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One of the latest trends in healthy eating is Intermittent Fasting (IF). The basic premise is that when you fast for an extended period of time your body burns stored fat that hasn't been accessible during the "fed" state (8-12 hours after your last meal). There are a few popular IF plans..16:8 ...you fast for 16 hours and limit your eating to within an 8 hour period; 5:2..you eat normally for 5 days per week and reduce your calories to 500-600 per day for 2 days per week; ADF...alternate day fasting where you fast continuously every other day. Another version of IF is the warrior fasting, where you eat like a warrior - fast for 20 hours and eat your daily calories within 4 hours. This is what I have been doing for the past few weeks and have noticed changes in my weight and metabolism. (Weight down, metabolism up). Also, my lunch expenditures have reduced to zero.

Wondering if anyone else has tried IF and how it went.
 
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How's your energy level with the 4:20 plan?
I know someone who did the 8:16 and was successful in losing weight and feeling good. Not sure if they are still doing it.
 
One of the latest trends in healthy eating is Intermittent Fasting (IF). The basic premise is that when you fast for an extended period of time your body burns stored fat that hasn't been accessible during the "fed" state (8-12 hours after your last meal). There are a few popular IF plans..16:8 ...you fast for 16 hours and limit your eating to within an 8 hour period; 5:2..you eat normally for 5 days per week and reduce your calories to 500-600 per day for 2 days per week; ADF...alternate day fasting where you fast continuously every other day. Another version of IF is the warrior fasting, where you eat like a warrior - fast for 20 hours and eat your daily calories within 4 hours. This is what I have been doing for the past few weeks and have noticed changes in my weight and metabolism. (Weight down, metabolism up). Also, my lunch expenditures have reduced to zero.

Wondering if anyone else has tried IF and how it went.


I do IF daily. I skip breakfast, and only eat between 12-8pm. Super easy, and it really does work (assuming your not eating unhealthy and still watching your calories).

I am on the KETO diet (and if i remember correctly, you were/are as well). I lost ~95 lbs in approx 9-10 months. Since that point i have still eaten Keto (low carb), but stopped tracking calories, and have stayed at ~ 95 lb loss to this point. Remarkable to be honest. As of this Week, i have started back into tracking in order to keep losing weight, have a little bit more to go.

IF fasting (16:8) absolutley played a big part in the initial weight loss, and the inches lost, as i dropped 2 shirt sizes, 4 jean sizes, and 2 ring sizes. Without IF, i know it would have been a slower process.
 
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there is actually some science behind the 16:8 type of diet that makes some sense. And it is not unhealthy like many other diets fads. In the end, you just end up skipping breakfast and only eating lunch and dinner. That is not that hard to do once you get used to it as I have not been eating breakfast since I started going to PSU and was too lazy to wake up early and instead slept in. Since then, I never ate breakfast on a day to day basis. Your body gets used to it. But like any other diet, you cannot just make up for no breakfast by shoving your face at lunch and dinner with extra and bad calories.
 
It's about finding what works for you. At the end of the day, you need to "burn" more calories than you consume. If intermittent fasting helps you do that and your doctor feels it is a safe option for you, go for it. But in reality, it is not required to lose weight.
 
One of the latest trends in healthy eating is Intermittent Fasting (IF). The basic premise is that when you fast for an extended period of time your body burns stored fat that hasn't been accessible during the "fed" state (8-12 hours after your last meal). There are a few popular IF plans..16:8 ...you fast for 16 hours and limit your eating to within an 8 hour period; 5:2..you eat normally for 5 days per week and reduce your calories to 500-600 per day for 2 days per week; ADF...alternate day fasting where you fast continuously every other day. Another version of IF is the warrior fasting, where you eat like a warrior - fast for 20 hours and eat your daily calories within 4 hours. This is what I have been doing for the past few weeks and have noticed changes in my weight and metabolism. (Weight down, metabolism up). Also, my lunch expenditures have reduced to zero.

