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I expect Beaver Stadium to be restricted access, so won’t be a full whiteout. But I’d bet before October (or whatever date might be a 100k whiteout), EPL or other stadiums, NFL in certain states, or other large forums will be back at full capacity. And I don’t expect the “spikes” any more than the “wait two weeks” spikes we never saw from beaches, St Pattys Day, elections, or any of the other things that concerned people.
I get my flu shot every year and am up to date with all the shots that my doctor prescribes. Rushing a vaccine to market has risks and I would not be in the first wave to receive it. I'll watch what happens and act accordingly.
FWIW, there was a recent interview with MN infectious disease expert Michael Osterholm who studied the MERS virus extensively. MERS is also a beta coronavirus closely related to SARS. It is less transmissible but significantly more deadly. It has an animal reservoir in camels. Osterholm said that the camel herders who contracted and survived MERS developed durable immunity from their infection. They could go back amongst the camels without getting the disease again.
Doesn't end well for most of those who didnt take it either.
Too early to decide for me. At least one company is skipping the animal trials. I'll want to understand their development process and steps to ensure safety before I get any type of vaccine.
I read that as well. I've been around camels in Egypt... you can live with them everyday you should count your blessings getting sick.. probably an improvement lol. Thanks for reminding me about that article.
I'm out for the same reason. This vaccine is being rushed and probably not undergoing all the safety protocols.
I did not get a flu vaccine for the 1st 10 years after I retired from the military. I was fine. The last few years because of my work in medical environments I have been forced to get a flu shot. Haven't noticed any more protection. I have had Hepatitis series vaccines, and a host of others. I am not opposed to vaccines. I think they re especially important for infants and younger kids.
I will not get the vaccine, as someone already posted, let someone else be the guinea pig. Vaccines generally take 5 to 20 years to develop, obviously any Covid vaccine will not have been tested and we would not know the possible long term effects.
When considering rushed to market vaccines, do some research on Gulf War Syndrome, caused by vaccines given to the military.
If you are healthy, you have a much higher risk of dying from a car accident than Covid. If you are worried about Covid, do what Cletus is doing, get in shape and clean up your diet. I need to lose my Covid 7.
When considering rushed to market vaccines, do some research on Gulf War Syndrome, caused by vaccines given to the military.
If you are healthy, you have a much higher risk of dying from a car accident than Covid. If you are worried about Covid, do what Cletus is doing, get in shape and clean up your diet. I need to lose my Covid 7.
If a vaccine comes to market before late 2021, it means it will NOT have been through all the testing the FDA claims is essential and won't compromise on in every other circumstance.
As a healthy 40 something with an infintessimal chance if dying from covid-19, I will not be rushing to get the vaccine. Also, I have gotten a flu shot once in my life, to placate my wife when our daughter was about to be born. Have had the flu once in my adult life, maybe.
Nice. Stick to your guns man. If you've only had it once, you probably won't get it again.
Society is merely waiting for a vaccine to be available. Doesn't matter if people actually take it.
What type of intermittent fasting do you do? I've had good luck with one 24-hour fast per week. That allows me to be very flexible in terms of eating out, breakfast with a friend, etc. Curious to hear what has worked for you.
I'm with you. And the Vaccine should be made available to the elderly and those with health issues first.
We should be able to have more accelerated timelines in this era especially when the whole world is working on this.
Judging from the retirement thread earlier today pretty much this entire board should be lined up around the block waiting for the vaccine.
Docs that work in a large healthcare system are already mandated to have a documented yearly flu vaccine . I’m sure the hospital BOTs will mandate this as well . At least we won’t have to wait in line .
For the rest of your and their lives? And if there is no Vaccine you will never visit your parents again?
I think it will go to hospital personnel first, followed by police/fire/EMTs. But who knows what will happen. Let's see it happen, first, and I'm not betting the rent on that.
to be honest, did not do any real research on intermittent fasting. I talked to a couple of friends at a party that swore by it and what they said made sense to me. I can tell you for background, i am mid 40's, reasonably fit, always been relatively healthy. 5'10" and my fighting weight in college was in the mid 160's. mostly hang around 170-180 in my 30's but that crept up to 190 when i hit 40 and i went on my first big diet and lost 25 pounds down to 165. a year later i was back in the 180's as i could not hold it. Did the same thing three years ago with losing 25 pounds in about 3 months through just massive diet and exercise kick and again, a year later i am back in the mid 180's. Probably sounds familiar to some.
So Jan 1, went on another massive diet an lost 15 pounds in a month and then went intermittent fasting and have held 165-167 for 3+ straight months. Weigh myself every morning before getting in the shower.
