OT: "Bulletproof" coffee?

[BoulderFish]

Recently heard of this on TOOS, and looked it up. 1-2 tablespoons of each unsalted butter and coconut oil in your morning coffee -- to give you boost of energy and focus. Supposedly good for your overall health as well.

Anyone ever try it?

I tried it for the first time this morning. Really did seem to work. Definitely good energy, and I stayed much more focused on my work than usual. Hope this is legit and not just a placebo effect.

If anyone else has tried it and has any feedback, I'd love to hear about it.

TIA

 

[nits74]

Recently heard of this on TOOS, and looked it up. 1-2 tablespoons of each unsalted butter and coconut oil in your morning coffee -- to give you boost of energy and focus. Supposedly good for your overall health as well.

Anyone ever try it?

I tried it for the first time this morning. Really did seem to work. Definitely good energy, and I stayed much more focused on my work than usual. Hope this is legit and not just a placebo effect.

If anyone else has tried it and has any feedback, I'd love to hear about it.

TIA

Good tip. I'll try it.

 

[LionDeNittany]

That's interesting. But you were the same guy pushing coconut water for hangovers a few years ago.

What investments do you have in coconuts?

 

[BoulderFish]

That's interesting. But you were the same guy pushing coconut water for hangovers a few years ago.

What investments do you have in coconuts?

Haha that's funny. Are you sure that was me? I remember being a part of that discussion, but was I "pushing" it? I heard -- perhaps on here? -- that coconut water was good for preventing hangovers, and tried it once or twice -- and it seemed to work. I don't remember ever feeling that strongly about it.

 

[OhioLion]

You may have more energy but you took in 11g of fat per tablespoon.
Add that 1-2 tablespoons and you have 34% of your suggested fat intake for the day.
Not sure how that trade off would be. If you are physically active, you could handle it.
Just a thought.

OL

 

[LionDeNittany]

Haha that's funny. Are you sure that was me? I remember being a part of that discussion, but was I "pushing" it? I heard -- perhaps on here? -- that coconut water was good for preventing hangovers, and tried it once or twice -- and it seemed to work. I don't remember ever feeling that strongly about it.

I'm 100% certain... well maybe 90% certain, that you tested out the coconut water for hangover theory on yourself.

It was one of those events you told us all about.

Pretty funny.

That said, thanks for bringing this idea up to us. I may try it.

LdN

 

[T J]

Recently heard of this on TOOS, and looked it up. 1-2 tablespoons of each unsalted butter and coconut oil in your morning coffee -- to give you boost of energy and focus. Supposedly good for your overall health as well.

Anyone ever try it?

I tried it for the first time this morning. Really did seem to work. Definitely good energy, and I stayed much more focused on my work than usual. Hope this is legit and not just a placebo effect.

If anyone else has tried it and has any feedback, I'd love to hear about it.

TIA

Ketones

Consider a low cost milk frother for blending.

Large amounts of fat should effectively kill the appetite for many hours, especially for people who are “ketoadapted” and used to eating a low-carb, high fat diet.

This could also provide plenty of energy by elevating ketone levels in the blood, which then become available as fuel for the brain.​

As always, consult your qualified and knowledgeable physician before making changes to your health care plan.

 

[Art]

Been around for 7-8 years. Nothing more than a marketing gimmick designed by a guy to boost sales of his mediocre, overpriced brand of coffee.

 

[Obliviax]

Been around for 7-8 years. Nothing more than a marketing gimmick designed by a guy to boost sales of his mediocre, overpriced brand of coffee.

ha. heard a guy interview in SoCal NPR. He inherited a Pomegranate farm and had no idea what to do with it. he was in marketing. so he hired a nutritionist to see what was in a Pom. He took what it had and started to market the Pom's benefits (while not talking about deficiencies like high sugar, etc.). He increased sales 10 times and since there aren't easy ways to grow Poms, supply and demand allowed him to charge a lot more. He sold the farm and bought a winery and has run that ever since.

Bottom line, Poms are not a lot different than any other fruit but the power of marketing is awesome.

 

[anon_1eeb2b426hv3y]

Been around for 7-8 years. Nothing more than a marketing gimmick designed by a guy to boost sales of his mediocre, overpriced brand of coffee.

And seems like a good idea to get someone a few steps closer to a heart attack. I'll not be trying to the recipe or the coffee.

 

[AldenT]

You may have more energy but you took in 11g of fat per tablespoon.
Add that 1-2 tablespoons and you have 34% of your suggested fat intake for the day.
Not sure how that trade off would be. If you are physically active, you could handle it.
Just a thought.

