OT: FYI, JZ says Newsweek article is still a go. (edit: Story now spiked)

[francofan]

You and about 20 other people.

I think you are severely underestimating the extent that the OAG false narratives (MM witnessed an anal rape; the Freeh Report is factual; Spanier, Curley, Schultz, and Paterno knowingly enabled the acts of a pedophile) are known. One day the facts of the case will be evident. Too many people know the truth for it to be buried forever.

 

[nits74]

I think you are severely underestimating the extent that the OAG false narratives (MM witnessed an anal rape; the Freeh Report is factual; Spanier, Curley, Schultz, and Paterno knowingly enabled the acts of a pedophile) are known. One day the facts of the case will be evident. Too many people know the truth for it to be buried forever.

Perhaps, but he may be right about the number of people outside of Penn State who will care by that time. In any case, the length of time the Freeh Report review results and whatever else is out there to become public is inexcusable and a disgrace.

 

[Connorpozlee]

You and about 20 other people.

Since we seem to be heading down this road yet again, what do you think happened?

 

[Zenophile]

I think C/S/S were set up to take the fall, along with Joe.

IMHO Joe wasn’t intended to be a target until the media demonstrated that his gravity alone would attract all the bad press.

And then he became an indispensable component of the “move on” plan for all the wrong reasons.

 

[bdgan]

IMHO Joe wasn’t intended to be a target until the media demonstrated that his gravity alone would attract all the bad press.

PSU fired him on the spot without the benefit of an investigation. Didn't allow him to speak, didn't listen to his side of the story.

If that's not throwing somebody under the bus I don't know what is.

 

[Zenophile]

PSU fired him on the spot without the benefit of an investigation. Didn't allow him to speak, didn't listen to his side of the story.

If that's not throwing somebody under the bus I don't know what is.

They messed their collective trousers over bad PR (thereby making it worse).

 

[Lattner]

I think you are severely underestimating the extent that the OAG false narratives (MM witnessed an anal rape; the Freeh Report is factual; Spanier, Curley, Schultz, and Paterno knowingly enabled the acts of a pedophile) are known. One day the facts of the case will be evident. Too many people know the truth for it to be buried forever.

Freeh has his own crew, many unknown to the public.

Mr. Freeh held nothing back in his indictment of those three administrators, along with Penn State’s longtime head football coach, Joe Paterno, who died five years ago.

“For over 12 years, these men actively protected a notorious pedophile who inflicted irreparable harm on countless child victims on the campuses and locker rooms at PSU,” Mr. Freeh wrote. “Although these men had multiple opportunities to stop this vicious, serial predator from continuing to sexually assault children who trusted the PSU campuses and programs as safe havens, they decided together to protect this monster rather than report him to the police.”

The statement asserted that the trial evidence confirmed all of the “critical findings” that Mr. Freeh’s independent team of investigators had laid out in its 267-page report.

Perhaps most surprising was Mr. Freeh’s call for the resignation of Penn State’s current president. Mr. Barron assumed that post in 2014, long after the crimes of Mr. Sandusky and the decision by Penn State’s leaders not to report the allegations against the former coach to the police. Before becoming president of Penn State, Mr. Barron worked there from 1986 to 2006 as a professor and, eventually, a dean. But Mr. Freeh’s statement called out President Barron for waiting until after the verdict against Mr. Spanier to concede a “profound failure of leadership,” and for not apologizing to Mr. Sandusky’s victims.

 

[RussianEagle]

Freeh has his own crew, many unknown to the public.

Mr. Freeh held nothing back in his indictment of those three administrators, along with Penn State’s longtime head football coach, Joe Paterno, who died five years ago.

“For over 12 years, these men actively protected a notorious pedophile who inflicted irreparable harm on countless child victims on the campuses and locker rooms at PSU,” Mr. Freeh wrote. “Although these men had multiple opportunities to stop this vicious, serial predator from continuing to sexually assault children who trusted the PSU campuses and programs as safe havens, they decided together to protect this monster rather than report him to the police.”

