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I guess my point was that I don't think it matters who is dying, I believe that being vaccinated in order to save more from dying is a small price to pay. Maybe it depends on whether you think that the vaccination won't reduce subsequent deaths or whether those deaths will simply occur predominately in a segment you don't care about. I don't understand why you would choose not to receive a safe and effective vaccination even if there was a marginal chance to save a life. I'm getting on everyone's nerves and Tom has probably had enough of this so I'll back off from here on out.

I fully and 100% agreed with the initial lock-down and distancing so our medical community could get ahead of this virus. This thing was unprecedented and came at such a fast rate of contagion that we simply did not have the medical infrastructure to combat the virus. We did not have the medical beds, the respirators, the ventilators, the isolation chambers... The drastic step of a short term lock-down/distancing policy helped us get in front of it. We have now done that 100 times over. Our supply of ventilators, respirators, therapeutic drugs, isolation chambers and ability to simply identify the virus is a total different dynamic than it was in February. In addition to all of this, we now also have hard scientific data showing that this virus is really a true danger in terms of mortality rates to older people 70 and greater. Just my opinion that when you combine these things, I think it's time for us to move on with our lives. If you are a person who gets a flu shot every year, then good for you. If you are a person who does not get one, then so be it. Each and every year, my wife and our 2 girls get flu shots. I am 54, and I have never had the flu in my life and I have never had a flu shot in my life. So personally, I feel good about myself. Call it greedy, call it "not caring about others". But there are many things in our world where people "do not care about others" and we all exist. Next we can start up a campaign to make fried foods illegal, because any restaurant who serves fried foods does not care about people, because more people die of heart disease related to obesity than C-19.
 
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how one of these things relates to the other is beyond me.

You went down the line of "not caring about others". I was just pointing out that if we are going to begin forcing people to do things based on objective type principals then we are opening a huge onion.
 
It's not just about you. Just like the flu is not just about you, it is about being a vector for spread, covid is the same way.

Everyone should get every vaccine that is relevant to the geography that they live in. There is no good scientific reason not to and if you choose not to get a vaccine (be it covid or the flu or whatever) you are either ignorant or selfish or both.
Stop it. Plenty of people in the military who suffered from Gulf War Syndrome who disagree with you.

Plenty of people will disagree with you about the HPV vaccine too.

If they are so safe, why are vaccine manufacturers immune from liability?

Like anything you stick in your body, you research the benefits versus the possible side effects and make a decision.

Please, be first in line to get your vaccine.

I am not against vaccines. Have family member with a Phd in Nursing, who said they will not be getting a vaccine for Covid.
 
Well since I never get the flu shot there is no way I'm taking this one. With a .1% death rate or less biggest waste of time ever. And before anyone says the death rate is higher then that. It can't be if its as contagious as you all believe.

Well, unlike the flu shot, the primary reason for getting this shot/vaccine isn't for yourself, but rather for the sake of the high-risk group.
 
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It’s a public health issue. People who don’t get vaccines, flu or Covid-19 or whatever put not only themselves at risk but others who they come in contact with. My secretary would never get the flu vaccine and year after year she would be out of work for a week after coming in and infecting her coworkers. By reducing the universe of those who are at risk for infection, you are performing a public service. It’s not about keeping you healthy, it’s about keeping everyone healthy. I could never understand the logic of those who refused to get vaccinated for the flu.

^^ Nailed it ^^. And not coincidentally, this is exactly why all these lockdowns and REQUIRED/EXPECTED (voluntarily is fine) face coverings and "social distancing" is counter productive in getting past this virus.
 
Didn't we also take sugar cubes as a booster a decade or so later.

Not exactly. The vaccine you and millions of others took by injection in the mid- to late-50s was the one developed by Jonas Salk. The one taken by sugar cube starting sometime in the 60s was a different vaccine developed by Albert Sabin. The Sabin vaccine was considered to be superior and safer so parents were urged to have it administered to their children even if they already had the Salk vaccine.
 
