OT: Game of Thrones S7E5 - Eastwatch....***SPOILERS***

[dunkej01]

Dunk: Loved your post. So you're hoping for some good endings for GOT protagonists. Why not? Isn't that what GOT has been all about? Just ask Ned Stark.

I have to be careful what I say here....

John arryn was murdered to set this story. Ned had to go to give the story the push. this season you'll find out who and why did this, plus punishment is doled out. go back and watch the first season if you can before you watch the next two weeks.

they cant let the knight king win goes against all that is TV magic doesnt it? cersei cant win, cause that is good vs evil and good always wins. So the winners win. Who is the biggest winner i guess is the next arc(s)? well do they want GOT to be star trek or star wars in 30 years where the stars (and money people at HBO) can go to comic con and continue to get the adulation the show deserves.

So I think they need to have that have that jedi ending. this isnt the sopranos. Im rambling, but yes i think there will be a happy ending...a sick twisted, agonizingly happy ending.

 

[marisa45]

Oh, left this out. The Dead King needs a back story how about..........the Dead King is actually the Mad King reborn! Deanery's father can only satisfy his insatiable, mad need for power by slaying his own daughter, in opposition, Dany is given the opportunity to rewrite her family's history and put an end to it's gruesome legacy. She calmly obliges and dispatches the Dead King, as he makes a critical mistake........he has a momentary lapse when he realizes that his daughter stands before him. His confusion comes to an abrupt end as Dany swiftly drives the dragonglass blade through his abdomen. Oh yeah, nice.

Or you can go another way. How about the Red God bringing the army of the dead back to hell?? He's had enough of the Dead King, who's power has always been secondary to the Red God; so he puts him in his rightful place. As usual, Little Finger plays a part.

 

[canuckhal]

The GOT just turned into the Dirty Dozen.

 

[canuckhal]

Tyrion would have been happier if Dany chose off with their heads than combustion. Off with their heads is the Westeros way, while dragon fire plays into the mad king.

 

[canuckhal]

I'm so going to miss this, but now we get the Davos, Gendry and Jon comedy hour.

 

[wbcincy]

Oh, left this out. The Dead King needs a back story how about..........the Dead King is actually the Mad King reborn! Deanery's father can only satisfy his insatiable, mad need for power by slaying his own daughter, in opposition, Dany is given the opportunity to rewrite her family's history and put an end to it's gruesome legacy. She calmly obliges and dispatches the Dead King, as he makes a critical mistake........he has a momentary lapse when he realizes that his daughter stands before him. His confusion comes to an abrupt end as Dany swiftly drives the dragonglass blade through his abdomen. Oh yeah, nice.

Or you can go another way. How about the Red God bringing the army of the dead back to hell?? He's had enough of the Dead King, who's power has always been secondary to the Red God; so he puts him in his rightful place. As usual, Little Finger plays a part.

We already saw the back story on who the Night King is and how he was created

 

[LafayetteBear]

So I have read posts applying several different titles to the dude from the North who has horns coming out of his forehead and reanimates zombies. I've seen the following titles used:

1. The Knight King
2. The Dead King
3. The Night King
4. The King of the Dead

I think it is either The Night King or The Night's King, but I want to make sure. Thoughts?

 

[marisa45]

I'm not a comicon dude so anything I said is probably wrong and I don't speak Valerian or Valeryan.....whatever. Just sayin, don't take my stuff too seriously. I mean, I just learned the Night King had a back story.

 

[es19]

I'm not a comicon dude so anything I said is probably wrong and I don't speak Valerian or Valeryan.....whatever. Just sayin, don't take my stuff too seriously. I mean, I just learned the Night King had a back story.

You are definitely out of your element.

 

[RandyL]

We see in the preview the Seven running for their lives.
I am afraid my favorite the Hound wont make it; surely he cant run very far or fast.
But then he could become part of the army of the dead, and that might give Arya the opportunity to finally kill the Hound herself, using her new knife, since he was on her list.
I am gonna stop reading this stuff; I want to be surprised

 

[wbcincy]

I'm not a comicon dude so anything I said is probably wrong and I don't speak Valerian or Valeryan.....whatever. Just sayin, don't take my stuff too seriously. I mean, I just learned the Night King had a back story.

If you thought you could share in casual GOT banter without intricate knowledge of every detail, you came to the wrong place my friend!

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

We see in the preview the Seven running for their lives.
I am afraid my favorite the Hound wont make it; surely he cant run very far or fast.
But then he could become part of the army of the dead, and that might give Arya the opportunity to finally kill the Hound herself, using her new knife, since he was on her list.
I am gonna stop reading this stuff; I want to be surprised

I like to speculate with other speculators - not those who have read the leaked scripts and stuff. Having said that, I do think the Hound will fall - but, not before taking out his lifelong nemesis - The (Franken)Mountain. Everyone will have a part to play I think and most won't make it.

 

[dunkej01]

I like to speculate with other speculators - not those who have read the leaked scripts and stuff. Having said that, I do think the Hound will fall - but, not before taking out his lifelong nemesis - The (Franken)Mountain. Everyone will have a part to play I think and most won't make it.

the hound appears to be on some morality arc at the moment. i could see a scenario next season where during some battle with fire everywhere, he confronts his greatest fear to save someone. he probably dies at this point, but not before he completes his moral journey.

puppies, rainbows and tweeting birds again I know....

I want Brienne and tormund to have crazy monkey love but the show runners have publicly said they dont see that happening.....

 

[Woodpecker]

assume Jon and Dany will marry

Count me as another poster who is "Out of his element" but aren't Jon an Dany related? She would be his aunt or something? Not that that matters in Westeros . Maybe I'm lost in the hidden bloodlines.

 

[bmw199]

Count me as another poster who is "Out of his element" but aren't Jon an Dany related? She would be his aunt or something? Not that that matters in Westeros . Maybe I'm lost in the hidden bloodlines.

Targaryen's often married brother and sister. A couple great conflicts in Westeros are bc of Targaryen family inbreeding. Dance with Dragons saw Queen Rhaenyra marry her uncle Prince Daemon. The Blackfyre rebellion started bc King Aegon IV (the unworthy) believed his brother (Lord Commander of the King's Guard) had actually impregnated his sister bride the night before his wedding, and on his deathbed legitimized his bastard son Daemon Blackfyre (along with all of his other bastards; including the 3 eyed raven, Bloodraven). Daemon was the son of Aegon IV's trist with his cousin, Daena the Defiant.

Moral of the story, the fact they're related ain't no big thing.

 

[RandyL]

So what was Davos purpose in going to get Gendry?
Was he just curious to see if he was ok, and didnt really expect endry to come wih him?
Inserting the true son of Baratheon into the alliance seems unlikely to reduce tensions.
I guess, since Gendry seems happy with his status he could once and for all renounce any Baratheon claim and help settle things at some point.

 

[Manxome_Lion]

I've wondered about a truly nihilistic ending...that comet that was shown in previous episode opening sequences in previous seasons hits Westeros and wipes everybody, living and dead alike, out.

 

[marisa45]

If you thought you could share in casual GOT banter without intricate knowledge of every detail, you came to the wrong place my friend!

I was doing fine until you showed up.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

So what was Davos purpose in going to get Gendry?
Was he just curious to see if he was ok, and didnt really expect endry to come wih him?
Inserting the true son of Baratheon into the alliance seems unlikely to reduce tensions.
I guess, since Gendry seems happy with his status he could once and for all renounce any Baratheon claim and help settle things at some point.

The show-runners addressed this in their post-episode commentary. They basically said it was just good timing; Davos was really the only way for Tyrion to get into King's Landing and they said he could hang out at the boat all day or do something. Nice way to sort of tie Gendry back into everything. Remember - Robert is only the King because he and others overthrew the Mad King (based on the false assumption that Rhaegar Targaryen kidnapped Lyanna Stark when in truth, they were secretly wed and with child). Gendry is basically Jon with a worse upbringing.

 

[marisa45]

Targaryen's often married brother and sister. A couple great conflicts in Westeros are bc of Targaryen family inbreeding. Dance with Dragons saw Queen Rhaenyra marry her uncle Prince Daemon. The Blackfyre rebellion started bc King Aegon IV (the unworthy) believed his brother (Lord Commander of the King's Guard) had actually impregnated his sister bride the night before his wedding, and on his deathbed legitimized his bastard son Daemon Blackfyre (along with all of his other bastards; including the 3 eyed raven, Bloodraven). Daemon was the son of Aegon IV's trist with his cousin, Daena the Defiant.

Moral of the story, the fact they're related ain't no big thing.

Check that, I meant waaaaaaay out of my element. You guys take this sh!t seearious. Cincy did me a favor. Doesn't mean I won't post anymore just to piss off the "purists".........

 

[canuckhal]

So what was Davos purpose in going to get Gendry?
Was he just curious to see if he was ok, and didnt really expect endry to come wih him?
Inserting the true son of Baratheon into the alliance seems unlikely to reduce tensions.
I guess, since Gendry seems happy with his status he could once and for all renounce any Baratheon claim and help settle things at some point.

I think it was just to protect him from attack on King's Landing. Davos told him not to reveal whom he was to Jon, but he did so on his own accord. Davos didn't want him to go north, he volunteered. Davos had very little sway in the episode and let them know it.

 

[Grant Green]

I know that viewers have to accept some things that aren't realistic, but I found it silly that Jaime and Bronn just swam up on some shore, safely away from trouble. If Dany's sees the man that killed her father riding towards her with bad intentions and then plunged into a body of water, isn't she going after him? How the hell is he going to swim that far away in armor?

That seemed like lazy writing. Did I miss something?

 

[WPB_lion]

I know that viewers have to accept some things that aren't realistic, but I found it silly that Jaime and Bronn just swam up on some shore, safely away from trouble. If Dany's sees the man that killed her father riding towards her with bad intentions and then plunged into a body of water, isn't she going after him? How the hell is he going to swim that far away in armor?

That seemed like lazy writing. Did I miss something?

Very lazy writing. They ended up at least a quarter mile away from from the battle and smoke. They surfaced like they were swimming under water the entire time and Jaime proceeds to throw up water like he was drowning. Realistically, they would have had to surface within 30 yards of where they went into the water where the Dragon and Dany should have been waiting to either finish them off or take them prisoner. The sequence between Jaime going into the water and Jaime exiting the water with Bronn is virtually impossible to explain which is why the writers simply punted. I thought for sure that Bronn and Jaime would become prisoners after the battle episode.

If Bronn and Jaime needed to escape as part of the story line, Jaime should have never made an attempt at Dany's life at the end of the last episode. The unsuccessful attempt at Dany's life added nothing to the story line and makes their escape totally unbelievable. It was an eye rolling moment for me.

 

[Grant Green]

Very lazy writing. They ended up at least a quarter mile away from from the battle and smoke. They surfaced like they were swimming under water the entire time and Jaime proceeds to throw up water like he was drowning. Realistically, they would have had to surface within 30 yards of where they went into the water where the Dragon and Dany should have been waiting to either finish them off or take them prisoner. The sequence between Jaime going into the water and Jaime exiting the water with Bronn is virtually impossible to explain which is why they simply punted. I thought for sure that Bronn and Jaime became prisoners.

If Bronn and Jaime needed to escape as part of the story line, Jaime should have never made an attempt at Dany's life at the end of the last episode. The unsuccessful attempt at Dany's life added nothing to the story line and makes their escape totally unbelievable.

Agreed. I only bring it up because there is rarely lazy writing in the show. There are some unrealistic explanations for some occurrences, but they usually at least make an effort to explain. Strange.

That said, this season has been spectacular. Everything that has been building over the past few seasons is coming to fruition. Pretty sure Season 8 is the final and I expect it to be phenomenal.

I usually don't care about happy endings (but want a satisfying ending - looking at you David Chase), but I do want to see this show wrapped up with a bow.

 

[lionroar88]

Anyone else wonder why Sam and Gilly's son doesn't seem to age, yet months have to pass between many of their scenes... is The Citadel a place where time stands still?

 

[lj4heisman1]

Very lazy writing. They ended up at least a quarter mile away from from the battle and smoke. They surfaced like they were swimming under water the entire time and Jaime proceeds to throw up water like he was drowning. Realistically, they would have had to surface within 30 yards of where they went into the water where the Dragon and Dany should have been waiting to either finish them off or take them prisoner. The sequence between Jaime going into the water and Jaime exiting the water with Bronn is virtually impossible to explain which is why they simply punted. I thought for sure that Bronn and Jaime would become prisoners after the battle episode.

If Bronn and Jaime needed to escape as part of the story line, Jaime should have never made an attempt at Dany's life at the end of the last episode. The unsuccessful attempt at Dany's life added nothing to the story line and makes their escape totally unbelievable. It was an eye rolling moment for me.

agreed

also....what happened to the spear that was deep into drogons side? Not a word about that.

also lazy was the whole going to King's landing thing....like, how did word get to Bronn to take Jamie down to see Tyrion? Private raven line?

 

[palmettolion]

I know that viewers have to accept some things that aren't realistic, but I found it silly that Jaime and Bronn just swam up on some shore, safely away from trouble. If Dany's sees the man that killed her father riding towards her with bad intentions and then plunged into a body of water, isn't she going after him? How the hell is he going to swim that far away in armor?

That seemed like lazy writing. Did I miss something?

Obviously it's implied that the Drowned God showed up when they went in the water and escorted them safely under water to the far bank.

