OT: FYI, JZ says Newsweek article is still a go. (edit: Story now spiked)

[MtNittany]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the fact that there was still a fake accuser out there - being told to file a criminal complaint by an attorney - months after JZ told everyone that there was a fake accuser out there.

These attorneys are obviously still actively trying to suck blood out of a corpse.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Nothing would have helped PSU. It was a hit on PSU, plain and simple. Look what they did to JVP, who did EXACTLY what he was supposed to do.

Except legally covering their arses and the schools like they were told to do. Yeah, but besides that, nothing else.

 

[bdgan]

Completely worthless dildos - at best (the other options are significantly more sinister..... and, FWIW, the other, more nefarious options, become increasingly more likely by the day).

Stunningly negligent in every aspect of their duty (of which, this is just one of many).

I don't believe in any nefarious options other than their desire to cover their own rear ends (regardless of how much university money it took).

Other than that it was just huge incompetence wrt crisis management.

 

[bdgan]

They have a copy of the Freeh report with a handwritten note on the top of page 1, in all CAPS. First paragraph of page one discusses the football culture covering up the crimes of Sandusky. The handwritten note from a Freeh Group employee says, "NO EVIDENCE OF THIS!"

How would you have such a document?

 

[bdgan]

You are talking about a different group of dildos than I am

I assume you're referring to government dildos. They're good at covering their own butts too.

 

[Chris92]

How would you have such a document?

I haven't heard an explanation on how they obtained it.

 

[didier]

I’m 30 minutes in but has he mentioned how much V6 got? He also had access to the Freeh docs.

 

[MtNittany]

I haven't heard an explanation on how they obtained it.

I would guess the same source as all the other leaks and documents including Lubert on tape calling out the V's as being on the "gravy train"...

 

[sarasotan]

Whether you like it or not, the A9 will deliver their report, as promised. They are a little light on actual worker bees as of now. But some non-privileged parts were farmed out. In fact, I am finishing one now. Is it too late to make a difference? Who knows. The truth still must be told.

 

[sarasotan]

You are betting on the wrong horse, Barry. Your disdain is misplaced, to say the least.

 

[LurkerLazarus]

Actually, I'm willing to bet on just about any horse right now, no matter what. I'll do just about anything to finally pick a winner.

 

[Mary QBA]

They are a little light on actual worker bees as of now.

This is really funny, Chris.

 

[MtNittany]

So who is Ralph's source of the b.o.t. info:

Ira: 20-1
Lubrano: 3-1
Al Lord: 5-1
Jay Paterno: 10-1
Dem Lion: 50-1

Heh...

 

[sarasotan]

Barry, you do know me. And you know we do care about the same things. In fact I told you who I was quite some time ago.

 

[Hotshoe]

I have no confidence that calling authorities would have stopped JS from his questionable interactions with kids.

Calling the authorities would probably have taken PSU off the hook. I say probably because authorities could have easily claimed that PSU administrators didn't tell them everything they knew and lawyers would still go after PSU for allowing things to occur on campus until 2011.

I don't claim it would have stopped anything, but would have directed all responsibility away from Penn State, and onto the state where it belonged.

 

[nits74]

One thing that JZ and the A9 have in common is that both are very good at raising hopes and then delivering next to nothing. I will say that at least this time JZ hedged quite a bit on the odds of this ever being released by Newsweek. Still, bottom line is same as it ever was.

P.S. This time I'm not even going to bother with the latest podcast. Waste of time.

 

[BobPSU92]

Over the years, we have often held out hope for the facts to break (we know what they are) only to be disappointed. Did Ziegler oversell the likelihood of this story being published by Newsweak? Each time the story was to be published, the rug was pulled out at the last minute. Really?

BOMBSHELL.

 

[nits74]

Whether you like it or not, the A9 will deliver their report, as promised. They are a little light on actual worker bees as of now. But some non-privileged parts were farmed out. In fact, I am finishing one now. Is it too late to make a difference? Who knows. The truth still must be told.

I'll believe that when I see it. To answer your question, yes. There was no excuse for this to have taken so long.

 

[Connorpozlee]

I haven't heard an explanation on how they obtained it.

So that was a serious post earlier? About the note saying no evidence?

 

[sarasotan]

This is really funny, Chris.

