitimately mocking, I do agree should stop.

 

[91Joe95]

I feel for France as I felt for us on 911. That day literally changed the course of my life. I had a plan but then a had a duty and the duty won.

But please don't mistake calling for strength in the face of this threat for your perceived lack of French sympathy. It is not. These Muslim extremists know only physical force. You can't negotiate. You can only project power and give consequence to their actions.

So I don't know what mocking of the French has occurred or if it has occurred or if your pansy lefty leanings get your panties in a bunch over people simply believing that France needs to take a tougher stance. I slept in this morning so this is the first thread that I opened. But calling for strength should not be misconstrued or misrepresented as mocking. Anyone legitimately mocking, I do agree should stop.

I think he's talking about putting the French jokes on hiatus as opposed to discussing their policies.

 

[BobPSU92]

Is it now insensitive to say "Lighten up, Francis."?

 

[91Joe95]

Is it now insensitive to say "Lighten up, Francis."?

OK, I chuckled.

 

[PSUfan98]

I think he's talking about putting the French jokes on hiatus as opposed to discussing their policies.

Maybe, but I just read through the original thread on the attacks in France and didn't find that. I did find people advocating stronger policies and pointing out things that could have lead to a greater risk for France and for the US.

I also found one of my posts responding to someone directly questioning my assertion that the Muslim Extremists exploit our sensitivity and political correctness deleted because it listed half a dozen examples of this by their political overlord (my post was not political, it simply answered the question with examples without addressing the political reasons why). Then another advocating strength had posted about his posts being deleted.

This is censorship. When posters post in the same threads following the same rules and those rules are applied unevenly based on political beliefs, then we have a problem. One political belief feels as if they can't compete on ideas but they can delete the ideas from this board that they don't want proliferated.

So I don't think the OP is calling out people making fun of France. I read the entire thread and saw no evidence of that. I think this is his passive aggressive way of veiling the idea that posters should not post ideas critical of his beliefs because he and his pals are not capable of defending them in the face of such horrible evidence.

 

[demlion]

Maybe, but I just read through the original thread on the attacks in France and didn't find that. I did find people advocating stronger policies and pointing out things that could have lead to a greater risk for France and for the US.

I also found one of my posts responding to someone directly questioning my assertion that the Muslim Extremists exploit our sensitivity and political correctness deleted because it listed half a dozen examples of this by their political overlord (my post was not political, it simply answered the question with examples without addressing the political reasons why). Then another advocating strength had posted about his posts being deleted.

This is censorship. When posters post in the same threads following the same rules and those rules are applied unevenly based on political beliefs, then we have a problem. One political belief feels as if they can't compete on ideas but they can delete the ideas from this board that they don't want proliferated.

So I don't think the OP is calling out people making fun of France. I read the entire thread and saw no evidence of that. I think this is his passive aggressive way of veiling the idea that posters should not post ideas critical of his beliefs because he and his pals are not capable of defending them in the face of such horrible evidence.

Oh come off it. censorship is when the GOVERNMENT stifles or silences your speech. This is a private message board brought to you by your friends in the free market. if the free market does not want your speech, then you do not get to be heard. I have a pile of scribbled gibberish that I think is the Great American Novel, but nobody will publish it. Ooooooo, Censorship? No, unmarketable writing.

 

[91Joe95]

Maybe, but I just read through the original thread on the attacks in France and didn't find that. I did find people advocating stronger policies and pointing out things that could have lead to a greater risk for France and for the US.

I also found one of my posts responding to someone directly questioning my assertion that the Muslim Extremists exploit our sensitivity and political correctness deleted because it listed half a dozen examples of this by their political overlord (my post was not political, it simply answered the question with examples without addressing the political reasons why). Then another advocating strength had posted about his posts being deleted.

This is censorship. When posters post in the same threads following the same rules and those rules are applied unevenly based on political beliefs, then we have a problem. One political belief feels as if they can't compete on ideas but they can delete the ideas from this board that they don't want proliferated.

So I don't think the OP is calling out people making fun of France. I read the entire thread and saw no evidence of that. I think this is his passive aggressive way of veiling the idea that posters should not post ideas critical of his beliefs because he and his pals are not capable of defending them in the face of such horrible evidence.