OL

Suggested by whom?

This is a staple of the high-fat low-carb diet (the ingredients that is, not the s**t coffee Art alluded to).

 

[BoulderFish]

Been around for 7-8 years. Nothing more than a marketing gimmick designed by a guy to boost sales of his mediocre, overpriced brand of coffee.

Have you tried it? (The recipe, not the coffee. Well, the coffee too I guess.)

 

[Art]

Have you tried it? (The recipe, not the coffee. Well, the coffee too I guess.)

No, why the hell would I? I drink enough coffee and my fat intake is more than sufficient. What happens chemically when the ingredients are combined that makes the whole greater than the sum of its parts?

As far as the coffee brand itself goes, when I first heard of it, it was ballyhooed as being free of "mycotoxins" that were claimed to be bad for one's health. They are. And the brand has about the same level as found in most other brands which don't cost over $25/lb and taste better.

 

[kijanalives]

Recently heard of this on TOOS, and looked it up. 1-2 tablespoons of each unsalted butter and coconut oil in your morning coffee -- to give you boost of energy and focus. Supposedly good for your overall health as well.

Anyone ever try it?

I tried it for the first time this morning. Really did seem to work. Definitely good energy, and I stayed much more focused on my work than usual. Hope this is legit and not just a placebo effect.

If anyone else has tried it and has any feedback, I'd love to hear about it.

TIA

Every morning.

I do pour-over 16 oz brew with filtered water
1 TB ea Grass Fed butter(Kerrygold) and Coconut Oil
Blend with a stick blender

There are many health benefits including the MCT in Coco oil, etc but I just love the taste at this point.

 

[kijanalives]

And seems like a good idea to get someone a few steps closer to a heart attack. I'll not be trying to the recipe or the coffee.

My LDL was cut in half after 6 months, no other real changes.

 

[BoulderFish]

No, why the hell would I? I drink enough coffee and my fat intake is more than sufficient. What happens chemically when the ingredients are combined that make the whole greater than the sum of its parts?

I was wondering that too.

My best guess: Nothing happens chemically. It's just a means, or a plan/process. It's just a means to get straight healthy fats without all the other unhealthy stuff that typically comes with the fat-filled foods (i.e. carbs in that muffin/cheesesteak/etc). Furthermore, accompanying it with morning coffee 1) You consume it before having the urge for the fat-filled foods; and 2) You get the caffeine boost as well.

 

[BoulderFish]

Every morning.

I do pour-over 16 oz brew with filtered water
1 TB ea Grass Fed butter(Kerrygold) and Coconut Oil
Blend with a stick blender

There are many health benefits including the MCT in Coco oil, etc but I just love the taste at this point.

1 TB grass-fed butter + 1 TB coconut oil is what I did too. I just stirred it, and that seemed fine to me.

Have you tried it with only (double) coconut oil, and no butter? I'm wondering what the butter brings that the coconut oil doesn't/can't.

 

[Art]

I was wondering that too.

My best guess: Nothing happens chemically. It's just a means, or a plan/process. It's just a means to get straight healthy fats without all the other unhealthy stuff that typically comes with the fat-filled foods (i.e. carbs in that muffin/cheesesteak/etc). Furthermore, accompanying it with morning coffee 1) You consume it before having the urge for the fat-filled foods; and 2) You get the caffeine boost as well.

Butter is a healthy fat? I'll have to let my doctor know because he keeps insisting that I curtail my intake.

 

[BoulderFish]

My LDL was cut in half after 6 months, no other real changes.

Yeah the myth that fat itself is the culprit wrt bad cholesterol levels and heart disease was busted a long time ago, and the FDA/AgDept finally got on board last year.

 

[BoulderFish]

Butter is a healthy fat? I'll have to let my doctor know because he keeps insisting that I curtail my intake.

Most (medical) doctors are idiots. Just an fyi.

 

[Art]

Most (medical) doctors are idiots. Just an fyi.

Oh, ok.

 

[Obliviax]

Oh, ok.

Not sure I'd call them idiots but I know several that thought Adkins was a nut who later went on the Adkins Diet and are great advocates.
As Dr. Abby used to say: Half of all Doctors gradated in the bottom half of their class.

 

[CentexLion]

Recently heard of this on TOOS, and looked it up. 1-2 tablespoons of each unsalted butter and coconut oil in your morning coffee -- to give you boost of energy and focus. Supposedly good for your overall health as well.