Wondering if anyone else has tried IF and how it went.
great question...I am glad you asked. My BiL does this twice a year. He gets something from GNC/Amazon. he cuts all coffee and caffeine. He eats nothing but raw veggies the first day or two. After that, he uses some oils and spices on his steamed veggies. All in all, it is about five days. He says that he is not as hungry in the following weeks, resets his sensitivity to caffeine and the like and he controls his weight better.
 
One of the latest trends in healthy eating is Intermittent Fasting (IF). The basic premise is that when you fast for an extended period of time your body burns stored fat that hasn't been accessible during the "fed" state (8-12 hours after your last meal). There are a few popular IF plans..16:8 ...you fast for 16 hours and limit your eating to within an 8 hour period; 5:2..you eat normally for 5 days per week and reduce your calories to 500-600 per day for 2 days per week; ADF...alternate day fasting where you fast continuously every other day. Another version of IF is the warrior fasting, where you eat like a warrior - fast for 20 hours and eat your daily calories within 4 hours. This is what I have been doing for the past few weeks and have noticed changes in my weight and metabolism. (Weight down, metabolism up). Also, my lunch expenditures have reduced to zero.

Wondering if anyone else has tried IF and how it went.
I don't drink booze during the week. Does that count?
 
How's your energy level with the 4:20 plan?
I know someone who did the 8:16 and was successful in losing weight and feeling good. Not sure if they are still doing it.

Overall I feel more alert. What I have read is that when you fast for a long period, your body eventually starts to go into "hunter" mode, meaning your senses are enhanced so that you can hunt for food.
 
great question...I am glad you asked. My BiL does this twice a year. He gets something from GNC/Amazon. he cuts all coffee and caffeine. He eats nothing but raw veggies the first day or two. After that, he uses some oils and spices on his steamed veggies. All in all, it is about five days. He says that he is not as hungry in the following weeks, resets his sensitivity to caffeine and the like and he controls his weight better.

You should also know that this is not intermittent fasting, and there have been multiple studies that have deemed these "cleanses" as bullshit.
 
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How sustainable is this? A diet is a diet, but for long term results, you have to change your lifestyle and habits. It may take longer, but is far more sustainable.

Exactly. Drastic changes in diet can have drastic consequences despite initial successes.
 
One of the latest trends in healthy eating is Intermittent Fasting (IF). The basic premise is that when you fast for an extended period of time your body burns stored fat that hasn't been accessible during the "fed" state (8-12 hours after your last meal). There are a few popular IF plans..16:8 ...you fast for 16 hours and limit your eating to within an 8 hour period; 5:2..you eat normally for 5 days per week and reduce your calories to 500-600 per day for 2 days per week; ADF...alternate day fasting where you fast continuously every other day. Another version of IF is the warrior fasting, where you eat like a warrior - fast for 20 hours and eat your daily calories within 4 hours. This is what I have been doing for the past few weeks and have noticed changes in my weight and metabolism. (Weight down, metabolism up). Also, my lunch expenditures have reduced to zero.

Wondering if anyone else has tried IF and how it went.
So first and foremost, everyone is different, and some things that work for some people do not work for others. It depends not only on your metabolism, but also on your lifestyle.

I have a friend who swears by this and stays very skinny despite eating whatever he wants during his non fast times.

I tried it two ways (the 5:2 and the 16:8) and made the following observations.

For 16:8

1) I tried to time my fasting so that I would go from dinner time (say 6 pm) until a late breakfast (10 am). You definitely wake up really hungry and it was very tough for me not to have a snack in the evenings. This was also a bummer in terms of alcohol (no beer in the evening).
2) A bigger issue from a logistical perspective was just not having the same schedule every day. In other words, I couldn't always stop my life to make sure that I would eat dinner at 6 pm, which would push back my first meal of the next day which would screw everything up.
3) I also found it tough to work out as normal (i.e. if I work out hard, which usually occurs in the evenings, I need a snack afterwards).

For 5:2, on paper this seems easier, BUT:

1) For the "fast days" I was able to limit my caloric intake pretty easily by eating fruits, veggies, sashimi, grilled chicken, etc. However, I was hungry at certain periods during those days, which made me very cranky (my spouse was not thrilled). It might work better if you can do a bunch of tiny meals throughout the day (e.g six 100 calories meals), but my lifestyle is not conducive to that.