I will say that I have observed the mods at night are different than the mods during the day. I think they come from rivals central co and only show up when a post is reported. There's one who came over and posted before deleting the entire thread and you would think he was a troll. Maybe his post got reported? I don't know, it was weird though.

 

[91Joe95]

Oh come off it. censorship is when the GOVERNMENT stifles or silences your speech. This is a private message board brought to you by your friends in the free market. if the free market does not want your speech, then you do not get to be heard. I have a pile of scribbled gibberish that I think is the Great American Novel, but nobody will publish it. Ooooooo, Censorship? No, unmarketable writing.

Its still censorship, its just legal. Its also perfectly acceptable for a business to do.

 

[LionDeNittany]

...on both this board and the test board?

I know everybody today is in support of the French and the losses they have had overnight.

Can we continue being as sympathetic to them going forward. They have blood in these matters, just as we and many other nations do.

Thanks for your consideration of this request in advance.

This is one of the most bizarre requests I've seen on a message board. France vs. US perception has been around since Reagan. They view the US as aggressive, knuckle dragging, war mongers and we view them as accordion carrying weaklings. A message board post will not change that.

 

[LioninHouston]

People often don't understand, France has the highest Muslim population in Europe.

All of the euros lean heavily on North African and middle eastern immigrants for manual labor. It's a powder keg.

It is sad because they multiply like rabbits too. We all know how this will play out over time. France has no hope in winning this battle.
They could have stopped the influx many years ago but it was deemed "insensitive". If you want your country to be just like the Middle East, then allow them to come on in. They don't assimilate.

 

[PSUfan98]

Oh come off it. censorship is when the GOVERNMENT stifles or silences your speech. This is a private message board brought to you by your friends in the free market. if the free market does not want your speech, then you do not get to be heard. I have a pile of scribbled gibberish that I think is the Great American Novel, but nobody will publish it. Ooooooo, Censorship? No, unmarketable writing.

False equivalency but not surprising from lawyer hell-bent on achieving a result despite knowing what he writes is false. No one is publishing anything here. It is in fact a public space no? If it is not welcoming to persons of certain political beliefs then they need to publish that so that we all know that is the case and it will become their private political groupthink space which is apparently that which you advocate. Do that and I guarantee the free market will respond appropriately.

But on a more fundamental level, why are you afraid to let ideas compete with your own? If you have it right, you should encourage others to challenge those ideas. If you are an honest person who is concerned with getting to the best solutions, you might even go further to welcome competing ideas and be willing to change your initial assumptions as new ideas emerge with improved legitimacy. OR now this is going to really freak you out, we could have people with all different points of view contribute and we work together to achieve the optimal solutions to issues facing us. That's almost like how our great Nation was designed to work. But I know, it must seem so archaic to you. Now go back to advocating for censoring ideas that don't conform.

 

[Mixolydian]

Oh come off it. censorship is when the GOVERNMENT stifles or silences your speech. This is a private message board brought to you by your friends in the free market. if the free market does not want your speech, then you do not get to be heard. I have a pile of scribbled gibberish that I think is the Great American Novel, but nobody will publish it. Ooooooo, Censorship? No, unmarketable writing.

Hogwash. The free market didn't decide whether those specific posts stayed or got nuked, a single moderator (censor) did. And that is actually ok. Folks don't have to frequent this board over the long haul if they don't like the way the board is moderated (censored).

 

[91Joe95]

This is one of the most bizarre requests I've seen on a message board. France vs. US perception has been around since Reagan. They view the US as aggressive, knuckle dragging, war mongers and we view them as accordion carrying weaklings. A message board post will not change that.

They assimilate pretty darn well in the US, but then again almost every population does. I have my theories on that. Its long, wordy, and like most of my posts, probably wrong, so I'll spare everyone the prose.

 

[JoeBatters1]

This thread should be moved to the test board.

 

[mn78psu83]

This is one of the most bizarre requests I've seen on a message board. France vs. US perception has been around since Reagan. They view the US as aggressive, knuckle dragging, war mongers and we view them as accordion carrying weaklings. A message board post will not change that.

accordion carrying weaklings - I laughed so hard my solar plexus erupted like a volcano.

