Any surprises? Any final proof of what really happened? Who will be hurt/embarrassed the most?
Or will it be a big nothing burger?
What say you?
Or will it be a big nothing burger?
What say you?
OT; The Kennedy assasination files released today. What will they disclose?
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My biggest hope is this doesn't lead to me hearing the term "nothing burger" a lot. 
That Oswald acted alone.
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Here's a Politico article from 2015 which may give you an idea of why the documents have been under lock and key.
Here's another one.
Keep in mind that the crazy theory about an Oswald “imposter” in Mexico may not be so crazy. Oswald did indeed go to Mexico City and appeared at the Cuban and Soviet embassies – several witnesses confirmed it and there is other evidence – but many popular conspiracy theories focus on the possibility that a CIA agent or someone else impersonated Oswald in Mexico for at least part of the trip. After the assassination, there was special confusion within the FBI and CIA over reports that telephone calls in Mexico City—on phones tapped by the CIA—suggested that a man claiming to be Oswald in calls with the Soviet and Cuban embassies was someone else; the voice sounded different. Was the caller actually working for the CIA? That seems possible, if only because the CIA’s Mexico City station had a program of trying to intercept potential Americans defectors or spies who, at the height of the Cold War, regularly showed up at the door of Cuban and Soviet embassies in Mexico. Was it possible that the CIA, learning of Oswald’s arrival in Mexico, sent an agent to intercept him before some of his planned meetings with Cuban or Soviet agents, or that a CIA agent pretended to be Oswald in some of the phone calls? The CIA officer who ran operations directed at the Cuban embassy was the David Atlee Phillips, and his files are among the documents scheduled to be released this week. The CIA claimed to the Warren Commission it had no surveillance photos of Oswald in Mexico and had routinely erased tapes of his wiretapped phone calls there; CIA officers would tell Congress years later that photos and tapes had survived.
Keep in mind that the crazy theory about an Oswald “imposter” in Mexico may not be so crazy. Oswald did indeed go to Mexico City and appeared at the Cuban and Soviet embassies – several witnesses confirmed it and there is other evidence – but many popular conspiracy theories focus on the possibility that a CIA agent or someone else impersonated Oswald in Mexico for at least part of the trip. After the assassination, there was special confusion within the FBI and CIA over reports that telephone calls in Mexico City—on phones tapped by the CIA—suggested that a man claiming to be Oswald in calls with the Soviet and Cuban embassies was someone else; the voice sounded different. Was the caller actually working for the CIA? That seems possible, if only because the CIA’s Mexico City station had a program of trying to intercept potential Americans defectors or spies who, at the height of the Cold War, regularly showed up at the door of Cuban and Soviet embassies in Mexico. Was it possible that the CIA, learning of Oswald’s arrival in Mexico, sent an agent to intercept him before some of his planned meetings with Cuban or Soviet agents, or that a CIA agent pretended to be Oswald in some of the phone calls? The CIA officer who ran operations directed at the Cuban embassy was the David Atlee Phillips, and his files are among the documents scheduled to be released this week. The CIA claimed to the Warren Commission it had no surveillance photos of Oswald in Mexico and had routinely erased tapes of his wiretapped phone calls there; CIA officers would tell Congress years later that photos and tapes had survived.
Another one I've been hearing lately... "There is no 'there' there". WTF?My biggest hope is this doesn't lead to me hearing the term "nothing burger" a lot.
Can't embarrass the magic bullet man, Arlen Specter...................He's dead. He remained an embarrassment his entire life.
Yes, I agree - somehow, they are tied in with JFK's death. Without a doubt. Maybe Woody was the second shooter.
I predict the response by the conspiracy theorists will be that the trip to Mexico was part of a plot to kill JFK despite the fact that if that were the case the plan would have to have been, get a job in a building in Dallas and then wait until JFK rode in an open car past the building and then shoot him as he rode past.
ETA: Either that or that Kramer, Newman, Keith Hernandez and Roger McDowell were involved.
ETA: Either that or that Kramer, Newman, Keith Hernandez and Roger McDowell were involved.
Oswald Acted Alone - That is the conclusion of the Warren Report and the "Story" that most of the public believes.
"..a single gunman killed Kennedy.."
After more than 50 years, I can't tell you who killed Kennedy...BUT ...I can tell you this -
Look at the new forensic photo evidence of the "kill shot to the head". The entry hole in the skull is a smaller caliber than that of the "surplus" rifle used by Oswald (The Single Gun Conclusion of the Warren Report). Additionally...the shell type that killed Kennedy was a "mushroom" slug that explodes internally. The forensics released confirm this 100%. The Oswald rife shell was of standard construction in addition to being of a significantly larger caliber.
So much for the truthfulness of another Multimillion$$$ report to the public.
Check out Peter Jennings documentary "Beyond Conspiracy"...believe it was released in 2003...will put to doubt any "conspiracy" theories. Oswald did it alone..period.
[QUOTE="Mace54, post: 3069088, member: 2394"]I'm sure the documents have been scrubbed; probably nothing earth-shattering. But I do appreciate that the tax payers are finally getting information that they deserve. Roswell files are next.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure they were, using the Louie Freeh method of course.
I'm sure they were, using the Louie Freeh method of course.
Oswald's rifle was a 6.5 mm or a .264. Considering that there is no significantly smaller calibers [.22 the smallest], I doubt you could tell a difference in the entry wound. I don't know about "exploding internally", or a "mushroom bullet", but I assume you are talking about a soft point rather than a full jacketed bullet. The pristine bullet that was recovered was almost certainly a full jacketed round, probably military surplus.
well, may be true....but after shooting hundreds of animals, they don't go "back and to the left" when shot from behind.
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Louis Freeh is offering to do an investigation for the highest bidder .... guarantees the winning bidder will love his results
Well..it's been going on 55 years now. There is more info out there that he did indeed act alone than there is that there is a cover-up. I believe what was found out in Beyond Conspiracy, the Jennings documentary. Have never seen anything better. And Gerald Posner's book...convinced me.
I live outside Dallas, I've taken the 6th Floor Museum tour twice and freely roamed around Dealy Plaza . . . I'm also a fan of Stephen King's book/mini-series "11/22/63"
in his afterward to the book, King asserts he was granted unlimited access to the largest collection of material to date, and I agree with his conclusion:
Oswald was the lone gunman.
in his afterward to the book, King asserts he was granted unlimited access to the largest collection of material to date, and I agree with his conclusion:
Oswald was the lone gunman.
What about him? Has it ever been PROVEN that he was hired by the mob to off Oswald? Or is this just a theory? Maybe he was like the documentary said...a guy who had access to the dallas cops and was just pissed that his president was shot dead.
Have you ever seen a bullet that has passed through bone? Even full metal jacket rounds flatten, and this bullet passed through Kennedy's skull twice and then through the governor's wrist... no way that is could possibly have remained intact... impossible.
I'll try to dig up a fascinating article about Ruby's day, but you're right
IIRC, he was bailing out one of his "waitresses" from his club that morning when he was told Oswald was being transferred. and he realized how close he was, and was just apparently pissed about it.
Never understood why an ex marine living in Louisiana and Texas would go out of their way to buy a mail order rifle, seems odd. I guess rifles were hard to come by in Texas in the 60s?
If you have a lot...a LOT...of time and you want to read about the JFK assassination then check out Vincent Bugliosi's "Reclaiming History." Be warned though that it's something like 1600 pages.
As far as Ruby goes, before he shot Oswald he went to the cabling office...whatever it was called...to cable one of his dancers some money (because she couldn't dance to make money at Ruby's club because Ruby was so upset about the assassination he closed his club). There was one person ahead of Ruby in line at the cabling office. If there had been two or if the one person had taken longer, then by the time Ruby finished his business at the cabling office and walked over to where Oswald was being transferred, Oswald would have already been gone.
As far as Ruby goes, before he shot Oswald he went to the cabling office...whatever it was called...to cable one of his dancers some money (because she couldn't dance to make money at Ruby's club because Ruby was so upset about the assassination he closed his club). There was one person ahead of Ruby in line at the cabling office. If there had been two or if the one person had taken longer, then by the time Ruby finished his business at the cabling office and walked over to where Oswald was being transferred, Oswald would have already been gone.
Never understood why an ex marine living in Louisiana and Texas would go out of their way to buy a mail order rifle, seems odd. I guess rifles were hard to come by in Texas in the 60s?
He used that rifle seven months earlier to try to assassinate General Edwin Walker (a pro-segregationist General that had been drummed out of the US Army and who was crusading to keep segregation going). I didn't follow this case closely at all for a long time and when I finally looked into it and learned that Oswald had already tried to assassinate another public figure before JFK I was shocked. It's amazing that doesn't get mentioned more when the JFK case is talked about.
Ruby had a pretty unstable personality and if the mob was going to hire someone for a job that important they'd have probably hired someone more reliable.
For that matter, if Oswald was involved with the mob in killing JFK they probably would have had it planned to take him away (either to safety or to kill him) right after the assassination instead of having Oswald wandering the streets of Dallas until he was caught by the police.
So Oswald "defected" to Russia, after he was an operator at the U2 spy plane base with all the information he knew, and when he was ready to come back the US government loaned him money to help him get settled? The FBI said they weren't interested in interviewing him? So he's just a simple "lone nut" that offed the president all by himself? Why all the secrecy? Why did the government have to hide away thousands of documents for 50 years? Why are so many of them completely redacted? Just a lone nut, right? Seems pretty straight forward.
Slightly off topic but there is a triology of books by Gregg Isles, it starts with Natchez Burning, that does a really interesting spin on the JFK, RFK, MLK assassinations.
Its one of those historical fact mixed with a lot of fiction type books.
Pretty good read.
Like I said...I believe the documentary I watched a thousand times. I believe what I read in Posner's book. You got any answers to those questions you asked? Like I said..watch the documentary then get back to me. All you have are questions...Jennnings documentary gives answers.