Anyone ever try it?

I tried it for the first time this morning. Really did seem to work. Definitely good energy, and I stayed much more focused on my work than usual. Hope this is legit and not just a placebo effect.

If anyone else has tried it and has any feedback, I'd love to hear about it.

TIA

I do this every now and then. Kerry butter, Coconut oil, and hand ground organic pour over coffee. I use my immersion hand blender to really emulsify it. Tastes good. Obviously plenty of energy. Plus, it makes me feel "full" a few hours later and not wanting to snack. Once a month type of thing

 

[Art]

Not sure I'd call them idiots but I know several that thought Adkins was a nut who later went on the Adkins Diet and are great advocates.
As Dr. Abby used to say: Half of all Doctors gradated in the bottom half of their class.

I've come across doctors who I've felt didn't know what they're doing. Simple solution: find another one that does.

 

[AldenT]

Not sure I'd call them idiots but I know several that thought Adkins was a nut who later went on the Adkins Diet and are great advocates.
As Dr. Abby used to say: Half of all Doctors gradated in the bottom half of their class.

Right, idiots is too strong, but they certainly aren't nutritionists. Hell, a doctor pushed the food pyramid most of us grew up on, telling us that low-fat was the way to go, meanwhile we are fatter than ever. It's in everyone's subconscious at this point.

I do keto as I've mentioned, and I love it. Very counterintuitive, but the science behind it is fascinating to say the least, to say nothing of of the results.

Atkins was definitely ahead of his time.

 

[BoulderFish]

Not sure I'd call them idiots but I know several that thought Adkins was a nut who later went on the Adkins Diet and are great advocates.
As Dr. Abby used to say: Half of all Doctors gradated in the bottom half of their class.

I'm obviously generalizing here, but MDs (the kind you visit at the doctor's office) aren't thinkers. They aren't problem solvers. They're memorize-rs. Symptom X, must be problem R -- Because they memorized that cause-effect while studying for a test in med school. They don't know/understand why problem R manifests itself with symptom X, and that limits their problem-solving ability.

Anyway, we're digressing.....

Bulletproof coffee!

 

[Peetz Pool Boy]

What investments do you have in coconuts?

I suspect none other than being one himself.

 

[BoulderFish]

I've come across doctors who I've felt didn't know what they're doing. Simple solution: find another one that does.

Yeah, that solution is about as simple as finding a needle in a haystack.

 

[Art]

Yeah, that solution is about as simple as finding a needle in a haystack.

Hmmmm, never dawned on me that I'd be good at that, too. I'll have to try it in my spare time.

 

[T J]

You may have more energy but you took in 11g of fat per tablespoon.
Add that 1-2 tablespoons and you have 34% of your suggested fat intake for the day.
Not sure how that trade off would be. If you are physically active, you could handle it.
Just a thought.

OL

Based on more modern research, quality fats msy be the primary preferred energy source in the diet, for much larger segments of the population.

The old calories in-calories out mantras worked in a laboratory Petti dish, but were gross misrepresentations of how the body actually works, again based upon newer research.

The old guidelines were not based in solid science. Newer research indicates the old diets were foundational to some very unhealthy and serious human disease conditions. Just google charts for the major disease rates after about 1977-1980, after the government issued their food guidelines that ran contrary to the science they themselves funded.

If you want your body to burn fat, you need to program it to do so. When you become "fat-adapted" your body prefers to burn fat and lots of people burn body fat, on so-called high fat diets.

As always - For info purposes only. Don't make changes to your overall health plan without contacting your knowledgeable medical practitioner.

 

[T J]

Butter is a healthy fat? I'll have to let my doctor know because he keeps insisting that I curtail my intake.

You should do so. Lots of doctors and health practitioners were taught guidelines that have not stood up to more modern medical evaluations. Getting the ingrained, misleading claims turned around is a massive, ongoing effort.

 

[T J]

Been around for 7-8 years. Nothing more than a marketing gimmick designed by a guy to boost sales of his mediocre, overpriced brand of coffee.

Actually there is much more to it.

Forget the brand of coffee part and focus on the potential health and energy aspects of the contribution to better lab results for lots of people.

