Subject is travel/food advice. You responded to a post from June 2021. I bumped for advice on Flagstaff. Lol. There is an Old Town Flagstaff.
If in Flagstaff, get a burger at Diablo Burger. It was excellent. Visited there in September 2021. Spent about 2 hours in Flagstaff, on the way back from the Grand Canyon while in Sedona.Subject is travel/food advice. You responded to a post from June 2021. I bumped for advice on Flagstaff. Lol. There is an Old Town Flagstaff.
You are wrong - I responded to the San Diego question! I even quoted it.Subject is travel/food advice. You responded to a post from June 2021. I bumped for advice on Flagstaff. Lol. There is an Old Town Flagstaff.
Yes I have, a bunch. Sorry I didn’t look at the original date.I am sure Pawrestler is glad you you responded 7 months later. Have you been to Flagstaff?
Bump. Taking a breath between Iowa and Ohio State. Heading to Flagstaff in July. Looking to four wheel with my Bronco Sport. Anyone have recommendations ? Also food and brewery reviews. Have already booked lodging north of Flagstaff. Bringing the dogs as I have heard Flagstaff is very dog friendly.
Thanks!! Great resource. Now if I can only get some food and beverage reviews. Personal anecdotes are the best. Online reviews(Yelp, Trip Advisor, HR etc) can be manipulated. Can you imagine a food review from Ironbird?
" Chef was paid for by the Slush Fund"
If you could post some of your planning notes for Southern Utah, NM etc much appreciated. I am interesting visiting Utah in 2023.I should've added: the Sedona area is very colorful, lots of red rocks. Flagstaff is much more high desert (and high altitude), pine forests and not as much color. We ran into a fairly thick blizzard in Flagstaff on our return drive to PHX. I wouldn't expect that in July, but it could get cold at night.
Anyway, fire away if you have other questions. I don't know much about offroading but still have most of my planning notes from various trips to AZ, southern UT, northern NM, etc.
If you could post some of your planning notes for Southern Utah, NM etc much appreciated. I am interesting visiting Utah in 2023.
I visited Sedona and Grand Canyon last September, will provided info for anyone interested. We were there Labor Day weekend, crowded but manageable.
Will you be visiting the National Parks in southern Utah? We just recently returned from a trip that included the southern 3 of the Mighty 5. Be happy to share.If you could post some of your planning notes for Southern Utah, NM etc much appreciated. I am interesting visiting Utah in 2023.
I visited Sedona and Grand Canyon last September, will provided info for anyone interested. We were there Labor Day weekend, crowded but manageable.
Roar, that is the plan, national parks in southern Utah. There is so much to see, looks like you cannot do it in a week. Then you have Grand Canyon and Monument Valley too.Will you be visiting the National Parks in southern Utah? We just recently returned from a trip that included the southern 3 of the Mighty 5. Be happy to share.
Thanks for the excellent information!Scenic Rt 12 lives up to the moniker. Drive as much of itvas you can.
Grand Staircase Escalante Natl Monument: SKIP (do not stray from Rt 12). It's all unpaved desert roads, and the "sights" aren't. Worse, miss an unmarked turn and you'll be on a 3-hr bumpy detour all the way to Arizona, with no turn-arounds, gas, or cell service. But you'll see live cattle drives.
I didn't get as far east as Capitol Reef, Canyonland, or Arches. Will have to be a future trip.
One more note: the eastern exit of Zion is about 90 min from Page AZ. Page is worth 2 days for the Lake Powell boat to Rainbow Bridge (7 hrs + a mild hike), Antelope Canyon (gorgeous slot canyon), and Horseshoe Bend. Recommend Canyon King Pizzeria, located inside a former paddlewheel steamboat.
Thank you very much!Decided to post anyway, since others may be interested.
-- Flew into Las Vegas, easiest place to rent a car. Could have done Salt Lake City, but we did not want to do Canyonlands or Arches on this trip.
-- We drove 5 hrs on day 1, to Torrey, UT. Wanted to get our longest drive out of the way on the first day. Torrey is real close to Capitol Reef, and I STRONGLY recommend the Torrey Schoolhouse BnB. It was fabulous, and only 10 minutes from Capitol Reef NP.