My regime is only eat between noon and 8 O'clock. Fast for 16 hours in between. Black coffee in the morning (was told even the cream and sugar are enough to prevent the benefits). For lunch I have gone mostly vegetarian. I will eat fruit, veges, yogurt, cheese, and have gotten into making my own nut mix (store bought are over salted for me) so I get all different kinds of lightly salted nuts and mix them in the ratio's I like. Also have been eating a lot of overnight oats and think they are pretty tasty and filling and super easy to make and doctor up a little bit with added fruits, granola, peanut butter, etc.... Normal dinner. Dessert whenever I want probably 3-4 times per week.
Keys to me for why i can maintain....(1) I now walk for at least 60 minutes and try to get to 90 minutes every evening. Used to run but now hurts too much so walking it is, I walk at a fast pace, about 1000 steps per 10 minutes. Throw on the headphones and do podcasts or pandora or make some phone calls. Really good for clearing your head also. (2) really tried to cut out bread, I am not Atkins diet, but I really thing switching lunch from a sandwich and chips to what I explained above has helped a ton. (3) portion control, for lunch, i put a reasonable amount of food on my plate (apple, carrots, hunk of cheese and a handful of nuts for instance) and that is what I eat. (4) I drink mostly water, look at how many calories in a can of soda or glass of sweet tea or lemonade. Not saying I won't ever drink a soda, but i think of sugar drinks more like a desert now. And finally, you get a little hungry now and then. So it is a little bit of mental game which I think I finally figured out how to win that game. I just think to myself when I am hungry at 11AM or 4 PM and want to snack, that hunger is a good thing because it means you are losing weight.
I can tell you for those who are thinking about trying, the first few weeks are tough. Your body wants to rebel when you change your diet and eat a little less. When you reduce the amount of sugar that you intake. But once you get past those first 3 weeks or so, your body adapts and then it is just normal.
So Jan 1, went on another massive diet an lost 15 pounds in a month and then went intermittent fasting and have held 165-167 for 3+ straight months. Weigh myself every morning before getting in the shower.
My regime is only eat between noon and 8 O'clock. Fast for 16 hours in between. Black coffee in the morning (was told even the cream and sugar are enough to prevent the benefits). For lunch I have gone mostly vegetarian. I will eat fruit, veges, yogurt, cheese, and have gotten into making my own nut mix (store bought are over salted for me) so I get all different kinds of lightly salted nuts and mix them in the ratio's I like. Also have been eating a lot of overnight oats and think they are pretty tasty and filling and super easy to make and doctor up a little bit with added fruits, granola, peanut butter, etc.... Normal dinner. Dessert whenever I want probably 3-4 times per week.
Keys to me for why i can maintain....(1) I now walk for at least 60 minutes and try to get to 90 minutes every evening. Used to run but now hurts too much so walking it is, I walk at a fast pace, about 1000 steps per 10 minutes. Throw on the headphones and do podcasts or pandora or make some phone calls. Really good for clearing your head also. (2) really tried to cut out bread, I am not Atkins diet, but I really thing switching lunch from a sandwich and chips to what I explained above has helped a ton. (3) portion control, for lunch, i put a reasonable amount of food on my plate (apple, carrots, hunk of cheese and a handful of nuts for instance) and that is what I eat. (4) I drink mostly water, look at how many calories in a can of soda or glass of sweet tea or lemonade. Not saying I won't ever drink a soda, but i think of sugar drinks more like a desert now. And finally, you get a little hungry now and then. So it is a little bit of mental game which I think I finally figured out how to win that game. I just think to myself when I am hungry at 11AM or 4 PM and want to snack, that hunger is a good thing because it means you are losing weight.
I can tell you for those who are thinking about trying, the first few weeks are tough. Your body wants to rebel when you change your diet and eat a little less. When you reduce the amount of sugar that you intake. But once you get past those first 3 weeks or so, your body adapts and then it is just normal.
I've seen this plan work well for people. One question: what do you do about times outside your window when you have to eat? Breakfast meeting or just breakfast with a friend? Late dinner? Do you just not eat? If you do eat, do you find it messes with you or are you able to get right back at it?
There are 12 in development (and all going through clinical trials). Not every one is working on all patients, but many are showing significant promise. The one I am most interested in is the one from Moderna in Rockville.
They are ALL under strict guidelines for safety. Since most of these are based off existing coronavirus treatments (or treatments that were in development for MERS, SARS, Ebola, etc) they already know most of the side effects.
If my wife tells me to get one of the vaccines, I'll be the first one in the door.
I know far too much of what is going on behind the scenes, so I need to stop.
