OT: More JZ - part 1 of a 2 hour interview (audio link)

[marshall23]

Saying a trial was unfair because you didn't like the outcome doesn't make the trial unfair either. Do the victims not have rights or should they just be on standby anytime a PSU fan has a question on the trial? If the courts give him a new trial so be it. If not, it won't bother me one bit.

Okay, so let's believe every victim who comes forward.
Don't you have a suspicion about the convictions where no victim was ever produced? How about the convictions that had no victim and hearsay testimony only?
I know you're a bright guy so you will agree that it is even difficult to get a murder conviction without a body.

 

[marshall23]

Saying a trial was unfair because you didn't like the outcome doesn't make the trial unfair either. Do the victims not have rights or should they just be on standby anytime a PSU fan has a question on the trial? If the courts give him a new trial so be it. If not, it won't bother me one bit. The janitor who didn't testify. The vicitim who didn't testify....yet every person that did testify can simply be overlooked? It's pretty odd for sure. What I find odd is you'll call me out on my behavior, but others promoting Jerry's cause catch a break. Pretty odd indeed.

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If you award me 3 million dollars, I'll be on standby for the rest of my life.

 

[getmyjive11]

Not the "victim" that matters!

Don't all of the victims matter?

 

[getmyjive11]

V9 only came forward after the November grand jury presentation so Aaron's accusation was publicly known.

By using victim 9's absurd claim that he had lunch with Sandusky and Joe Paterno in Beaver Stadium, I was just pointing out that it may have been better to use a more plausible victim. Even Ray Blehar doesn't have a lot of faith in victim 9's story.

So what? Because he came forward later that means that he could not have been molested?

 

[kingfarouk13]

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If you award me 3 million dollars, I'll be on standby for the rest of my life.

La Jowlla believes Jer caccered everyone of his "victims".

Therefore, La Jawslla is a tonto.

 

[kingfarouk13]

So what? Because he came forward later that means that he could not have been molested?

Go back to PL already, freak.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

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If you award me 3 million dollars, I'll be on standby for the rest of my life.

I wouldn't be and you think money cures what happened to them? I don't think they were entitled to PSU's money either....but man do some people here love to think money makes everything ok.

 

[getmyjive11]

You seem to eventually resort to the same "Ped State" type of slurs that we all have heard at stadiums around the country.
Wanting a fair trial and some rational explanations for what many consider dubious prosecution methods, IS NOT crusading for Jerry Sandusky's innocence. It may be an opportunity to get to more truth and discover what actually happened and what motivated the OAG and others to implicate PSU. If you actually read what I have written, I conjectured that what Jerry did deservedly put him behind bars. Where we seem to differ is, I would like to know what is fact and what has been manufactured. There are in my opinion, many things that don't add up. For instance, the crying janitor............

Whoa, where did LJL ever say "Ped State" or any other "slur"? If you feel that "BWI Jerry crusaders" is a slur, it isn't. It's exactly what you are if you post here on BWI and are someone who wants Jerry to get another trial.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

La Jowlla believes Jer caccered everyone of his "victims".

Therefore, La Jawslla is a tonto.

You really do not help the cause for anyone, anywhere. Whether it's Jerry, PSU, or anyone on this planet.....you're just lost.

 

[marshall23]

I wouldn't be and you think money cures what happened to them? I don't think they were entitled to PSU's money either....but man do some people here love to think money makes thing everything ok.

We just disagree on "what happened" to the victims and what percentage of them are in fact telling the truth.

 

[kingfarouk13]

You really do not help the cause for anyone, anywhere. Whether it's Jerry, PSU, or anyone on this planet.....you're just lost.

And you're a trolling idiot.

 

[getmyjive11]

We just disagree on "what happened" to the victims and what percentage of them are in fact telling the truth.

What percentage do you feel is telling the truth?

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Whoa, where did LJL ever say "Ped State" or any other "slur"? If you feel that "BWI Jerry crusaders" is a slur, it isn't. It's exactly what you are if you post here on BWI and are someone who wants Jerry to get another trial.

Never have, but it makes fora good line for him I guess. The funniest thing is I cannot stand when people say PED state, but this site and threads like this just prove those people right. You see other fans talking about PSU fans saying Jerry is innocent and you know DAMN WELL it is this GD site and bunch of idiots they are talking about.