The statement asserted that the trial evidence confirmed all of the “critical findings” that Mr. Freeh’s independent team of investigators had laid out in its 267-page report.

Perhaps most surprising was Mr. Freeh’s call for the resignation of Penn State’s current president. Mr. Barron assumed that post in 2014, long after the crimes of Mr. Sandusky and the decision by Penn State’s leaders not to report the allegations against the former coach to the police. Before becoming president of Penn State, Mr. Barron worked there from 1986 to 2006 as a professor and, eventually, a dean. But Mr. Freeh’s statement called out President Barron for waiting until after the verdict against Mr. Spanier to concede a “profound failure of leadership,” and for not apologizing to Mr. Sandusky’s victims.

I am assuming this commenter is a bot.

 

[indynittany]

IMHO Joe wasn’t intended to be a target until the media demonstrated that his gravity alone would attract all the bad press.

And then he became an indispensable component of the “move on” plan for all the wrong reasons.

You think? I'm not sure. I agree his crucifixion in the Freeh report, followed by the NCAA sanctions and the removal of the statue was the shock and awe trifecta of the "move on" campaign. But I think Joe's reputation could have easily been salvaged using the Freeh report, while still hammering PSU. I see no way that C/S/S would have brought Joe into the middle of the whole thing. Mike is on record stating that Joe was "great" throughout. Once Spanier told Curley "This approach is acceptable to me.", whatever PSU was supposedly guilty of was out of Joe's hands.

What could possibly have been so bad that the BOT would sacrifice all the good that Joe's legacy could still represent? Not only for PSU, but for all of football, especially college obviously, and for society as a whole. Even the people who didn't like Joe had to recognize the huge monetary cost to the university going forward. And I'm not even thinking about the Sandusky payouts and the rest of the $250 million. Just Joe.

If it was as simple as Corbett convincing the board that what was in the presentment was true, that would have blown up when he was run out of office, if not before. It's still amazes me that PSU and the NCAA fought tooth and nail to keep the Freeh source documents private and you never heard boo from the press!

The only thing that makes sense to me is that trustees of PSU and TSM have illegally enhanced their personal fortunes through monies that flowed through both PSU and TSM. That's why the narrative can't ever change.

And I still suspect that there might be some deeper connection to the $6 billion Hershey foundation because of what I remember reading years ago regarding its sketchy, decades long connection to both the OAG and pedophilia. It was in the format of a White Paper and written by some PhD at Penn. It was compelling, but over my head at the time and I don't remember enough specifics to get into it. Unfortunately, it disappeared from the internet several years ago. I wish I had saved it. I probably first saw it linked to either JZ's or Blehar's site.

 

[indynittany]

I think you are severely underestimating the extent that the OAG false narratives (MM witnessed an anal rape; the Freeh Report is factual; Spanier, Curley, Schultz, and Paterno knowingly enabled the acts of a pedophile) are known. One day the facts of the case will be evident. Too many people know the truth for it to be buried forever.

I think the facts are out there. What I don't think we understand yet is the underlying motive for PSU to fall on the sword for TSM. Would you be able to shine any light on that?

 

[marshall23]

Freeh has his own crew, many unknown to the public.

Mr. Freeh held nothing back in his indictment of those three administrators, along with Penn State’s longtime head football coach, Joe Paterno, who died five years ago.

“For over 12 years, these men actively protected a notorious pedophile who inflicted irreparable harm on countless child victims on the campuses and locker rooms at PSU,” Mr. Freeh wrote. “Although these men had multiple opportunities to stop this vicious, serial predator from continuing to sexually assault children who trusted the PSU campuses and programs as safe havens, they decided together to protect this monster rather than report him to the police.”

The statement asserted that the trial evidence confirmed all of the “critical findings” that Mr. Freeh’s independent team of investigators had laid out in its 267-page report.