 

[Ten Thousan Marbles]

I did not notice that a thread had been removed, and I don't see what that has to do with junior high level jokes about the French that we have often seen here.

As Mid eloquently stated: they remain #1 on the list of our oldest allies.

 

[BobPSU92]

 

[NittPicker]

Is it now insensitive to say "Lighten up, Francis."?

In honor of the French it's now, "Lighten up, François."

 

[TheGLOV]

...on both this board and the test board?

I know everybody today is in support of the French and the losses they have had overnight.

Can we continue being as sympathetic to them going forward. They have blood in these matters, just as we and many other nations do.bug-time oranc

Thanks for your consideration of this request in advance.

No!

We mock the French for several historical and factual reasons.

So no!

Apples & Big Time Oranges OP.

We do have sympathy for the recent attack.

 

[ThePennsyOracle]

We should all get permits and carry around Colt Model 1911s.

Problem solved.

Someone runs into a restaurant shouting Allau Akhbar, they'll be put down immediately.

 

[LioninHouston]

They assimilate pretty darn well in the US, but then again almost every population does. I have my theories on that. Its long, wordy, and like most of my posts, probably wrong, so I'll spare everyone the prose.

27 honor killings per year in the US suggest otherwise.

 

[MtNittany]

Not sure. Can you stop mocking American conservatives and anyone who doesn't agree with your view on anything and everything in this world?

 

[demlion]

Hogwash. The free market didn't decide whether those specific posts stayed or got nuked, a single moderator (censor) did. And that is actually ok. Folks don't have to frequent this board over the long haul if they don't like the way the board is moderated (censored).

I guess we have different ideas regarding the free market, and the meaning of CENSORSHIP. This is a for-profit enterprise and the moderator represents it. S/he makes judgments about what to cut out, and cuts it out. If s/he cuts stuff that too many people think ought to stay, s/he eventually loses business to the point where the site ceases to operate. 98 is free to take a hike and spew his speech elsewhere, and the moderator is free to delete his posts if he stays or ban him entirely.

cen·sor·ship
ˈsensərˌSHip/
noun
noun: censorship
the practice of officially examining books, movies, etc., and suppressing unacceptable parts.

cen·sor
ˈsensər/
noun
noun: censor; plural noun: censors
1.
an official who examines material that is about to be released, such as books, movies, news, and art, and suppresses any parts that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security.

A censor is an official of the government. Ain't no government here; therefore ain't no censor or censorship here.

 

[Mixolydian]

I guess we have different ideas regarding the free market, and the meaning of CENSORSHIP. This is a for-profit enterprise and the moderator represents it. S/he makes judgments about what to cut out, and cuts it out. If s/he cuts stuff that too many people think ought to stay, s/he eventually loses business to the point where the site ceases to operate. 98 is free to take a hike and spew his speech elsewhere, and the moderator is free to delete his posts if he stays or ban him entirely.

cen·sor·ship
ˈsensərˌSHip/
noun
noun: censorship
the practice of officially examining books, movies, etc., and suppressing unacceptable parts.

cen·sor
ˈsensər/
noun
noun: censor; plural noun: censors
1.
an official who examines material that is about to be released, such as books, movies, news, and art, and suppresses any parts that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security.

A censor is an official of the government. Ain't no government here; therefore ain't no censor or censorship here.

Thanks for that distinction without a difference. There will be "officials" on the fields of football games all over America today. Perhaps they work for the government. As inept as so many of them are, I guess it wouldn't totally surprise me.

 

[Obliviax]

I think it may be the French who are now making fun of the USA.

But lets put that aside for a little while. The Euros are in deep $hit, and today I think they know that. This includes the most conservative leader in the zone, Merkel. The populations of the European countries has been dwindling in striking fashion. Euros don't have large families. So they've opened their boarders to maintain a suitable workforce. (The russians now have a procreation day and give you the equivalent of $10k to get pregnant because nobody wants to immigrate there). The US has done the same, the difference is that we get our immigrants two ways: Illegally from, mostly, Mexico and legally through our education and skilled labor system. Bottom line is that the immigrants we get either share our Judeo/Christian culture or are highly educated/skilled. Euro gets most of theirs form the middle east or north africa, cultures completely unlike Europe's. Most importantly, they do not share the separation of church and state. For them religion, law & politics are all the same.