Good guess and also totally wrong.

@Connorpozlee, yes, it's in the podcast.

 

[Osprey Lion]

So there is no article by Ziegler. What a shock. He must think you apologists
are really gullible. It's almost as though you will fall for any story he tells that
fits your agenda. He must feel like Lucy holding the football for you
Charlie Browns.

 

[Chris92]

So that was a serious post earlier? About the note saying no evidence?

Yes.

 

[Chris92]

So there is no article by Ziegler. What a shock. He must think you apologists
are really gullible. It's almost as though you will fall for any story he tells that
fits your agenda. He must feel like Lucy holding the football for you
Charlie Browns.

He's going to put it up on his website next week.

 

[PSU2UNC]

Newsweek was never going to publish a long article defending a convicted pedophile unless there were facts behind it.

I can't believe this thread reached 13 pages for an article which doesn't even exist.

There are just as many facts behind this article as there are in the original MSM coverage.

In fact, there is more evidence to show that the February date is wrong that there is to say the Feb date is correct.

And first person interviews with people close to the victims are certainly reasonable for journalists to use.

I'm surprised the Newsweek doesn't want to run the article. It would get "clicks." I feel like that is all that media outlets care about these days. I wonder if Cipriano chickened out, due to either fear of it hurting him professionally or some other reason.

 

[Connorpozlee]

So there is no article by Ziegler. What a shock. He must think you apologists
are really gullible. It's almost as though you will fall for any story he tells that
fits your agenda. He must feel like Lucy holding the football for you
Charlie Browns.

I will say this about Ziegler. I believe that he is 100% honest in his approach. I think he believes firmly in what he is saying. I don't agree with him 100% in what he says, but I do believe that he believes it. And I respect that.

 

[Osprey Lion]

He's going to put it up on his website next week.

So about 20 people will see it.

 

[bdgan]

Over the years, we have often held out hope for the facts to break (we know what they are) only to be disappointed.

What facts are you looking for? The A9 might opine that the BOT did a poor job defending the university and a poor job of vetting victims. Neither would change the narrative. I don't think you'll find documentation that the BOT intentionally threw C/S/S/P under the bus in order to cover their own butts. They aren't that stupid.

Zig might find evidence that puts a few victim claims into question but what about the other victims? Narrative wouldn't change.

Paterno admitted that he turned the thing over to Curley then stayed out of it so the narrative that Joe didn't do enough is not going to change.

It's nearly impossible to prove a negative.

 

[MtNittany]

How the University handled V3 and V5 (starts at about 18:00 mark) makes my head want to explode. A "Victim Questionnaire?" Are you FKM with that?

 

[nits74]

So about 20 people will see it.

A little more than that, but for once I get your point. Podcasts, web sites, etc. known only to a select few accomplish very little.

 

[michnittlion]

John Ziegler under-delivers?

That was very predictable.

 

[RussianEagle]

What facts are you looking for? The A9 might opine that the BOT did a poor job defending the university and a poor job of vetting victims. Neither would change the narrative. I don't think you'll find documentation that the BOT intentionally threw C/S/S/P under the bus in order to cover their own butts. They aren't that stupid.

Zig might find evidence that puts a few victim claims into question but what about the other victims? Narrative wouldn't change.

Paterno admitted that he turned the thing over to Curley then stayed out of it so the narrative that Joe didn't do enough is not going to change.

It's nearly impossible to prove a negative.

I think Ziegler has already done a good job discrediting every accuser even before this new information came about. Some of the accusations, such as Victim 9 and 10 simply defy basic logic. Even considering the ones that accused Sandusky before the arrest, these were not independent accusations. all accusers except Aaron Fisher only flipped on Sandusky after the investigators/attorneys were able to first convince them that Jerry was a pedophile. Fishers story is rather suspect itself, the story of a woman who helped Aaron’s mother organize a rally supporting him, but then got suspicious after hearing some of the mother’s bizarre comments, is very revealing.

What accuser(s) do you find credible in this saga? We could have a discussion from there.

 

[MtNittany]

RE: The handwriting on the cover page (summary of the summary) of the freeh report. It was probably a freeh investigator (in some sense) that wrote it. He was probably disagreeing with it because it wasn't written by them, but rather the ncaa.