Perhaps most surprising was Mr. Freeh’s call for the resignation of Penn State’s current president. Mr. Barron assumed that post in 2014, long after the crimes of Mr. Sandusky and the decision by Penn State’s leaders not to report the allegations against the former coach to the police. Before becoming president of Penn State, Mr. Barron worked there from 1986 to 2006 as a professor and, eventually, a dean. But Mr. Freeh’s statement called out President Barron for waiting until after the verdict against Mr. Spanier to concede a “profound failure of leadership,” and for not apologizing to Mr. Sandusky’s victims.

I'd bet an eye that Louis the Liar has a drinking or drug problem. His statement simply doubled down on his fact free based 8 million dollar opinion.

 

[PearlSUJam]

Those statements were published by Freeh six years ago.

Since then, for the last 29 months, a contingent of “truth seeking” Penn State Trustees has had access to Freeh’s investigative documents.....
And, as fiduciaries of the University, not a single member of that group of Truth Seekers has uttered one word challenging the veracity of Freeh’s claims.

Those are indisputable facts.


What’s that tell ya’?

It tells me Freeh is well connected. Well beyond even those in office.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-office-of-saipan-casino-run-by-trump-protege

 

[nits74]

Since we seem to be heading down this road yet again, what do you think happened?

He has a history of vapid posts and clearly is here with an agenda. I know, just stating the obvious.

 

[marshall23]

Its clear someone close to The Liar for Hire's investigation disputed his PSU Football Culture Fable.

 

[marshall23]

So what's meant by "the gravy train?"

 

[marshall23]

It needs and deserves exposure from a major media outlet.

If ten percent of what Ziegler says is true......ten percent......there are prosecutors, lawyers, "victims" and perhaps trustees who belong in jail.

 

[marshall23]

Hearing documents will be released by JZ tomorrow.

 

[Osprey Lion]

Since we seem to be heading down this road yet again, what do you think happened?

The obvious. Sandusky was a child molester and got caught in the act by MM. Four people at PSU
were told of the incident and did nothing of substance. When the story came out years later, all four
were fired and vilified. And in the years following, a small cadre of people have gone from "Joe
didn't know" to "all four didn't know" to "Sandusky is innocent".

 

[Connorpozlee]

The obvious. Sandusky was a child molester and got caught in the act by MM. Four people at PSU
were told of the incident and did nothing of substance. When the story came out years later, all four
were fired and vilified. And in the years following, a small cadre of people have gone from "Joe
didn't know" to "all four didn't know" to "Sandusky is innocent".

I appreciate the response.
It's obvious that Joe did what he was supposed to do because the NCAA made his response the standard protocol for all coaches to follow.

 

[canuckhal]

It's interesting that documents related to "victims" were leaked to Ralph, and consequently to Ziegler. LaJolla isn't going to be happy that Ziegler is naming names again and how much they received. And how some of them claimed much greater abuse to Penn State then they did at trial. The victim who gained access to Freeh access? Only cost PSU $20 million. Also, claiming emails of OAG feeding Ganim. I wonder if there will be an investigation into the leaks to Ralph (not Ganim), and whether anyone will question Lubert. Obviously, the file dump was from someone in the know.

 

[RussianEagle]

The obvious. Sandusky was a child molester and got caught in the act by MM. Four people at PSU
were told of the incident and did nothing of substance. When the story came out years later, all four
were fired and vilified. And in the years following, a small cadre of people have gone from "Joe
didn't know" to "all four didn't know" to "Sandusky is innocent".

Caught in the act? Why do you think the actual boy in the shower defended Sandusky on his OWN VOLITION after the arrest? He could have just kept quiet if he was too afraid to come forward. And why did he not retract that statement defending Sandusky when called to testify at the PCRA hearing, despite being given much opportunity to do so? If he really was too afraid to admit he was an abuse victim at the time, why not just say so? Instead he opted to say several times “I can’t remember"

 

[marshall23]

Caught in the act? Why do you think the actual boy in the shower defending Sandusky on his own volition after the arrest (he could have just kept quiet if he was too afraid to come forward)? And why did not not retract that statement defending Sandusky when testifying at the PCRA hearing, despite being given much opportunity to do so? Instead he opted to say several times “I can’t remember “

The little boy in the shower was about 14. Another reason I don't believe MM can see around corners.

 

[lionville]

I appreciate the response.
It's obvious that Joe did what he was supposed to do because the NCAA made his response the standard protocol for all coaches to follow.

Bird brain leaves out the part about the eyewitness and the next two people to learn of the incident doing squat.

 

[Chris92]

Hearing documents will be released by JZ tomorrow.

Hopefully, the Ganim emails will be included.

 

[pandaczar12]

Bird brain leaves out the part about the eyewitness and the next two people to learn of the incident doing squat.

And when the PSU admins sent the report to a mandatory reporter, the trained professional at TSM who had responsibility for JS and the teen... #swimtrunks

 

[pandaczar12]

Freeh has his own crew, many unknown to the public.

Mr. Freeh held nothing back in his indictment of those three administrators, along with Penn State’s longtime head football coach, Joe Paterno, who died five years ago.

“For over 12 years, these men actively protected a notorious pedophile who inflicted irreparable harm on countless child victims on the campuses and locker rooms at PSU,” Mr. Freeh wrote. “Although these men had multiple opportunities to stop this vicious, serial predator from continuing to sexually assault children who trusted the PSU campuses and programs as safe havens, they decided together to protect this monster rather than report him to the police.”

The statement asserted that the trial evidence confirmed all of the “critical findings” that Mr. Freeh’s independent team of investigators had laid out in its 267-page report.

Perhaps most surprising was Mr. Freeh’s call for the resignation of Penn State’s current president. Mr. Barron assumed that post in 2014, long after the crimes of Mr. Sandusky and the decision by Penn State’s leaders not to report the allegations against the former coach to the police. Before becoming president of Penn State, Mr. Barron worked there from 1986 to 2006 as a professor and, eventually, a dean. But Mr. Freeh’s statement called out President Barron for waiting until after the verdict against Mr. Spanier to concede a “profound failure of leadership,” and for not apologizing to Mr. Sandusky’s victims.

Freeh's reputation has been torn to shreds since this report has been published. Not one source has corroborated his conclusions, most notably the results of the C/S/S trials.

 

[RussianEagle]

Freeh's reputation has been torn to shreds since this report has been published. Not one source has corroborated his conclusions, most notably the results of the C/S/S trials.

Yes, I think the Freeh Report can be refuted in one sentence: "Freeh assumes, but does not prove, that Mike McQueary witnessed a sexual assault"

 

[jerot]

Freeh's reputation has been torn to shreds since this report has been published. Not one source has corroborated his conclusions, most notably the results of the C/S/S trials.

Not exactly.

Freeh’s case against Spanier focusses on two incidents that he failed to respond appropriately to: one, in 1998, and another, in 2001. In the first, a woman called the university police to report that Sandusky had showered with her eleven-year-old son. The police, as well as local social-services agencies, investigated the woman’s claim and closed the investigation after advising Sandusky not to take any more showers with children. (Though Spanier was made aware of the investigation, it’s not clear what Spanier knew about the incident.) Sandusky quit his university job in 1999, leaving to work at his children’s charity, the Second Mile, though he was given coach emeritus status and access to athletic facilities. In the second matter, from 2001, a graduate assistant named Mike McQueary witnessed an incident in the locker-room shower between Sandusky and a young boy; he later testified that he thought the boy was being raped. He reported it in some form to Joe Paterno, the head coach at Penn State. The precise nature of how McQueary described what he saw to Paterno, and how Paterno described it to others, has long been open to dispute, but witnesses testified that Spanier was never told directly that what McQueary witnessed had been a sexual assault. Spanier said that he understood it as “horsing around in the shower.” In any event, Spanier signed off on a plan for Sandusky to be told not to bring children to the main campus any longer, and to inform the head of the Second Mile about the situation. It is difficult to square Spanier’s behavior and Freeh’s broad condemnation.

 

[Legion of Lions]

Yes, I think the Freeh Report can be refuted in one sentence: "Freeh assumes, but does not prove, that Mike McQueary witnessed a sexual assault"

Concerning the Freeh Report and its continuing influence on the public and therefore the lack of justice provided to citizens of this State in a court system that consistently has demonstrated corruption and illegal court actions.....

The Freeh reports (without factual evidence to support the key allegations that Paterno, C/S/S, and a Criminal Football Culture)...positively stated (as public FACT) that PSU officials repeatedly covered up for Sandusky FOR YEARS...". This summary statement made public in his National Press Release has no basis of even speculation based upon anything contained in his "Investigation" document, or any other information available to Freeh when his $8.5M "Opinion Paper" was released. This assertion of "conspiracy" by PSU officials was a targeted fabrication in 2012 and it has been definitively exposed as that - pure fabrication - based upon existing facts.... that no reasonable evidence supports this statement This has been confirmed by solid legal evidence - NOT TO MENTION PA COURT FINDINGS OF NO CONSPIRACY.

The Freeh report was a paid politically motivated assault on Paterno and the Penn State University. It, unto itself, is malicious crime which allowed greedy NCAA, B1G and certain PA officials to steal funds from the citizens of the state of PA. It is questionably a CRIMINAL ACT and deserves jail time for all those involved. (This includes jail time for our favorite "weather girl" for obstruction of justice and conspiracy.)

Penn State's only crimes were NOT involving anything connected with Football, but were crimes were committed by its own, politically beholding executive BOT members. These participants on our BOT also deserve significant jail time.

Time to take back the State of PA and re-establish Justice.

 

[indynittany]

Yes, I think the Freeh Report can be refuted in one sentence: "Freeh assumes, but does not prove, that Mike McQueary witnessed a sexual assault"

Based on the evidence contained in the Freeh report, it would have been easier to conclude that Paterno acted appropriately than that he didn't. I don't think there's any question that Freeh started with a set of conclusions in mind and delivered exactly what he was hired to deliver.

When are we going to talk about 'why'?

 

[RussianEagle]

Based on the evidence contained in the Freeh report, it would have been easier to conclude that Paterno acted appropriately than that he didn't. I don't think there's any question that Freeh started with a set of conclusions in mind and delivered exactly what he was hired to deliver.

When are we going to talk about 'why'?

Ziegler's theory makes perfect sense, and you don't have to believe Ziegler's view that JS is completely innocent to accept it.

After the BOT panicked and hastily fired Joe Paterno, they needed someone to who could prove Joe deserved to be fired. Otherwise, the BOT would end up looking very very bad, especially since Joe had just passed away and there was still quite a bit of public sympathy for him.

The BOT essentially hired Freeh to justify their controversial actions. Saying Joe Paterno is guilty because Louis Freeh said so is pretty much the same as saying O.J. Simpson is innocent because Johnny Cochran said so.

 

[BobPSU92]

And when the PSU admins sent the report to a mandatory reporter, the trained professional at TSM who had responsibility for JS and the teen... #swimtrunks

And in this Bizarro World, that "trained professional", the most culpable of the lot by a long shot, testified for the prosecution against Spanier.

 

[BobPSU92]

Yes, I think the Freeh Report can be refuted in one sentence: "Freeh assumes, but does not prove, that Mike McQueary witnessed a sexual assault"

As freeh himself said, it's an opinion piece.

 

[BobPSU92]

Ziegler's theory makes perfect sense, and you don't have to believe Ziegler's view that JS is completely innocent to accept it.

After the BOT panicked and hastily fired Joe Paterno, they needed someone to who could prove Joe deserved to be fired. Otherwise, the BOT would end up looking very very bad, especially since Joe had just passed away and there was still quite a bit of public sympathy for him.

The BOT essentially hired Freeh to justify their controversial actions. Saying Joe Paterno is guilty because Louis Freeh said so is pretty much the same as saying O.J. Simpson is innocent because Johnny Cochran said so.

Firing him because Surma was bitter over the lack of playing time for a low-talent relative years earlier would not have played well.