Even though it is only like 20 or so fans on this site only that really even give a crap about Jerry's "fair" trial. Oh well, they can carry on this huge struggle. You notice how many long time fans never even touch this crap anymore. Most people stop with Jerry is where he needs to be...and the BUT isn't added anymore.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

And you're a trolling idiot.

I was here long before you were pnny...and you really are a well known troll. Hate to pop that bubble...up the dosage.

 

[Osprey Lion]

I can't believe there are another five pages of beating a dead horse.
Here is the bottom line. Sandusky is in jail which is what he so richly
deserves. Paterno's reputation is in tatters and it's not going to recover
The statue isn't coming back and nothing is going to be named for him.
Penn State will be called Ped State and other unsavory names by those
who dislike us for the rest of most of our lives. There is nothing any of you can
do to change those facts so the sooner you "move on" and get over your
unnatural obsessions, the happier you will be.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

We just disagree on "what happened" to the victims and what percentage of them are in fact telling the truth.

So they aren't victims or only partial victims? You mind telling what the percentage of them telling the truth is too?

 

[marshall23]

Well yeah...they weren't as dumb as the leadership up at PSU either. I think they got off for half a billion for 3000 or so victims. Mind boggling that the school allowed one man to do so much damage when this was all found out 2 years after he was retired.

You know, I don't believe the PSU leadership was "dumb." I think they were motivated to put a lid on things.

 

[marshall23]

I can't believe there are another five pages of beating a dead horse.
Here is the bottom line. Sandusky is in jail which is what he so richly
deserves. Paterno's reputation is in tatters and it's not going to recover
The statue isn't coming back and nothing is going to be named for him.
Penn State will be called Ped State and other unsavory names by those
who dislike us for the rest of most of our lives. There is nothing any of you can
do to change those facts so the sooner you "move on" and get over your
unnatural obsessions, the happier you will be.

I don't need to be happy like you.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

You know, I don't believe the PSU leadership was "dumb." I think they were motivated to put a lid on things.

Oh...got it. They ordered the code red....got it. Jerry was just the sacrificial lamb and they bought all of his victims off with the money. Got it.

 

[getmyjive11]

So they aren't victims or only partial victims? You mind telling what the percentage of them telling the truth is too?

I just hope he realizes that any number over 0% means that Jerry is a pedophile and deserves to be in jail.

 

[marshall23]

So they aren't victims or only partial victims? You mind telling what the percentage of them telling the truth is too?

Are you being coy or is it in fact difficult for you to differentiate between unwarranted touching (a crime) and anal sex with a minor. With the former, there can only be testimony. With the later, there would likely be forensic evidence.
Generally, crimes are punished according to severity.

 

[marshall23]

Oh...got it. They ordered the code red....got it. Jerry was just the sacrificial lamb and they bought all of his victims off with the money. Got it.

They had interests of their own to protect. It didn't cost them a penny to do it, either.

 

[getmyjive11]

Oh...got it. They ordered the code red....got it. Jerry was just the sacrificial lamb and they bought all of his victims off with the money. Got it.

Don't you know? They all sat around and said "man, I really hate this Paterno guy being the head coach. Sure he is going to retire after this season and yeah, we have Urban Meyer coming to us when he leaves, but we really need to get him out NOW! Hey... you all know how Jerry likes to spend time with TSM kids... how about we make up that he's a pedophile and pin the whole thing on Joe! Hell, let's bring Curley, Spanier and Schultz in on it as well, just for shits and giggles. Quick, somebody get me Corbett on the phone so that we can really do this the right way!"

Or, the leadership was just shell shocked and incompetent. Hmmmm....

 

[indynittany]

Don't all of the victims matter?

Not in the context of the post to which I was responding.

 

[WeR0206]

Saying a trial was unfair because you didn't like the outcome doesn't make the trial unfair either.

I'm not sure why you keep repeating this but it's complete nonsense. No one is saying the trial was unfair because they didn't like the outcome, they are saying it was unfair due to the laundry list of shenanigans the OAG relied on for some bizarre reason despite their claims of having a rock solid case with dozens of extra victims if needed.