I will get it ASAP. I have a close friend who works in this business and he says he and his family will be the first in line . Gotta trust someone and the people that develop these I view as a lot smarter than most who have an opinion. Just finished getting my second dose of the new shingles vaccine and it was the first vaccine to give me a small negative reaction, flu like symptoms for about 12 hours. I had nerve damage before which now seems to be healed so the new shot is highly effective avoiding shingles so the 12 hour discomfort is worth it to me. A friend last year got Shingles on his face and effected his vision and was just miserable for at least 6 months. My expert says we need at least 40% of people to get the Covid vaccine to get a good result.
I try not to eat breakfast. Literally will be at a conference and will just drink my black coffee while other eat breakfast. If I do have to eat breakfast for some reason, than i try to skip lunch or skip dinner. So try to eat only two meals per day. Let's say you know you are going to a party or out to eat and know you are going to eat a big dinner, then i only eat an apple for lunch knowing that i will be eating big at dinner. Or if i eat a big lunch for some reason, than just a salad for dinner. No issues with getting right back in the program.
As somebody mentioned before, I have heard of people going one straight day without eating, that would be tough. I will skip an occasional meal and go 24 hours fasting. Let's say I didn't have such a good week eating, I will skip a lunch on a Saturday or Sunday such that I will go dinner to dinner. Key is you don't then just eat some gigantic dinner but just a normal dinner. But I have done that once in a while as an easy way to drop a pound or pound and a half if you had a bad week.
My understanding is that some of these vaccines like one that researchers at Pitt worked on were in development a long time ago (10+ years), but funding dried up for further development when earlier corona viruses didn't have the staying power of this one. They basically have had a template for this in place and would probably use an updated synthesized spike protein based on a segment of the COVID-19 variant instead of early variants. That doesn't sound terribly dangerous compared to the possibility of unwittingly picking up a virus from an asymptomatic carrier that could kill me or nearly bankrupt me even if I survive. Many of the prescription drugs people take probably pose far more risk than a vaccine would. My bet would be the main danger would probably be the vaccine not giving enough immunity rather than some major unforeseen risk down the road. Sign me up if antibody testing shows I haven't already been exposed. Even though I'm rarely sick I'm male, over 50, could lose some weight (thinking of trying intermittent fasting, btw), work a desk job and my blood pressure is high at times.
I'm pro choice, let individual people decide if they want the vaccine, should never be mandated by the government.
Just to clarify something about the process of developing vaccines.
The first hurdle in the approval process is safety. They test for that before they test for efficacy. So any vaccine that goes to market will absolutely be safe (statistically speaking anyway; there is no way to ensure that every single person will react the same way, but this is true for all drugs and I don't see people panicking about the latest penis pill).
The worst thing that could happen is that it wouldn't work.
But that is absolutely no excuse to not get the vaccine as soon as it is available.
In fact, anyone who does get every relevant vaccine that is available to them is, and I cannot stress this enough, a complete moron.
The first hurdle in the approval process is safety. They test for that before they test for efficacy. So any vaccine that goes to market will absolutely be safe (statistically speaking anyway; there is no way to ensure that every single person will react the same way, but this is true for all drugs and I don't see people panicking about the latest penis pill).
The worst thing that could happen is that it wouldn't work.
But that is absolutely no excuse to not get the vaccine as soon as it is available.
In fact, anyone who does get every relevant vaccine that is available to them is, and I cannot stress this enough, a complete moron.
Enjoy your vaccine Grant, if one ever becomes available. I hope it works for you.
Just remember that the FDA can't pull approval for a dangerous drug that it first didn't approve as safe.
Lots of opinions here and everyone needs to do whats best for them. I never get the flu shot, never had the flu in recent memory. Had family members get the flu shot and get the flu. I live a healthy lifestyle, wash my hands all the time(even pre-Covid because just ewwwe people). Used hand sanitizer when needed. I will not get the vaccine unless I am comfortable with it and its safety. I have read too many stories about vaccines\meds rushed to market(because of all the lobbyist) that caused people problems. Just because it was approved doesn't mean it's safe. Has anyone read about Theranos and what they pulled off before it fell apart? I know its not meds but connections/networking/lobbying pushed them around safe guards that were supposed to be in place. If there is enough money on the line and it is being rushed, I don't feel it will be safe not matter what the FDA says. Look at the vaccine from the 50s that was mandated that made women sterile. I don't know why I don't trust anything these days until I am able to completely understand them and not just take peoples\new media word for it. Some will argue its a public health issue because you could spread it. Well, I can think of a lot of other public health issues that could be prevented with this same mind set. Why should I do something to my body that I don't want to just to benefit others who may or may not be doing the same thing?
I would not get one.
I've never had a flu shot. I'm 54 and have never had the flu
The odds of me getting C-19 and it killing me are actually less than me having a very bad negative reaction to a vaccine.
I've never had a flu shot. I'm 54 and have never had the flu
The odds of me getting C-19 and it killing me are actually less than me having a very bad negative reaction to a vaccine.
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