 

[PSU Dave]

Nothing would have helped PSU. It was a hit on PSU, plain and simple. Look what they did to JVP, who did EXACTLY what he was supposed to do.

When Wick threw in the towel any hope I had of finding the truth went with it.

 

[Connorpozlee]

It was definitely worth listening to. Really interesting.
Osprey, michnit, I know you won't but it would worth your while to give it a listen. Interesting information in there.

 

[Chris92]

How the University handled V3 and V5 (starts at about 18:00 mark) makes my head want to explode. A "Victim Questionnaire?" Are you FKM with that?

Apparently the questionnaire didn't include any questions if they recently spent time in prison for forgery and related charges.

 

[MtNittany]

Apparently the questionnaire didn't include any questions if they recently spent time in prison for forgery and related charges.

A handicapped parking permit for Beaver Stadium probably got more scrutiny than these questionnaires.

 

[michnittlion]

It was definitely worth listening to. Really interesting.
Osprey, michnit, I know you won't but it would worth your while to give it a listen. Interesting information in there.

I'll listen to it ---- probably tonight, end of day when I have more time.

I've said this for a long time now --- Ziegler's biggest problems are not his research but:

(1) insinuating that Sandusky is innocent of EVERYTHING - that's highly unlikely given the vast number of the claims over so many years,

(2) not focusing his attention (and when I say focused --- I mean focused like a high-intensity laser beam) on the 2001 date and the questionable behavior of Mike McQueary and Jonelle Eshbach. Don't talk about tangential things like Aaron Fisher. What Aaron Fisher does with his $$$ is totally irrelevant. If there is a case to be made here --- with McQueary and the 2001 date and Eshbach is where that case is to made. Talk ONLY about that.

(3) his often bombastic and antagonistic behavior. He turns people off, and

(4) a history of over-promising and under-delivering (this Newsweek article is another case of such).

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Maybe he's changed his tune in this podcast. I will listen, at some point.

 

[Pinkhippo PeanutButter]

I'll listen to it ---- probably tonight, end of day when I have more time.

I've said this for a long time now --- Ziegler's biggest problems are not his research but:

(1) insinuating that Sandusky is innocent of EVERYTHING - that's highly unlikely given the vast number of the claims over so many years,

(2) not focusing his attention (and when I say focused --- I mean focused like a high-intensity laser beam) on the 2001 date and the questionable behavior of Mike McQueary and Jonelle Eshbach. Don't talk about tangential things like Aaron Fisher. What Aaron Fisher does with his $$$ is totally irrelevant. If there is a case to be made here --- with McQueary and the 2001 date and Eshbach is where that case is to made. Talk ONLY about that.

(3) his often bombastic and antagonistic behavior. He turns people off, and

(4) a history of over-promising and under-delivering (this Newsweek article is another case of such).

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Maybe he's changed his tune in this podcast. I will listen, at some point.

Nah, he was still all in on 100% Jerry innocence. Seems llike Cipriano and Newsweek wanted to focus more on PSU & Joe innocence & Zig pushed the Jerry theme.

 

[michnittlion]

Nah, he was still all in on 100% Jerry innocence. Seems llike Cipriano and Newsweek wanted to focus more on PSU & Joe innocence & Zig pushed the Jerry theme.

I'll still listen - but I figured as much.

 

[nits74]

I'll listen to it ---- probably tonight, end of day when I have more time.

I've said this for a long time now --- Ziegler's biggest problems are not his research but:

(1) insinuating that Sandusky is innocent of EVERYTHING - that's highly unlikely given the vast number of the claims over so many years,

(2) not focusing his attention (and when I say focused --- I mean focused like a high-intensity laser beam) on the 2001 date and the questionable behavior of Mike McQueary and Jonelle Eshbach. Don't talk about tangential things like Aaron Fisher. What Aaron Fisher does with his $$$ is totally irrelevant. If there is a case to be made here --- with McQueary and the 2001 date and Eshbach is where that case is to made. Talk ONLY about that.

(3) his often bombastic and antagonistic behavior. He turns people off, and

(4) a history of over-promising and under-delivering (this Newsweek article is another case of such).

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Maybe he's changed his tune in this podcast. I will listen, at some point.

Hard to argue with much of this. Pretty rational and balanced take.