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Not exactly. The vaccine you and millions of others took by injection in the mid- to late-50s was the one developed by Jonas Salk. The one taken by sugar cube starting sometime in the 60s was a different vaccine developed by Albert Sabin. The Sabin vaccine was considered to be superior and safer so parents were urged to have it administered to their children even if they already had the Salk vaccine.
After those three sugar cubes, I now seem to have lost my remembrance of a few years following the cubes.


 
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Interesting thread. For the record, I’ll follow the recommendations of my family Dr and cardiologist. If they say take it, I’ll get in line and get it as soon as possible.
 
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Don't think I would get it right away, shortly, but see how it goes for a little while before getting it.
 
Will not or are at least considering not taking the vaccine when\ if it is available. What is your position relative to receiving the vaccine ? Are in....out....or....maybe? Can the Govt compel its use?
Will not or are at least considering not taking the vaccine when\ if it is available. What is your position relative to receiving the vaccine ? Are in....out....or....maybe? Can the Govt compel its use?
Many people, too many people IMO, are awfulizing the hell out of this upcoming Covid vaccine. We have no good info to make an informed decision about it yet. Wait until it is available. Once It is, collect the info you need to make an informed decision and make a choice. That said, when it does become available I certainly hope the evidence is convincing that people should get the vaccine.
 
Well, unlike the flu shot, the primary reason for getting this shot/vaccine isn't for yourself, but rather for the sake of the high-risk group.
The high risk group can get the vaccine and be safe, isn't that how a vaccine works? If they get the vaccine, the rest of us do not need the vaccine.

If you are not at risk, go right ahead and take a vaccine that has zero long term testing.
 
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I have heard during my lifetime .....some interesting historical penalties for product liability.....true or not? Following are a list of myths I copied and pasted...some may fine interesting

The ancient Romans would have the civil engineer stand under the bridge they'd just built while a Legion marched over it. That's why Roman structures are still around today!

> May have been allegorical to describe what would happen to engineers if their bridges failed.

> Didn't we just have a pedestrian bridge collapse in Flordia... no big deal, there will be a few pigeon-holed to administer the blame.

Hammurabi's code:
> If a builder builds a house for a man and does not make its construction firm, and the house which he has built collapses and causes the death of the owner of the house, that builder shall be put to death.

> If it causes the death of the son of the owner of the house, they shall put to death a son of that builder.

> A similar story comes from World War II where an alarmingly high number of parachutes were failing to open when deployed. They started picking random chutes and their packer and sent them up for a test drop. The malfunction rate dropped to near zero.

> Heard a similar myth about a Danish king. We was tired of cannons blowing up so he ordered the manufacturer to sit on top of the cannon when it was fired the first time.

I wouldn’t worry about the forthcoming COVID-19 vaccine. Two of the main ingredients are glyphosate and talc.
 
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Stop it. Plenty of people in the military who suffered from Gulf War Syndrome who disagree with you.

Plenty of people will disagree with you about the HPV vaccine too.

If they are so safe, why are vaccine manufacturers immune from liability?

Like anything you stick in your body, you research the benefits versus the possible side effects and make a decision.

Please, be first in line to get your vaccine.

I am not against vaccines. Have family member with a Phd in Nursing, who said they will not be getting a vaccine for Covid.
This is one of the worst posts I have ever read on this board.

HPV vaccine is completely safe. The only people who oppose it are religious whackjobs who are against sex.

Your family member should have their PhD revoked.
 
It's not zero risk.

I will wait and see if I get it. I get boosters for tetanus and such. 1 flu shot and got the flu worse than I ever did before about 6 weeks after getting it. Friend from nhi doesn't get regular flu shots
Yeah, that's not at all how flu shots work. It is impossible to get the flu from a flu shot. But keep making things up.
 
The problem is there is not zero risk with vaccines. I know 2 different people that got Guilion Barre syndrome and one almost died. There is some thought that it could be related to vaccines.
"There is some thought" does not mean "there is scientific evidence to support." Try again. And get your vaccines!!!!!
 
There is NOT zero risk to me. ANY vaccine can cause a negative effect on ANYONE. Not every human body reacts the same. Heck, some people will throw up their guts by taking a simple Bayer aspirin. There is no way they can tell us that any drug, any medication, any vaccine is 100% safe for EVERYONE. Again... they can not even guarantee that on a bottle of Bayer.