2) Also, it was almost impossible to work out on the fast days. I usually work out between 2 and 4 hours per day, so I'm not sure that the benefits from the fast outweight the benefits lost from not working out.

3) If you totally pig out on the "5" days, this obviously won't work. You need to eat somewhat sensibly on non-fast days for this to work.

4) It's also tough to manage this with your schedule, i.e. do you really want to be doing a fast day for your big work presentation?

I did each of these for a couple of weeks and didn't notice huge differences. My best results in losing weight (260 to 225, kept it off for 5+ years) was just tracking calories every day. I don't worry much about what I eat, just the total delta between calories burned and calories consumed.
 
How sustainable is this? A diet is a diet, but for long term results, you have to change your lifestyle and habits. It may take longer, but is far more sustainable.
I agree with your sentiment but have been doing IF for over 7 years now so I'd say it's very sustainable.

I've never really been hungry in the mornings anyway. I eat from about 3-11p each day and go immediately to bed after my last meal. I find it very easy to lose weight/maintain weight doing this and very difficult to add (good) weight. I can also be much more loose with my diet and have no shortage of cookies and chips and still maintain having abs as long as I keep working out.
YMMV though.
 
No need to do this if one eats better all the time and doesn't let a junk meal, turn into a junk day or junk week. Tracking what one eats everyday and holding one's self accountable, can let you know what is working and what is not working without having to fast. Personally because I workout first thing in the AM there is no way I could skip breakfast afterwards.
 
I think any diet that is too rigid is a recipe for failure. As others have said it has to be sustainable for maintenance after the initial goals are met.

I do a non-strict version of this diet. I don’t eat breakfast most days and have a light lunch. I have a “normal” dinner and try to snack as little as possible at night. I like to have an Italian ice for a sweet snack and maybe a few pieces of cheese.

When I’m really hungry I will eat breakfast or a large lunch but I try to do that infrequently. My main issue is after dinner snacking. If I disciplined I will lose weight. I can snack some and maintain weight using this overall plan, and cut out snacks for a bit if I’m creeping up a bit.
 
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Well, I recently got back into working out after some time away from the gym due to various ailments (a couple of which I still have). I track what I eat and the calories burned through work out using the MyFitnessPal app on my iPhone. It helps me track calories, monitor what I eat and allows me to plan out meals so I cut back on junk. Over the course of the last couple of weeks, I have lost a few pounds, and have started to eat better. But it's important to be honest with yourself - if you try to cheat the app, you really only end up cheating yourself.

I would much prefer to do it this way because for me - this is sustainable. Fasting one day each week would not be for me - not the least of which because of various professional and social obligations that mandate some sort of food and beverage consumption.
 
Exactly. Drastic changes in diet can have drastic consequences despite initial successes.
yeah....you need a trainer or a program to make sure that you are getting the proper nutrients. But it is a reset button for your body. Caffeine, for example, is something your body gets used to. The caffeine you take has less and less affect unto the point where it only has an affect if you quit taking it. That is similar for many other things you ingest. So, properly administered, it is healthy and allows your body to reset itself.
 
It's about finding what works for you. At the end of the day, you need to "burn" more calories than you consume. If intermittent fasting helps you do that and your doctor feels it is a safe option for you, go for it. But in reality, it is not required to lose weight.

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Is skipping breakfast really a drastic change? That’s essentially what IF is, eating between 12:00-8:00 for example. The traditional food pyramid and “breakfast is the most important meal” beliefs, along with counting calories and “low fat” eating, are outdated and have contributed to the current obesity epidemic.

For me, restricting carbs, and mainly eating meat and vegetables along with IF has been wildly successful. 40+ lbs lost in 4.5 months, blood pressure dropped from 135/84 to 120/73, a new wardrobe, and energy to burn.
 
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yeah....you need a trainer or a program to make sure that you are getting the proper nutrients. But it is a reset button for your body. Caffeine, for example, is something your body gets used to. The caffeine you take has less and less affect unto the point where it only has an affect if you quit taking it. That is similar for many other things you ingest. So, properly administered, it is healthy and allows your body to reset itself.