-- Capital Reef NP was plenty nice, we recommend 1 full day there.
-- When departing the Capital Reef area, take Route 12. It's a bit longer by half an hour to get near Bryce Canyon NP, but well worth it. The views are amazing and the Aspens are beautiful too. You'll be driving mostly throught Dixie National Forest. Watch out for the free-range cows!!
-- We recommend, if you have the time, 2 days at Bryce and 2 at Zion. Both are must sees if you're in the area.
-- Bryce is a drive-your-own-car or use-a-shuttle park. We recommend using both. Parking at Sunset Point fills quickly and is the largest lot aside from a huge satellite area at the visitors center. To get to the southern end of the park you must drive as the shuttle does not go past Inspiration Point.
-- At Bryce, if you are mobile, be sure to hike Queen's Garden and the Navajo Trails. The Navajo has a portion called Wall Street that is an unbelievable hike. Both are listed as "moderate", but we found Wall Street challenging.
-- Zion was unbelievable, though 3 shuttle stops were closed. One permanently so due to a rock slide. There's still unstable rock overhead. E-J's parking advice is crucial. It makes for a far easier day if you can get to the Visitor's Center early and park there vs going into Springdale. Plus it's free. I'd get there before 8am.
-- Do "The Narrows" at the end of Riverside Walk. First, get water shoes and a pole at an outfitter in Springdale (several rent them) the day before. "The Narrows" are among the 10 consensus must-do's among all the National Parks. Mrs Roar surprised me and took the dip!
-- We recommend the Whiptail Grill in Springdale. Excellent Mexican food, so good we ate there twice.
-- If you are staying south, take at least one trek out the East Entrance, turn around then go back to the park. The beauty of the Zio-Mt. Carmel Highway (Rte. 9) is amazing and the 1-mile tunnel is interesting. See E-J's comments about RV's, trucks, etc. as it's a narrow tunnel.
-- There is a buffalo farm if you depart the East Entrance and head east, then take 89 North. Guessing it's 15-20 miles from the park.
Roar, that is the plan, national parks in southern Utah. There is so much to see, looks like you cannot do it in a week. Then you have Grand Canyon and Monument Valley too.
Any info appreciated.
Any good bar/restaurant recommendations for Mesa area? I apologize if this was covered earlier or if Mesa is obscenely close to one the areas previously discussed. Geography, my Achilles heel. 😏
This is great. Thanks a lot.Mesa is an eastern suburb of PHX, 3+ hrs south of Flagstaff, 5 hrs from the Grand Canyon.
Make it a point to go to Organ Stop Pizza. Live performances on a full pipe organ. The pizza was decent, nothing special, but the environment is unique and well worth going.
Mesa is fine and has a lot of other places, but most visitors would prefer Old Town Scottsdale.
Decided to post anyway, since others may be interested.
-- Flew into Las Vegas, easiest place to rent a car. Could have done Salt Lake City, but we did not want to do Canyonlands or Arches on this trip.
-- We drove 5 hrs on day 1, to Torrey, UT. Wanted to get our longest drive out of the way on the first day. Torrey is real close to Capitol Reef, and I STRONGLY recommend the Torrey Schoolhouse BnB. It was fabulous, and only 10 minutes from Capitol Reef NP.
-- Capital Reef NP was plenty nice, we recommend 1 full day there.
-- When departing the Capital Reef area, take Route 12. It's a bit longer by half an hour to get near Bryce Canyon NP, but well worth it. The views are amazing and the Aspens are beautiful too. You'll be driving mostly through Dixie National Forest. Watch out for the free-range cows!! Rte. 12 is called "Scenic Byway" and "All-American Highway".
-- We recommend, if you have the time, 2 days at Bryce and 2 at Zion. Both are must sees if you're in the area. We stayed in Hatch (just south of Panguitch), so we could keep a home base for 4 nights and not repack. I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND THIS. We were half an hour from Bryce and an hour from Zion. If doing it again, we'd stay closer to each park.
-- Bryce is a drive-your-own-car or use-a-shuttle park. We recommend using both. