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The Spin Meister said:
So you invest $50,000 over fifty years and end up with $10 million. A payback of 200-1 over a fifty year time span.

Or put in $20,000 and end up with over $65 million. A payback ratio of over 3,200 -1 over a shorter time span…….Nvidia IPO’d in 1999 (25 yrs ago) and had a better ROI than Apple by far,

Do you say a 3,200x payback over an average of 35 yrs is no big deal. 👯‍♀️
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Your post is something Cramer would post. If you had had made a prediction BEFORE nvda or apple went up that would be impressive. Posting after the fact is not as impressive. We can all look up the top performers.

Tell us the next stock to go up 10,000% from today.

I even suggested a fantasy league for stock picks. We will use Monopoly money and each invest 10k in one to five stocks. I would like to see some picks.
 
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voltz99 said:
Your post is something Cramer would post. If you had had made a prediction BEFORE nvda or apple went up that would be impressive. Posting after the fact is irrelevant. We can all look up the top performers.

Tell us the next stock to go up 10,000% from today.

I even suggested a fantasy league for stock picks. We will use Monopoly money and each invest 10k in one to five stocks. I would like to see some picks.
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I like the idea for the stock game with one caveat. Is there a game that permits a regular investment? I think one of the most powerful lessons for investors is how regular (perhaps even automatic) investment on a recurring basis combined with compounding over a long time will build a nest egg that you may have not previously imagined was possible.

The game as I see it would allow you to add $1000 play money to your game account each month. So you could dollar-cost-average or build a portfolio with reasonable diversification. Just throwing $10k play money in a game account and picking 1 to 5 stocks would reinforce a trader's mentality. That I believe would be detrimental. We want to develop long term investor's mentality.

This is what I do with my niece and nephews. I started UTMA (Universal Transfer To Minors) accounts for them (in lieu of the more expensive gifts I did when they were really little which progressed to 529 college plans and then eventually to UTMA when their college appeared to be covered sufficiently.

So for the past few years I've been doing UTMA accounts for them which receive a monthly investment that goes into the UTMA money market. Then the kids who have learned how to select ETFs by their 10 year returns and expense ratios (not going any deeper at this stage) buy ETFs. Beyond learning what a brokerage account is, a 529 plan is, a UTMA account is, a Roth IRA is, what they are and how to select ETFs, the kids are learning the invaluable lesson of just how much their account balances grow with a regular, automatic, monthly investment. I wish every kid could learn these things.

The other byproducts of converting gifts into monthly 529 plan contributions and then UTMA investments is that they will leave college with 0 loans and between $25k and $50k in a UTMA account that becomes their brokerage account that they control when they turn 21. Not a bad start to their financial lives. They know to at least contribute up to the matching amount of a 401k and hopefully have learned to invest at least 13% of their income to that 401k to meet retirement goals (more if they have other goals, home ownership, 2nd home, etc.). And even if they just leave $25k to compound from age 21 to 65 they will have $1.65 million (at 10% average return). That won't be enough for them. Today's kids will need at least $10 million for a comfortable retirement (more if inflation remains as elevated as it has been the last few years).
 
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The real question is what is the next NVDA, AAPL, GOOGL, AMZN,

Anyone have any picks?
 
voltz99 said:
The real question is what is the next NVDA, AAPL, GOOGL, AMZN,

Anyone have any picks?
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This is pretty hard to do. If we knew the next one of those, it would be potentially life changing. The crazy thing is that many may own it and sell it while it still is not seen as the next one of these monster growth stocks. Many small, growth stocks in newer markets or market niches are really beat down right now and give the appearance of potentially going under.

The Russell 2k (small cap stocks) is down well over 30% the last 3 years. Small companies are being killed off at a rate not seen in a very long time. So which ones survive may be the absolute best of the best. But more than in nearly any other period are going under.
 
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EdwardoCarrachio said:
This is pretty hard to do. If we knew the next one of those, it would be potentially life changing. The crazy thing is that many may own it and sell it while it still is not seen as the next one of these monster growth stocks. Many small, growth stocks in newer markets or market niches are really beat down right now and give the appearance of potentially going under.

The Russell 2k (small cap stocks) is down well over 30% the last 3 years. Small companies are being killed off at a rate not seen in a very long time. So which ones survive may be the absolute best of the best. But more than in nearly any other period are going under.
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You don't have to buy IPOs or small small caps. You can split the difference and invest in a successful established company with market cap over a billion. Apple's market cap increased 3000x when they went from a billion to 3 trillion. The point is there is still plenty of upside after a company becomes a large cap. There is also less risk.

PS. Apple is up another 6% today.
 
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voltz99 said:
Any insight on SMCI, LLY, PANW, TSM or AVGO(Broadcom)?
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Every news network the past month or two has had stories about how we will not have near enough electric power in five years. Huge data centers, cloud computing, AI, EVs, automation….. no way that much demand can be met.

People are betting on wind and solar, dome on nat gas, some on nuclear. I hzve no idea which will win out and believe all would be decent investments.

But one thing I do know is that every single electric source will need substations and transformers to move all that power.

So who is the biggest, baddest, bestest transformer/substation supplier? That would be my bet.

Like the guys that sold picks and shovels to California gold miners. They made money while most miners failed.
 
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The Spin Meister said:
Every news network the past month or two has had stories about how we will not have near enough electric power in five years. Huge data centers, cloud computing, AI, EVs, automation….. no way that much demand can be met.

People are betting on wind and solar, dome on nat gas, some on nuclear. I hzve no idea which will win out and believe all would be decent investments.

But one thing I do know is that every single electric source will need substations and transformers to move all that power.

So who is the biggest, baddest, bestest transformer/substation supplier? That would be my bet.

Like the guys that sold picks and shovels to California gold miners. They made money while most miners failed.
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I'm don't know the biggest but CEG has had the biggest run up. Actually rivals the AI run up.
 
voltz99 said:
I'm don't know the biggest but CEG has had the biggest run up. Actually rivals the AI run up.
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CEG is a public utility company with three dozen or so power plants. It’s not a company that makes transformers or substations, not even close.

Do you own it? Trying to pump the stock?
 
The Spin Meister said:
CEG is a public utility company with three dozen or so power plants. It’s not a company that makes transformers or substations, not even close.

Do you own it? Trying to pump the stock?
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No need to pump it since it is one of the best performers the last 3 years. Were you pumping APPL? CEG out performed apple the last three years.

Who cares if they make transformers? They generate electric and AI needs a lot of electric. Those little ceg power plants are called nukes.
 
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Lesgo_Brandon said:
Well, his name is Voltz so maybe.....
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Like I said, no need to pump a stock that far outperformed apple the last three years. It wasn't by a little either.

Spin meister brought up electric, and the ai need for power. I pointed out ceg is the top performer.
 
voltz99 said:
No need to pump it since it is one of the best performers the last 3 years. Were you pumping APPL? CEG out performed apple the last three years. Now get your shine box!

Who cares if they make transformers? They generate electric and AI needs a lot of electric. Those little ceg power plants are called nukes.
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I never praised Apple. Didn’t ask who out shined it or what company did great.

Asked what company is the leader in transformers and/or substations….. you posted CEG. As if.

You didn’t answer about ownership…..hmmmnnn.
 
Someone mentioned proprietary trading firm and that got me thinking. These firms have a unique edge 'cause they trade with their own money, not clients'. So they're super motivated to be right and make a profit.

About the shocking info in the market, it's all about the ups and downs. Markets are unpredictable, and that's what keeps it interesting! The key is to stay informed and maybe even consider learning a bit from those proprietary trading firms. They have strategies and resources that can give you a new perspective on how to handle the market's craziness.
 
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voltz99 said:
Like I said, no need to pump a stock that far outperformed apple the last three years. It wasn't by a little either.

Spin meister brought up electric, and the ai need for power. I pointed out ceg is the top performer.
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I was making a funny. 😉 Plus, how much stock pumping could one expect on a page with 10s of views!
 
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voltz99 said:
The real question is what is the next NVDA, AAPL, GOOGL, AMZN,

Anyone have any picks?
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I bought Palantir when it was mad cheap. It’s my second-highest returning stock behind NVDA. They were doing AI before everyone else and provide high-volume data analysis for both private corporations and the government, which means it not only gets the high growth potential of private industry but also the stability of government funding should tough times hit the stock market.

I don’t know that it would ever hit a market cap of those companies (top 5) but I certainly think it could get close (top 50 or so) as both fiscal, economic, geopolitical, and military tensions rise globally.
 
The Spin Meister said:
CEG is a public utility company with three dozen or so power plants. It’s not a company that makes transformers or substations, not even close.

Do you own it? Trying to pump the stock?
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CEG Up 45 mid day. Over 20%.
 
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joeaubie21 said:
What if you put $10K in gold in the '70s?
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I'm not sure what the 70s is so let's go with 1975.

Gold was $160 and is now $2,600 (16x)
S&P 500 was 75 and is now 5,700 (76x)

And gold didn't pay dividends along the way.
 
bdgan said:
I don't think any legitimate financial advisor would suggest that people take as much risk as possible. That sounds more like speculation than investing. They would advise younger people that they have the luxury of time to withstand the ups and downs of the market and that equities have a better historical return over time than more conservative investments like bonds. They would still recommend diversification.
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You can still be diversified and have high risk.
 