Obli, you're listening a bit too much to the trainers. Detoxing, resetting your body, etc. is total bullshit and has no reputable scientific background. The trainers, including chiropractic "weight specialists," have little to no medical training.

Getting proper nutrients, etc. is the way to go--but just like anything else, too much of a good thing is bad. Of course limiting caffeine helps--it doesn't take a trainer (or a rocket scientist) to figure that one out.
 
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Obli, you're listening a bit too much to the trainers. Detoxing, resetting your body, etc. is total bullshit and has no reputable scientific background. The trainers, including chiropractic "weight specialists," have little to no medical training.

Getting proper nutrients, etc. is the way to go--but just like anything else, too much of a good thing is bad. Of course limiting caffeine helps--it doesn't take a trainer (or a rocket scientist) to figure that one out.
the only people saying juicing/detoxing/etc are good for you are the ones making money off of it
 
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One of the latest trends in healthy eating is Intermittent Fasting (IF). The basic premise is that when you fast for an extended period of time your body burns stored fat that hasn't been accessible during the "fed" state (8-12 hours after your last meal). There are a few popular IF plans..16:8 ...you fast for 16 hours and limit your eating to within an 8 hour period; 5:2..you eat normally for 5 days per week and reduce your calories to 500-600 per day for 2 days per week; ADF...alternate day fasting where you fast continuously every other day. Another version of IF is the warrior fasting, where you eat like a warrior - fast for 20 hours and eat your daily calories within 4 hours. This is what I have been doing for the past few weeks and have noticed changes in my weight and metabolism. (Weight down, metabolism up). Also, my lunch expenditures have reduced to zero.

Wondering if anyone else has tried IF and how it went.

Here's a good blog post from Harvard...
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/intermittent-fasting-surprising-update-2018062914156
 
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the only people saying juicing/detoxing/etc are good for you are the ones making money off of it
WebMD says it can be good. Others do as well. I know of lot of very smart and good people who swear by them.
 
How sustainable is this? A diet is a diet, but for long term results, you have to change your lifestyle and habits. It may take longer, but is far more sustainable.

That's pretty much the key. At the end of day, you have to take in less calories than you expend, in order to not gain/lose weight. Most of these diets aren't sustainable without significant lifestyle and habit changes. They definitely work in the near-term, but it's unrealistic to think that you'll be doing this for the long term. At the same time, our bodies are highly adaptable, and frankly don't really want to lose that much weight. Our metabolisms adjust quite efficiently. And doing these diets a couple of times a year are pretty much the definition of yo-yo dieting, which many studies have shown to actually be harmful to your health, not better.

So many things are making it hard for us to lose weight and keep it off. It's looking like the artificial sweeteners, for example, probably hurt a lot more than they help, if the drinks that they are in are zero calories. These things are being revealed to be unhealthy for all of us, particularly aspartame at this time but probably all of the artificial ones. Stuff like that needs to be cut out as much as possible. We could go on and on about the products that need to be avoided long term in order to stay at a healthy weight.
 
I did KETO for about 7 months. Lost 40 lbs. While on KETO, I found myself absolutely satiated so I naturally went to more of a OMAD (one meal a day) fast. Felt PHENOMINAL, had insane energy and was able to do fasted workouts (crossfit at the end of my fast, so I was basically doing crossfit after being fasted for 20-22 hours). The only thing that KETO affected was my strength. I lost 70 lbs in a month from my 1RM backsquat (370 to 300) however my cardio LOVED KETO. The weight loss and feeling though was what kept me going.

After I got fat adapted, I ended up living at a 16:8 fast every day. Body just naturally fell into it and that really helped me stay at around a 3-500 calorie deficit every day.