The real problem is that a Radical Syrian, illegally immigrated to France, can easily get a French passport and come into the USA with no Visa and no tracking mechanism. Bottom line, light terrorism will be in the USA within the next year or two.

Bottom line is that western countries need to do something about managing immigration and fast. It may already be too late. If France/England try to put a cork in that bottle, look for riots in their heavy immigrant areas. If not, look for more terrorist activities. There is going to need to be a balance between protecting people from ISIS-like terrorism and immigrant/civil rights.

If you haven't seen the video that ISIS released claiming its a video of the Russian jet liner blowing up, you should see it...very chilling.

 

[MtNittany]

Good post Obli. I read a good article on the birth rates of all these countries and they're all in the 1.3 - 1.9 range - which is unsustainable. Meanwhile the muslim immigrants were in the 5-7 range. It isn't hard to figure out what's going to happen (and much sooner than most would think).

 

[WishfulLion]

I hate to agree with Demlion, but if the moderators choose to ban those with traditional American beliefs, then it is their right to do so.

This board is a private enterprise.

I do wonder if Demlion would have the same opinion about a private enterprise that was under attack from liberals.....or if he would say that the liberals have the right to sue them.

 

[Blueblood4eva]

accordion carrying weaklings - I laughed so hard my solar plexus erupted like a volcano.

Hey....I played the accordion as a kid and do not resemble this remark! It is funny however and I must admit, my mother made me do it. Maybe I'm not so tough? Nah, bomb them into extinction or use drones like some in DC would prefer.

 

[mn78psu83]

Hey....I played the accordion as a kid and do not resemble this remark! It is funny however and I must admit, my mother made me do it. Maybe I'm not so tough? Nah, bomb them into extinction or use drones like some in DC would prefer.

My father-in-law grew up in the coal region - Shenandoah, PA. He last lived there in 1941 and then was off to WWII, but as you know the accordion was/is big in the coal region. One Christmas as a child he was sure he was going to get a train set. It was going to be the best Christmas ever. His mother got him an accordion instead because it was her dream that he would be a great accordion player. He was musically gifted with no interest in the accordion. He is 92 going on 93 and will still every once in a while bring this episode up and appear as if he is almost going to cry. My wife and I have to do everything we can not to laugh. The guy was traumatized by the accordion.

 

[rotzc]

The main problem is we are civilized people looking for acceptable civil ways of dispatching uncivilized people. It doesn't work. Fighting the Japanese from island to island has shown that brutally must be met with more brutal force. I just don't think the world has the stomach for what needs done. This will become the norm until we do.

Mohammed was the most popular baby name in Great Britain last year.

 

[simons96]

...on both this board and the test board?

I know everybody today is in support of the French and the losses they have had overnight.

Can we continue being as sympathetic to them going forward. They have blood in these matters, just as we and many other nations do.

Thanks for your consideration of this request in advance.

I don't agree with censorship, but you post implores some voluntary restraint in the face of tragedy.

truth be told, in the first 24-48 hours after a horrific event like this, the only decent response is one of compassion for the victims and survivors

any other commentary reeks of idiocy, lunacy, narcissism, or a host of mental disorders that indicate the person espousing these comments is a thoughtless, self centered tool. this is the time for unity and support, not mindless political agendas

there are posters here not too far removed from the dunderheads who continue to harass the families of the children murdered at Sandy Hook . . .

 

[simons96]

and historically speaking, anyone who doesn't realize there is NO United State of America WITHOUT France . . . just keep exposing yourselves as the idiots you really are. I am ashamed that proud ignorance seems to be a badge of honor among a certain political set . . .

 

[Blueblood4eva]

My father-in-law grew up in the coal region - Shenandoah, PA. He last lived there in 1941 and then was off to WWII, but as you know the accordion was/is big in the coal region. One Christmas as a child he was sure he was going to get a train set. It was going to be the best Christmas ever. His mother got him an accordion instead because it was her dream that he would be a great accordion player. He was musically gifted with no interest in the accordion. He is 92 going on 93 and will still every once in a while bring this episode up and appear as if he is almost going to cry. My wife and I have to do everything we can not to laugh. The guy was traumatized by the accordion.

