That's my goal, rather than continually calling someone out on the interwebs because I disagree with them. He has his shit together with his kids.
OT: Live University/Fraternity Shaming coming up at 10AM (link)...
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That's my goal, rather than continually calling someone out on the interwebs because I disagree with them. He has his shit together with his kids.
Wrong. It usually happens because new members deviate from tradition and try something new. Do you think it was a tradition when FAM marching band killed a kid?
Alcohol is ingested at a high rate in a short amount of time. Absorption is still going on while unconscious.
Yeah, I can't disagree with nothing really criminal up to that point. Voluntary drinking as part of a initiation. But, some of my readings on the topic reference witnesses to the deceased face planting on more than one occasion. One of them, the kid face planted after falling down a full flight of stairs. Maybe at this point, the voice of reason should say, let's get the kid some help. One brother made a strong suggestion to call 911, and was derided and brow beaten by the others. Terrible outcome with a death. Legal consequences are justified.
Maybe yes, maybe no. The trial will hopefully be informative. Seems like a ton of video, and text messages to confirm largely what did occur on that evening. The frat boys are at least guilty of tampering with evidence at a possible crime scene.
Bad news and tragedy sells newspapers. Media will be eating this up not for justice, but for profit.
Good Samaritan Law.................. http://www.arjalaw.com/blog/good-samaritan-policy-in-pennsylvania/
As usual, you have no idea what you are talking about. I have first hand experience in the type of thing that happened at beta. I could have been that kid.
glad you agree with him. I don't give two craps about you not liking me calling him out. The details are sickening and I think it's sad he blames the kid who is dead. A family is shattered and a great kid is dead and I know them. So think of me what you will, I don't give a crap.
What if you knew the family of one of the kids being charged and you knew he was a great kid? There's plenty of blame to go around, but to not lay any on the victim because you know him is wrong. I've had some close friends die because they did something stupid. The fact that they died doesn't make their actions any less stupid.
If the evidence is true none of them acted much like "great kids" that night. Luckily the law isn't supposed to care about that. It doesn't say "don't furnish alcohol to minors, unless you are a "great kid" then go ahead!"
The evidence seems pretty clear that they broke at least one law, furnishing alcohol to a minor. You can argue about the morality of such a law but you can't argue that they didn't commit it if the GJP evidence is correct.
They did, and the victim broke the law by drinking underage. Again, I'm not saying these guys shouldn't be punished, I'm saying ruining their lives with some brutal punishment is not the answer. I have no compassion for people who do things with malicious intent. I don't think that was the case here. It was stupidity on the part of many people.
Should their punishment be $$$$$$ rather than resume-killing?
The problem is that there are a fair amount of people cogently arguing against criminal punishment, but then they are against civil punishment as well - bitching about money-hungry plaintiffs, etc.
Without either of those two, what is left? Community Service (which many would weasel out of or Gold-brick through without close supervision), probation???
I wish I knew the answer. Maybe working with kids who have been injured by drunk drivers. Maybe something where they can see the effects of what alcohol can do. Something brutal that they will learn from without destroying their future. The judge may have to think outside the box to educate yet punish. I think college students with a future are different than dregs of society who will never be productive and they should be treated differently. My nephew got into some trouble just out of high school (no deaths involved thank God) but it has ruined his life. He's 29 now and basically has to work part time jobs and scrape together money. Once you go into the system, it's really hard to make a life for yourself. That's why I hate to see a dumb mistake when someone is young destroy the rest of their life.