About 3 weeks ago I switched from KETO to a lose ZONE diet (macro percentages all around 30-40% instead of the regimented 30% fat, 30% protein 40% carbs), because I wanted to add more carbs to my diet to build up my strength but maintain my weight. I thought for sure i'd add weight in the immediate, but I've lost another 5 lbs in the last 3 weeks. I still do the 16:8 fast every day (eat from 1100-1900) and the carbs I eat are very responsible carbs (no pasta or bread, no unnatural sugar) and I track my macros with myfitness pal. So far today, I've had:

9 eggwhites scrambled with pepper/ham/onion/mushroom/cheese over 3 cups of spinach, an apple, an orange., 3 pieces of bacon and coffee with 1TBSP of butter - 43g carbs/24g fat/44g protein

6 ounces of fish, 1 cup yellow squash, 12 pieces of asparagus, 2 cups chopped romaine with onion and balsamic vinaigrette and 5 mushroom caps - 21g carbs/22g fat/49g protein
 
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I did KETO for about 7 months. Lost 40 lbs. While on KETO, I found myself absolutely satiated so I naturally went to more of a OMAD (one meal a day) fast. Felt PHENOMINAL, had insane energy and was able to do fasted workouts (crossfit at the end of my fast, so I was basically doing crossfit after being fasted for 20-22 hours). The only thing that KETO affected was my strength. I lost 70 lbs in a month from my 1RM backsquat (370 to 300) however my cardio LOVED KETO. The weight loss and feeling though was what kept me going.

After I got fat adapted, I ended up living at a 16:8 fast every day. Body just naturally fell into it and that really helped me stay at around a 3-500 calorie deficit every day.

About 3 weeks ago I switched from KETO to a lose ZONE diet (macro percentages all around 30-40% instead of the regimented 30% fat, 30% protein 40% carbs), because I wanted to add more carbs to my diet to build up my strength but maintain my weight. I thought for sure i'd add weight in the immediate, but I've lost another 5 lbs in the last 3 weeks. I still do the 16:8 fast every day (eat from 1100-1900) and the carbs I eat are very responsible carbs (no pasta or bread, no unnatural sugar) and I track my macros with myfitness pal. So far today, I've had:

9 eggwhites scrambled with pepper/ham/onion/mushroom/cheese over 3 cups of spinach, an apple, an orange., 3 pieces of bacon and coffee with 1TBSP of butter - 43g carbs/24g fat/44g protein

6 ounces of fish, 1 cup yellow squash, 12 pieces of asparagus, 2 cups chopped romaine with onion and balsamic vinaigrette and 5 mushroom caps - 21g carbs/22g fat/49g protein
Is there a published plan for your 16:8 program you can link to? Thanks.
 
I will say that 16:8 is not that hard or crazy. Just means you need to skip breakfast. You eat lunch at normal time around noon and dinner normal time around 6-7. Not like if you eat at 8 PM a couple of times or have to eat lunch at 11AM one day the world ends. It takes a little getting used to but it is not that difficult in most cases if you have the ability to be able to schedule around those times to eat. I think Keto, and Atkins, etc...only work to lose weight in the short term because you end up eating less because you have to cut out certain food groups, ie...the whole less calorie thing. One thing I do think is something that needs to be reduced in most American diets and is a large weight contributor is bad carbohydrates and is why Keto does help people lose weight so fast. Way, way to much sugar in american diets, and not talking fruit sugar but more sweets type of sugar. I know one time I just completely cut out any bad sugar (no soda, sweetened drinks, desserts, etc...) from my diet for 6 months and the weight came off.
 
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Is skipping breakfast really a drastic change? That’s essentially what IF is, eating between 12:00-8:00 for example. The traditional food pyramid and “breakfast is the most important meal” beliefs, along with counting calories and “low fat” eating, are outdated and have contributed to the current obesity epidemic.

For me, restricting carbs, and mainly eating meat and vegetables along with IF has been wildly successful. 40+ lbs lost in 4.5 months, blood pressure dropped from 135/84 to 120/73, a new wardrobe, and energy to burn.

Agree with this. I am 70 and generally never eat breakfast, eat a small lunch at work and then go home and eat what my wife gives me for supper. Try to not eat after supper. So, I am on the 12-8 plan without really thinking I am on it.

I have lost 25 pounds in about 3 months and blood pressure has dropped substantially.

All of this with no exercise, as I am walking around in a boot on one of my feet.