If there were so many victims why in the eff did the OAG go with V2 and V8 where they couldn't even ID who the victims were or any other pertinent details about the allegations?? It makes ZERO logical sense except if the OAG was desperate to tie JS' alleged crimes to PSU so their fellow state agencies could hide in the shadows free from scrutiny. If they were willing to break the rules of professional and ethical conduct to take the heat off their own failed state agencies who is to say they wouldn't do the same to get a conviction with JS or anyone else for that matter? When you add that to all the porn swapping it paints a pretty bad picture for Corbett/fina/et al. as far as their integrity is concerned and how the OAG was run under them.

Why didn't the OAG/judges run the GJ and trial by the book to make sure there was no room for appeal?? Why did it take the OAG over 2 years to actually search JS' house, search TSM (no warrant needed), subpoena Centre County CYS, or ask UPPD for any previous reports??

Why didn't the judge allow for any continuances or allow JS' lawyers to step down when they said they couldn't represent him properly?? The judge also allowed JM to claim he was never at the 12/16/11 prelim among a number of other bizarre decisions (see allowing the OAG to use a stool to make MM's ridiculous story make sense).

The GJ process, false GJ presentment (which tainted the entire jury pool another fina trademark), and trial were a complete cluster f*** and made mockery of the judicial system.

Anyone who received that kind of jurisprudence and was ok with it would be out of their mind. Unfortunately due to the unprofessional way the OAG put on their case we are left with more questions than answers.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Are you being coy or is it in fact difficult for you to differentiate between unwarranted touching (a crime) and anal sex with a minor. With the former, there can only be testimony. With the later, there would likely be forensic evidence.
Generally, crimes are punished according to severity.

Believe what you have to!

 

[indynittany]

Don't you know? They all sat around and said "man, I really hate this Paterno guy being the head coach. Sure he is going to retire after this season and yeah, we have Urban Meyer coming to us when he leaves, but we really need to get him out NOW! Hey... you all know how Jerry likes to spend time with TSM kids... how about we make up that he's a pedophile and pin the whole thing on Joe! Hell, let's bring Curley, Spanier and Schultz in on it as well, just for shits and giggles. Quick, somebody get me Corbett on the phone so that we can really do this the right way!"

Or, the leadership was just shell shocked and incompetent. Hmmmm....

Corbett was the one making the phone calls and pulling everyone's chain.

 

[elvis63]

"Victims" who didn't testify yet.

Can you give us your next few screen names so I don't have to take three posts to figure it out? That would be great.

 

[WeR0206]

They had interests of their own to protect. It didn't cost them a penny to do it, either.

To be frank, anyone who still thinks our BOT took the actions they did out of sheer incompetence hasn't been paying much attention the past few years. These were carefully calculated efforts.

When the GJP bombshell shocked the world did Frazier and all the other lawyers on our BOT suddenly forget all of their legal training and forget that a GJP is a NON factual one sided prosecutor's document? Why did they take such drastic actions based on complete crap?? That's only one example.

Were there some sheep on the bot, sure, but the folks who were really driving the ship via the BOT inner circle knew exactly what they were doing.

 

[getmyjive11]

Corbett was the one making the phone calls and pulling everyone's chain.

Yes, sorry. Let me start over.

"Ahhh, that damn Spanier... always fighting me for more money from the state! I gotta get him out of here! I know... that Jerry guy always seemed a bit weird... let's make him a pedophile and somehow show that Spanier knew about a possible incident! We'll get Paterno in on it as well... what a hoot!"

 

[marshall23]

To be frank, anyone who still thinks our BOT took the actions they did out of sheer incompetence hasn't been paying much attention the past few years. These were carefully calculated efforts.

When the GJP bombshell shocked the world did Frazier and all the other lawyers on our BOT suddenly forget all of their legal training and forget that a GJP is a NON factual one sided prosecutor's document? Why did they take such drastic actions based on complete crap?? That's only one example.

Were there some sheep on the bot, sure, but the folks who were really driving the ship via the BOT inner circle knew exactly what they were doing.

And that's why they brought back the enforcer to be the chair.

 

[indynittany]

How does Aaron Fisher's case have any bearing on what Jerry did the to other victims? So if he didn't molest Aaron then he didn't molest victim 9?

It doesn't frighten me all all. You are being ridiculous.

Because the other victims never claimed sexual abuse initially, only after they were cajoled into it by the prosecution and the promise of $ millions.

 

[kingfarouk13]

Can you give us your next few screen names so I don't have to take three posts to figure it out? That would be great.

You first TOS banned clown.

 

[getmyjive11]

Because the other victims never claimed sexual abuse initially, only after they were cajoled into it by the prosecution and the promise of $ millions.

That's incorrect.

 

[kingfarouk13]

I was here long before you were pnny...and you really are a well known troll. Hate to pop that bubble...up the dosage.

You first..busted on TOS, ESPN, PL.

 

[kingfarouk13]

That's incorrect.

It's fact, Arnie.

 

[francofan]

So what? Because he came forward later that means that he could not have been molested?

I am not saying that. Of course he still could have been molested. That being said, I believe that those who came forward before the November 2011 gjp are more credible than those who came forward after Penn State admitted culpability. On face value, I would say victim 1 had the most credibility as he was the first accuser to come forward. At the same time, I believe that he has some credibility issues that he might surface if he ever faced cross-examination.

 

[getmyjive11]

I am not saying that. Of course he still could have been molested. That being said, I believe that those who came forward before the November 2011 gjp are more credible than those who came forward after Penn State admitted culpability. On face value, I would say victim 1 had the most credibility as he was the first accuser to come forward. At the same time, I believe that he has some credibility issues that he might surface if he ever faced cross-examination.

They were all credible. They only were not credible if you never wanted to believe them.

 

[indynittany]

That's incorrect.

Other than Aaron Fisher, whose stepfather has something like 100 charges of CSA against him, I believe only the kid who claimed he had lunch with Jerry and Joe said he was sexually abused initially.

V2 never said it. Oh wait, the prosecution hid him in the woods during the trial and failed to disclose their knowledge of his identity because he put in writing that Jerry never abused him.

V6 never claimed sexual abuse. He did, however, text Jerry on Father's Day, 2011 to tell him how blessed he was to have Ole' Jerry in his life.

The janitor case had no victim, no report of a crime, no established date for said crime, no physical evidence of a crime and, after the fact, we've learned that the actual witness said that it was not Jerry Sandusky whom he saw. Sandusky should get a retrial based on this case alone!

 

[LaJolla Lion]

I'm not sure why you keep repeating this but it's complete nonsense. No one is saying the trial was unfair because they didn't like the outcome, they are saying it was unfair due to the laundry list of shenanigans the OAG relied on for some bizarre reason despite their claims of having a rock solid case with dozens of extra victims if needed.

If there were so many victims why in the eff did the OAG go with V2 and V8 where they couldn't even ID who the victims were or any other pertinent details about the allegations?? It makes ZERO logical sense except if the OAG was desperate to tie JS' alleged crimes to PSU so their fellow state agencies could hide in the shadows free from scrutiny. If they were willing to break the rules of professional and ethical conduct to take the heat off their own failed state agencies who is to say they wouldn't do the same to get a conviction with JS or anyone else for that matter? When you add that to all the porn swapping it paints a pretty bad picture for Corbett/fina/et al. as far as their integrity is concerned and how the OAG was run under them.

Why didn't the OAG/judges run the GJ and trial by the book to make sure there was no room for appeal?? Why did it take the OAG over 2 years to actually search JS' house, search TSM (no warrant needed), subpoena Centre County CYS, or ask UPPD for any previous reports??

Why didn't the judge allow for any continuances or allow JS' lawyers to step down when they said they couldn't represent him properly?? The judge also allowed JM to claim he was never at the 12/16/11 prelim among a number of other bizarre decisions (see allowing the OAG to use a stool to make MM's ridiculous story make sense).

The GJ process, false GJ presentment (which tainted the entire jury pool another fina trademark), and trial were a complete cluster f*** and made mockery of the judicial system.

Anyone who received that kind of jurisprudence and was ok with it would be out of their mind. Unfortunately due to the unprofessional way the OAG put on their case we are left with more questions than answers.

So the 8 victims who actually testified weren't enough? Ok. We'll ignore them and their testimony.