Funny story. My Mom is Italian and so was my teacher but I still tell stories today, about how I could have been a famous rock star. No regrets on learning about music but the other choice was guitar! Duh....

 

[PSUfan98]

I hate to agree with Demlion, but if the moderators choose to ban those with traditional American beliefs, then it is their right to do so.

This board is a private enterprise.

I do wonder if Demlion would have the same opinion about a private enterprise that was under attack from liberals.....or if he would say that the liberals have the right to sue them.

It is a private enterprise but the board is not advertised as exclusive to liberals, it is simply moderated that way. There are issues with that. So a church cannot refuse to marry a gay couple against their beliefs but this private company can deny the same service to a customer based upon their beliefs? Other businesses can't refuse to serve customers of certain beliefs or certain groups but this business can? Aside from the legal implications, it is just plain wrong and bad business.

If this board is for liberals only, then they should advertise it as such and write board rules to reflect that. But deleting posts and banning posters because you can't compete with their ideas is very telling. I don't know about you but it kind of means that every argument they make is undermined by their need to censor opposing ideas. Therefore, any reasonable person can conclude that those being censored on the issues were in fact correct on the issues to an extent that the opposition needed to silence them.

 

[mn78psu83]

I guess we have different ideas regarding the free market, and the meaning of CENSORSHIP. This is a for-profit enterprise and the moderator represents it. S/he makes judgments about what to cut out, and cuts it out. If s/he cuts stuff that too many people think ought to stay, s/he eventually loses business to the point where the site ceases to operate. 98 is free to take a hike and spew his speech elsewhere, and the moderator is free to delete his posts if he stays or ban him entirely.

cen·sor·ship
ˈsensərˌSHip/
noun
noun: censorship
the practice of officially examining books, movies, etc., and suppressing unacceptable parts.

cen·sor
ˈsensər/
noun
noun: censor; plural noun: censors
1.
an official who examines material that is about to be released, such as books, movies, news, and art, and suppresses any parts that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security.

A censor is an official of the government. Ain't no government here; therefore ain't no censor or censorship here.

As do many things, that connotation of the term goes back to the Romans. Censor was an official office.

LINK: Roman Censor

Part of it pertained to the control of the "public moral."

From their classification of the population developed another duty: they had to see who was worthy of the equestrian and senatorial rank, a responsibility laid down in the fourth-century Lex Ovinia. This was called the regimen morum, the control of the public moral. For example, the censor Marcus Porcius Cato once expelled a man from the Senate because he had kissed his wife in public, something that was regarded as undignified behavior, unfitting for a member of this august house. Because the regimen morum was a very important responsibility, the censorship became increasingly a magistracy for former consuls.

 

[GregInPitt]

I feel for France as I felt for us on 911. That day literally changed the course of my life. I had a plan but then a had a duty and the duty won.

But please don't mistake calling for strength in the face of this threat for your perceived lack of French sympathy. It is not. These Muslim extremists know only physical force. You can't negotiate. You can only project power and give consequence to their actions.

So I don't know what mocking of the French has occurred or if it has occurred or if your pansy lefty leanings get your panties in a bunch over people simply believing that France needs to take a tougher stance. I slept in this morning so this is the first thread that I opened. But calling for strength should not be misconstrued or misrepresented as mocking. Anyone legitimately mocking, I do agree should stop.

+1. Pointing out the stupidity of the far left liberal policies and ideals that contribute to tragedies such as what happened in France is not moching. It's a discussion that some here hope will lead to abandoning similar behavior and policies within the current US government.

"Moching", verb (used with object)
1.
to attack or treat with ridicule, contempt, or derision.
2.
to ridicule by mimicry of action or speech; mimic derisively.
3.
to mimic, imitate, or counterfeit.
4.
to challenge; defy:
His actions mock convention.
5.
to deceive, delude, or disappoint.
verb (used without object)
6.
to use ridicule or derision; scoff; jeer (often followed by at).
noun
7.
a contemptuous or derisive imitative action or speech; mockery orderision.
8.
something mocked or derided; an object of derision.
9.
an imitation; counterfeit; fake.