After 3 months, it has become pretty automatic.
 
I did KETO for about 7 months. Lost 40 lbs. While on KETO, I found myself absolutely satiated so I naturally went to more of a OMAD (one meal a day) fast. Felt PHENOMINAL, had insane energy and was able to do fasted workouts (crossfit at the end of my fast, so I was basically doing crossfit after being fasted for 20-22 hours). The only thing that KETO affected was my strength. I lost 70 lbs in a month from my 1RM backsquat (370 to 300) however my cardio LOVED KETO. The weight loss and feeling though was what kept me going.

After I got fat adapted, I ended up living at a 16:8 fast every day. Body just naturally fell into it and that really helped me stay at around a 3-500 calorie deficit every day.

About 3 weeks ago I switched from KETO to a lose ZONE diet (macro percentages all around 30-40% instead of the regimented 30% fat, 30% protein 40% carbs), because I wanted to add more carbs to my diet to build up my strength but maintain my weight. I thought for sure i'd add weight in the immediate, but I've lost another 5 lbs in the last 3 weeks. I still do the 16:8 fast every day (eat from 1100-1900) and the carbs I eat are very responsible carbs (no pasta or bread, no unnatural sugar) and I track my macros with myfitness pal. So far today, I've had:

9 eggwhites scrambled with pepper/ham/onion/mushroom/cheese over 3 cups of spinach, an apple, an orange., 3 pieces of bacon and coffee with 1TBSP of butter - 43g carbs/24g fat/44g protein

6 ounces of fish, 1 cup yellow squash, 12 pieces of asparagus, 2 cups chopped romaine with onion and balsamic vinaigrette and 5 mushroom caps - 21g carbs/22g fat/49g protein
Is there a published plan for your 16:8 program you can link to? Thanks.

When you say published plan, you mean studies? Or a published diet plan?
 
I think Keto, and Atkins, etc...only work to lose weight in the short term because you end up eating less because you have to cut out certain food groups, ie...the whole less calorie thing. One thing I do think is something that needs to be reduced in most American diets and is a large weight contributor is bad carbohydrates and is why Keto does help people lose weight so fast. Way, way to much sugar in american diets, and not talking fruit sugar but more sweets type of sugar. I know one time I just completely cut out any bad sugar (no soda, sweetened drinks, desserts, etc...) from my diet for 6 months and the weight came off.

While I agree that initially you eat less with Keto, for me at least, when I became fat adapted after a month or so, my body craved more food. True initially I was eating maybe 1200-1500 calories for my one meal, but by the second month I was eating 2k at least per day, all Keto. The big thing with Keto, and the reason it worked for me was actually putting my body into a state of Ketosis, the no kidding physiological state where the body switches it’s fuel source from glucose to ketones (fat). I didn’t want to fall out of ketosis so it worked as a forcing function to keep me on the Keto train.

On your second point re: bad carbs, I cannot agree more. 10000000%. One thing Keto does besides forces you off carbs, is it also forces you off sugar. That’s when I learned about insulin response to sugar and what it does for fat storage. Good news though, after not eating ANY sugar (to include fruit) for 7 months, when I went zone and ate my first apple, it was almost TOO sweet. Sugar and BAD carbs are the freaking devil. Carbs from vegetables? Not bad at all.
 
When you say published plan, you mean studies? Or a published diet plan?
Documentation and instructions. Thanks

No. Sorry. For Keto and zone both, I just did a lot of reading and watched a lot of podcasts. Not trying to blow you off, because i talk my ass off re: these diets and how they work for me (just ask my wife, it annoys the crap out of her). I just don’t have any plans to follow. I’ll say though, I’m more than happy to talk about what I did and how I came to that conclusion but I don’t wanna hijack an entire thread about it. If you’d like to know, PM me and we can talk about it there.

That said, I got a lot of my info from the following

KETO
Dr. Rhonda Patrick (joe Rogan podcast)
Dom D’agostino (joe Rogan podcast)
Thomas DeLauer

INTERMITTENT FASTING
Dr Jason Fung
Peter Attia (really gets into autophagy and the benefits of intermittent fasting)
 
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