 

[WeR0206]

All of this recent talk about MCT oil (a brand of this MCT oil is called Bulletproof, hence adding this MCT oil to your coffee makes it "bulletproof" coffee) mostly centers around folks who are eating a high fat (only good natural fats), moderate protein, low carb diet in order to get their bodies into nutritional ketosis. This diet was initially developed for folks that were type 2 diabetics and also back in the 20's for disorders such as epilepsy. Recent studies have found this diet is beneficial for pretty much anyone that doesn't have an insanely high carb tolerance (as we age and continue to consume carbs our bodies be less sensitive to insulin thus develope a carb intolerance or insulin insensitivity).

If you want to learn more about this diet/lifestyle I'd highly recommend watching any videos or reading any books by Dr. Stephen Phinney or Dr. Jeff Volek. They are the world leaders in this field and have done numerous peer reviewed and published studies. They wrote a few books together one of which is called "The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living". They found that about only 10% of people can handle continuous high amounts of carbs in their diets without eventually becoming a pre or type 2 diabetic at some point.

They also determined that the food pyramid that has been pushed to everyone the past few decades needs to be flipped upside down. Same thing goes with Sodium. There was a recent study published in the N.E. Journal of Medicine back in 2014 that found the optimum level of sodium intake (least mortality rate) is between 4 and 6 GRAMS per day. Which is at least twice what main stream folks advise (about 2.3 grams sodium/day).

I've been following this diet (70% cal from fat, 20% from protein, and 10% from carbs (mostly all from vegetables)) for about 1 month now and have lost about 20 lbs. This was only from adjusting my diet as I don't do any working out other than sports here and there on the weekends.

 

[T J]

And seems like a good idea to get someone a few steps closer to a heart attack. I'll not be trying to the recipe or the coffee.

Directly the opposite for huge numbers of people. The old low fat diet/high carb and low saturated fat diets dogma are linked to multiple, severe human health problems.

For example, iirc the 2015 US govt food guidelines buried this comment, but they now support unlimited dietary cholesterol, in general diets. Lots of trained individuals are still using old information, that was not supported by more modern research, covering many years.

Don't make changes to your individual health care program without contacting your qualified, knowledgeable medical practitioner.

 

[Art]

You should do so. Lots of doctors and health practitioners were taught guidelines that have not stood up to more modern medical evaluations. Getting the ingrained, misleading claims turned around is a massive, ongoing effort.

Actually there is much more to it.

Forget the brand of coffee part and focus on the potential health and energy aspects of the contribution to better lab results for lots of people.

Honestly, it's not going to make a whole hell of a lot of difference.

 

[T J]

Honestly, it's not going to make a whole hell of a lot of difference.

Honestly, it appears you may be significantly out of step with more modern research. It may or may not apply to you and yours, but the research points to results that may provide significant help for lots of people.

There is a problem. Many people were taught guidelines put out by the government that were not backed by good medical research. Harmful "old wives tales" (so to speak) are deeply ingrained in many areas, among professionals, trade organizations, food manufacturers, schools, etc.

Generally speaking, it can take five to ten years or more to try to get old information and bad guidelines flushed out of the system. Some practitioners will never change.

Some segments of the population are generally so set in their ways, they are not open to newer research. It's common that too many of those folks will just die off, perhaps prematurely, with their old and potentially more harmful habits.

Meanwhile, younger generations learn the more modern approaches, without having to "unlearn" info that was not backed by solid research. The young are not as conflicted by decades of false info and bad habits that were inflicted upon generations, by various agenda-driven individuals, with and without good intentions.

 

[anon_1eeb2b426hv3y]

Don't make changes to your individual health care program without contacting your qualified, knowledgeable medical practitioner.

I echo your last statement. You seem to have found something that works for you. I respect that you believe in it enough to share and try to help others. If your doctor says it's a good idea, who am I to disagree.

I expect my cardiologist will say NFW. But I'm always willing to test the things I think I know. If I'm wrong, I'll follow up with you.

 

[anon_1eeb2b426hv3y]

My LDL was cut in half after 6 months, no other real changes.

OK, that's impressive, almost no matter what your starting number was.
How many years ago did you do this?

 

[kijanalives]

OK, that's impressive, almost no matter what your starting number was.
How many years ago did you do this?

About 2.

 

[kijanalives]

1 TB grass-fed butter + 1 TB coconut oil is what I did too. I just stirred it, and that seemed fine to me.

Have you tried it with only (double) coconut oil, and no butter? I'm wondering what the butter brings that the coconut oil doesn't/can't.

I could google it but what I remember being told to me was the grass-fed cows create a different type/size of lipid in the butter, which is another source of good fat plus adding the creaminess of texture. Never tried double coco, no butter.