That one threw me too, so He Who Dwells Beneath the Waves is all I got.

Edit: Yes I know Blackwater Rush is a river, not the sea, so perhaps the Old Man of the River saved them?

 

[dunkej01]

1) piss poor writing on the water scene. they made a big deal about it to end the episode and then poof there they are in this weeks. my opinion they rushed it to get back to the story at hand. what I have found on the blog and super fan sites is its just a script flaw
2) the spear...i read one place it was removed in original script then cut during editing.

the lost ten minutes at the end of the previous episode could have been used with these glaring deficiencies.

 

[lionroar88]

Obviously it's implied that the Drowned God showed up when they went in the water and escorted them safely under water to the far bank.

That one threw me too, so He Who Dwells Beneath the Waves is all I got.

Edit: Yes I know Blackwater Rush is a river, not the sea, so perhaps the Old Man of the River saved them?

Maybe it was flowing rapidly due to all the Winter runoff? It looked more like a narrow lake than a river...

 

[AWS1022]

Check that, I meant waaaaaaay out of my element. You guys take this sh!t seearious. Cincy did me a favor. Doesn't mean I won't post anymore just to piss off the "purists".........

And you thought the Monday morning quarterbacking was bad after a PSU game.

 

[Still in State College]

1) piss poor writing on the water scene. they made a big deal about it to end the episode and then poof there they are in this weeks. my opinion they rushed it to get back to the story at hand. what I have found on the blog and super fan sites is its just a script flaw
2) the spear...i read one place it was removed in original script then cut during editing.

the lost ten minutes at the end of the previous episode could have been used with these glaring deficiencies.

Including them getting back to King's Landing fairly quickly on foot?

Some improved editing on the scene order might help with this season's time travel. DT sends the Greyjoys off in one direction and the Unsullied in another. Euron defeats the Greyjoy fleet and returns to King's Landing the conquering hero then appears at Casterly Rock destroying the fleet that transported the Unsullied. Say what you want but that is seamanship rivaled only by Captain "Lucky" Jack Aubrey

 

[LafayetteBear]

So do you think we can safely assume that Jon mined enough dragon glass to make a sword for each of the Maginificent Seven to carry north of The Wall? The previews for next episode showed one of them wielding a sword that was enveloped in flames. Is that the Turbo edition of a dragon glass sword?

 

[bmw199]

So do you think we can safely assume that Jon mined enough dragon glass to make a sword for each of the Maginificent Seven to carry north of The Wall? The previews for next episode showed one of them wielding a sword that was enveloped in flames. Is that the Turbo edition of a dragon glass sword?

No that is Beric channeling the Lord of Light

 

[LafayetteBear]

No that is Beric channeling the Lord of Light

LOL at the LOL.

 

[RandyL]

After taking all the time they needed for 6 seasons, there is no doubt they are rushing now to get everything wrapped up; we needed at least 3-4 more full-length seasons to do all this.
There will be plenty of room to add stuff in the extended version dvds.

Oh yea, wouldnt Cersei's evil little maester/wizard have used poison on those dragon spears ?

 

[psu7113]

1) piss poor writing on the water scene. they made a big deal about it to end the episode and then poof there they are in this weeks. my opinion they rushed it to get back to the story at hand. what I have found on the blog and super fan sites is its just a script flaw
2) the spear...i read one place it was removed in original script then cut during editing.

the lost ten minutes at the end of the previous episode could have been used with these glaring deficiencies.

No, Dany got off of the dragon and pulled the spear out. That is why Jamie had the opportunity to charge at her. Piss poor view ship on YOUR part.

 

[dunkej01]

No, Dany got off of the dragon and pulled the spear out. That is why Jamie had the opportunity to charge at her. Piss poor view ship on YOUR part.

No she did not, watch it again my capitalizing friend. the spear is clearly hanging from his shoulder area as his head swivels to breath fire at the charging jamie. then jamie goes into the water. in the next episode when he is perched on the stone, there is no spear.

so something is piss poor but it is NOT me in this instance.

 

[lj4heisman1]

No, Dany got off of the dragon and pulled the spear out. That is why Jamie had the opportunity to charge at her. Piss poor view ship on YOUR part.

no she didn't get it out, she was trying, but it was still in there

 

[LafayetteBear]

no she didn't get it out, she was trying, but it was still in there

What were we talking about again?

 

[PSU.:.]

Spear should of did much more damage to Drogon. Some guy threw a spear at the arena and stuck in in the side of the dragon. A spear traveling at speeds of 100-300 mph should of did some major damage.