PSU4U said:
Obviously, you're not average what that means I can't tell you.
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I think that is a bogus stat. Wiki says there are 22 million millionaires and only 460k bankruptcies a year.

The average millionaire is ma and Pa Kettle/Joe the plumber who just went to work everyday and saved a small amount consistently. The secretary or janitor who leaves 10 million to their church.
 
Anyone have any picks? We are all looking for the next NVDA, AAPL, AMZN. I am not pushing anyone to buy. Just throw some names out there.
 
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voltz99 said:
Anyone have any picks? We are all looking for the next NVDA, AAPL, AMZN. I am not pushing anyone to buy. Just throw some names out there.
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Wish I would have bought in to the power company stock you posted. Do you think it's still a buy with a couple % of its ath?

I'm starting to (slowly) collect dividend stocks. SCHD, PFLT, O.

I bought a little bit of KULR. it's down a little, but supposedly going to rebound into the $40s.

XRP crypto. Solana. Even Btcoin is good for 5% or so buy low, sell highs lately.
 
lazydave841 said:
Wish I would have bought in to the power company stock you posted. Do you think it's still a buy with a couple % of its ath?

I'm starting to (slowly) collect dividend stocks. SCHD, PFLT, O.

I bought a little bit of KULR. it's down a little, but supposedly going to rebound into the $40s.

XRP crypto. Solana. Even Btcoin is good for 5% or so buy low, sell highs lately.
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CEG is a mystery to me. They have had a huge run-up. It has been going crazy the last month. Years ago nukes were out of favor. Suddenly nuke energy stocks like CEG and Vistra are hot. If it falls it will fall as fast as it ran up.


I only mentioned CEG after Spin Meister said AI needs tons of power. Ceg and Vistra supply power and were two of the big performers last year.

One company that intrigues me is SMR. They make mobile small modular reactors(SMR) that can be used to power buildings. I don't think they have any sales or profits but the concept is interesting. They have been moving up.

Another one that interests me is SoundHound. They are into voice activated ai. Nvda is an investor. They have some sales and are growing.

I am not recommending any of the stocks I listed. It is all speculation.
 
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voltz99 said:
CEG is a mystery to me. They have had a huge run-up. It has been going crazy the last month. Years ago nukes were out of favor. Suddenly nuke energy stocks like CEG and Vistra are hot. If it falls it will fall as fast as it ran up.


I only mentioned CEG after Spin Meister said AI needs tons of power. Ceg and Vistra supply power and were two of the big performers last year.

One company that intrigues me is SMR. They make mobile small modular reactors(SMR) that can be used to power buildings. I don't think they have any sales or profits but the concept is interesting. They have been moving up.

Another one that interests me is SoundHound. They are into voice activated ai. Nvda is an investor. They have some sales and are growing.

I am not recommending any of the stocks I listed. It is all speculation.
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My investment club had Soundhound at $4.93 turned around and sold it $19.58. We honestly thought it was maxing out at around $20. It will be interesting to see if they can bust loose from that 20 range. We have a bunch of shares of ANVS stock. It’s one of the few long term stocks we are willing to hang on and see what happens. We probably should have sold it when it went over 15, but what the heck!!! We have done really good with HWN and RDDT of late.
 
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We doubled are money after sitting on SOFI a while. I truly believe in the SOFI concept, but was relieved to get the return we got. That’s a real mystery of a stock. I hope it goes to the moon and back for you.
 
voltz99 said:
The real question is what is the next NVDA, AAPL, GOOGL, AMZN,

Anyone have any picks?
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The two plays I made for long-term future growth were:

1)NUKZ, a nuclear power ETF that includes uranium mining, small nuke plant manufacturers, and utility stocks. Nuclear power will have to become our baseload power supply for a variety of reasons.

2) TSLA, which I bought around May of last year. I’m much more interested in TSLA for its innovations in robotics and self-driving technology than as a car company.

On the other hand, I am limiting exposure to AAPL, as they seem to have lost their way in terms of innovation. They will still be a successful company, but they remind me a bit of IBM when that company rested on its laurels in the 1980’s.
 
dbbp said:
My investment club had Soundhound at $4.93 turned around and sold it $19.58. We honestly thought it was maxing out at around $20. It will be interesting to see if they can bust loose from that 20 range. We have a bunch of shares of ANVS stock. It’s one of the few long term stocks we are willing to hang on and see what happens. We probably should have sold it when it went over 15, but what the heck!!! We have done really good with HWN and RDDT of late.
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$4.93 was only a few months ago.
It got up to 24 a couple weeks ago. I think the 1 yr price target was raised to 25.
 
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