If I’m not mistaken, his nephew was not only lacking in talent but was addicted to drugs and appeared in porn. Isn’t that right?
OT: FYI, JZ says Newsweek article is still a go. (edit: Story now spiked)
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If I’m not mistaken, his nephew was not only lacking in talent but was addicted to drugs and appeared in porn. Isn’t that right?
and had a sexual preference his family blamed on Joe
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I forgot about that part. Did he also stay at Sandusky’s house for awhile? Or am I misremembering that?
Not sure about the porn. I remember reading that he worked as a male escort and died of an overdose.
Joe not playing him would seem to have been the least of his problems.
That sounds right about the escort part. I may have confused that with the porn.
Surma was a piece of work.
Found hanging out in Boalsburg too often
Two more of Vic Surma’s posts during this period via a word document from a former player -
Can you imagine Paterno and (moe, larry) & Curley donating money to a former player in trouble. They would sell adsvertising on the soles of the players cleats if they could upgrade their cadillac escalades, free gas and other perks. You know what kind of people we're dealing with. We've all played for him--the biggest fraud of the college football world. To expect Paterno and his gang to help is a dream.....try to get blood out of a stone....good luck.
Does this sound like the Joe Paterno who would visit Adam Taliferro in a Philadelphia hospital constantly during his injury?
Victor Surma <vsurma8215@> wrote: The Rat has hurt so many young men; destroyed their self esteem, ruined their confidence, etc. I feel it is my obligation to expose hisfraud to the nastional media before he ckecks out I'm starting with the Pittsburgh reporter and hope to take his fraud national!!! I hope you understand. I was a 3 year letterman, have no axe to grind ; just want to set the record straight on the RATS legacy. Vic SEvidently Victor’s name for Joe was “The Rat”. He says “I have no axe to grind” Well you could have fooled us Vic. This display of antipathy and vitriol on a listserv for former players seems to show the Pittsburg dentist to be completely unhinged by his anger. Why? Was Joe tough on him at practice? Or did Joe fail to play his son enough?
Who are these "100's of young men's lives that have been destroyed"?
Certainly not Dan Conroy (sic) Connor. Connor was upset with linebacker coach Joe Sarra who is not mentally challenged and Vic Surma claims Dan was not punished enough.
Jim Kollars, the other player mentioned in Victor's post, did break the rule about drinking in public and evidently holds no ill will toward Joe for being dismissed for violating that rule. 40 years of therapy? There is no evidence to support Vic’s claim the successful Vet had any problem dealing with his dismissal from the team for violation of team rules. His successful life as a Vet proves Vic's claim to be wrong.
It's sad that the media didn't run with the office of the attorney general's praising of Joe in November 2011 for his actions or fina's exoneration of Joe (no evidence of a cover up) a couple years later.
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No, not really. The upcoming movie sparked an interest in me and I was curious to see what you people were saying about things now.
File this under "we'll never know," but I would argue that Penn State could have (at least) mitigated the toxicity of those comments had they chosen to do so.
And yet they chose to hire him for that purpose.
Yes, I do. You may recall this article. As @Misder2 reminds us, it was Noonan who converted the press into openly speculating about Paterno's role. And the board's subsequent mishandling of the matter clearly served as their "confirmation."
What I find to be an interesting phenomenon -- perhaps the most interesting of this entire situation -- was the ease with which those 2 actions served to completely refocus the media & general public. They went from viewing Joe's involvement through the prism of his lifelong body of achievements to viewing those achievements through the prism of their speculation about the incident (and did so in the relative blink of an eye).
IMHO it is very unlikely that anyone -- including the board -- could have foreseen how quickly & easily that script was flipped.
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Unfortunately for Joe, his GJ testimony and his interview with Sally Jenkins provided a reasonable basis for termination without the Freeh report.
Wait, you mean the same grand jury that the judge was removed from further GJ duties and the prosecutor is under review by the discipline board? That grand jury?
I can't disagree with that, they were too scared to do anything. So they did nothing
"I don't know what you'd call it"
The Sally Jenkins interview didn't exist on 9-November-2011, of course.
Joe's statement on the morning of 9-November-2011, however. That was absolutely grounds for termination in and of itself. It was gross insubordination to tell the Board of Trustees that them discussing his employment status was none of their business.
Noonan's remarks were so blatantly unprofessional that Corbett should have fired him immediately. Why didn't he? Joe's name should have never been mentioned in the GJ presentment. That and the leak of the presentment were not accidents. When PSU fired Joe, that sealed the narrative, not only about Joe, but about Jerry. Corbett bragged about getting Joe fired.
I think Joe was a target from the beginning.
Do I feel that some of them smelled the blood in the water and jumped in to take advantage of it ? Yes. I also feel that those few had no idea what they would end up getting.
I don't feel that Joe was ever a target of the OAG, I'm talking about your rank and file investigators.
I do feel that Noonan was prompted/ordered to say what he said, when he said it.
Well Penn State voters can brag about getting Corbett fired....
That statement was 100% why he was fired. Everything else would have been worked through.
yeah only if you're a tool, troll, and moron and take it completely out of context:
That's why I have decided to announce my retirement effective at the end of this season. At this moment the Board of Trustees should not spend a single minute discussing my status. They have far more important matters to address. I want to make this as easy for them as I possibly can.
It wasn't grounds. It was an excuse. What he said ("That's why I have decided to announce my retirement effective at the end of this season. At this moment the Board of Trustees should not spend a single minute discussing my status. They have far more important matters to address. I want to make this as easy for them as I possibly can. ") has multiple meanings: one could be perceived an insubordination (although even that is a stretch), and the other is "The university has way more important things to worry about (child abuse victims) than me." Anyone who had heard Paterno speak over the previous 20 years knows the statement was said without malice.
Without that statement - I do think Paterno would have been placed on paid leave. He wouldn't have coached vs. Nebraska, but neither would he have been fired.
Many folk don't like to admit it, but that statement was an enormous tactical mistake by the Paterno family.
That's not really what he said. He said, in effect, they had bigger things to worry about.
I’m an Engineer who has testified as an expert witness a few times. Knowing how attorneys operate during pre-testimony interviews, I’m sure Joe’s pre-GJ interview went something this like:
Prosecutor: Joe, Mike says he told you he saw Sandusky having sex with a boy. Do you remember that?
Joe: I can’t really remember. I knew Mike stopped by one time to complain about Sandusky, but I don’t think he said that.
Prosecutor: Cmon Joe, we need your testimony to put this monster away. Mike probably wasn’t that explicit, but do you remember him saying Sandusky was fondling him?
Joe: Hmm, maybe he did say something like that
Prosecutor: Joe, you are not in trouble. You did the right thing by notifying Curley and Schultz. What Mike saw had to be of a sexual nature, otherwise you would have not got those two involved. Also he’s been such a good assistant coach who you could trust, would you agree?
Joe: Hmm, I guess so
Prosecutor: Awesome, you are going to be an excellent witness. You’ll really help us put that sicko away
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Fair enough - maybe they did have bigger things to worry about.
But who was coaching against Nebraska was ALSO a thing that they needed to "worry about."
Then JoePa comes in unprompted and tells them "hey, don't worry about that - I've already decided that for you! I'm coaching Saturday."
JoePa made a huge tactical mistake if he thought his comments weren't going to draw some sort of reaction from his bosses. It was a very high-risk, low-reward comment to make.
ain't it amazing how people like michnitwitidiot STILL try to float their same old tired lies on here??
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