Did you ever notice that every questionnaire at every doctors office always asks if you are allergic to any medications... what did you think that "Are you allergic to any of the following medications" question was all about???
I'm really shocked at how many people on this board are displaying their ignorance when it comes to vaccines.

Really sad....
 
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Yeah, that's not at all how flu shots work. It is impossible to get the flu from a flu shot. But keep making things up.
People keep saying this yet people keep getting sick from them. The first time I got a flu shot I got very sick. The second time I did not.
 
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People keep saying this yet people keep getting sick from them. The first time I got a flu shot I got very sick. The second time I did not.

You may not feel good, but it's not because the vaccine gave you the flu. It's because your immune system is doing exactly what it's supposed to do.
 
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Yeah, that's not at all how flu shots work. It is impossible to get the flu from a flu shot. But keep making things up.
I understand how they work, thats why I get all of my other ones, but not a flu shot that works 30% of the time. Like I said, if people who work for NHI dont get them either maybe is not somethign you need every year
 
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I understand how they work, thats why I get all of my other ones, but not a flu shot that works 30% of the time. Like I said, if people who work for NHI dont get them either maybe is not somethign you need every year
NHI? Is that the National Hypocrite Institute? Nationwide Hobo Initiative?
 
YOU are the one who dropped down to calling people "ignorant" and "jenny mccarthy" .... But I'm assuming that you are the intellect we should all listen to.
Yes. I'd be happy to compare credentials if you like.
 
I understand how they work, thats why I get all of my other ones, but not a flu shot that works 30% of the time. Like I said, if people who work for NHI dont get them either maybe is not somethign you need every year
Alright bison, which one is it? :confused:

Rank Abbr. Meaning
NHI National Health Insurance
NHI National Highway Institute
NHI Nomura Holdings, Inc. (Japan)
NHI National Historical Institute (Philippines)
NHI National Housing Institute
NHI National Holistic Institute
NHI National Health Index (New Zealand)
NHI Nuclear Hydrogen Initiative
NHI National Hispanic Institute
NHI Nebraska Heart Institute (Lincoln, NE)
NHI Natural Heritage Institute
NHI National Homelessness Initiative (Canada)
NHI National Heart Institute
NHI Not Handed In (school assignments)
NHI New Croat Initiative (Bosnia and Herzegovina)
NHI Native Health Initiative (est. 2004)
NHI Nikko Hotels International (Japan)
NHI Newspaper Holdings, Inc.
NHI No Human Involved
NHI Native Host Interface
NHI Never Heard of It
NHI NATO Helicopter Industries
NHI Neighborhood House, Inc. (various locations)
NHI Nitrogen Harvest Index
NHI Nielsen Homevideo Index
NHI Natural Hygiene Incorporated

Note: We have 66 other definitions for NHI in our Acronym Attic
 
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National Institute of Health. Guy who is actually also a UNC grad though undergrad was at Pitt so maybe thats why he doesnt get them either.
 
Alright bison, which one is it? :confused:

Rank Abbr. Meaning
NHI National Health Insurance
NHI National Highway Institute
NHI Nomura Holdings, Inc. (Japan)
NHI National Historical Institute (Philippines)
NHI National Housing Institute
NHI National Holistic Institute
NHI National Health Index (New Zealand)
NHI Nuclear Hydrogen Initiative
NHI National Hispanic Institute
NHI Nebraska Heart Institute (Lincoln, NE)
NHI Natural Heritage Institute
NHI National Homelessness Initiative (Canada)
NHI National Heart Institute
NHI Not Handed In (school assignments)
NHI New Croat Initiative (Bosnia and Herzegovina)
NHI Native Health Initiative (est. 2004)
NHI Nikko Hotels International (Japan)
NHI Newspaper Holdings, Inc.
NHI No Human Involved
NHI Native Host Interface
NHI Never Heard of It
NHI NATO Helicopter Industries
NHI Neighborhood House, Inc. (various locations)
NHI Nitrogen Harvest Index
NHI Nielsen Homevideo Index
NHI Natural Hygiene Incorporated

Note: We have 66 other definitions for NHI in our Acronym Attic
Actually Not handed in would be appropriate for most of todays online schooling...
 
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