 

[GTACSA]

Ziegler's theory makes perfect sense, and you don't have to believe Ziegler's view that JS is completely innocent to accept it.

After the BOT panicked and hastily fired Joe Paterno, they needed someone to who could prove Joe deserved to be fired. Otherwise, the BOT would end up looking very very bad, especially since Joe had just passed away and there was still quite a bit of public sympathy for him.

The BOT essentially hired Freeh to justify their controversial actions. Saying Joe Paterno is guilty because Louis Freeh said so is pretty much the same as saying O.J. Simpson is innocent because Johnny Cochran said so.

Some might argue that the BOT didn't need Freeh, they had Joe himself making the case for the actions of the BOT.

 

[RussianEagle]

Some might argue that the BOT didn't need Freeh, they had Joe himself making the case for the actions of the BOT.

What are talking about? Anyone who tries to trot out Joe's statement "With the benefit of hindsight, I wish I would have done more" as an admission of guilt is a complete moron. Not only that, Joe made the statement based on being fed false information by the PA OAG.

 

[pandaczar12]

Not exactly.

Freeh’s case against Spanier focusses on two incidents that he failed to respond appropriately to: one, in 1998, and another, in 2001. In the first, a woman called the university police to report that Sandusky had showered with her eleven-year-old son. The police, as well as local social-services agencies, investigated the woman’s claim and closed the investigation after advising Sandusky not to take any more showers with children. (Though Spanier was made aware of the investigation, it’s not clear what Spanier knew about the incident.) Sandusky quit his university job in 1999, leaving to work at his children’s charity, the Second Mile, though he was given coach emeritus status and access to athletic facilities. In the second matter, from 2001, a graduate assistant named Mike McQueary witnessed an incident in the locker-room shower between Sandusky and a young boy; he later testified that he thought the boy was being raped. He reported it in some form to Joe Paterno, the head coach at Penn State. The precise nature of how McQueary described what he saw to Paterno, and how Paterno described it to others, has long been open to dispute, but witnesses testified that Spanier was never told directly that what McQueary witnessed had been a sexual assault. Spanier said that he understood it as “horsing around in the shower.” In any event, Spanier signed off on a plan for Sandusky to be told not to bring children to the main campus any longer, and to inform the head of the Second Mile about the situation. It is difficult to square Spanier’s behavior and Freeh’s broad condemnation.

Not sure where to start with this, it doesn't make the point it thinks you make, and it's factually innacurate.

Seriously , Spanier failed in 1998 when it's not clear he even knew about the incident, and the proper authorities investigated and cleared JS?!?!? SMH.

 

[indynittany]

Some might argue that the BOT didn't need Freeh, they had Joe himself making the case for the actions of the BOT.

Go ahead! Make the argument.

 

[Misder2]

IMHO Joe wasn’t intended to be a target until the media demonstrated that his gravity alone would attract all the bad press.

And then he became an indispensable component of the “move on” plan for all the wrong reasons.

Noonan sealed Paternos role as a target, that couldnt be undone. Media ran with it

 

[TenerHallTerror]

What are talking about? Anyone who tries to trot out Joe's statement "With the benefit of hindsight, I wish I would have done more" as an admission of guilt is a complete moron. Not only that, Joe made the statement based on being fed false information by the PA OAG.

I assume no one read the recycled piece of crap pre-Paterno film steaming pile of monkey doo doo that Penn Lie ran this week.

But one element stands out:

this absolute myth that Sara Ganim was some plucky and determined reporter who doggedly pursued this story and exposed Penn State's "corruption"

because even in the f**king article they say she was tipped off that the OAG "accidentally" posted the GJ presentment and charges against Sandusky to their website, and she had a 15 minute window to check it out.

THIS IS LITERALLY IN THE ARTICLE. anyone who cannot smell the set up by the OAG in this is just delusionally sad. Paterno's fate seemed to be sealed from there. Especially after Surma wouldn't allow Joe to defend himself, the football program, and the admins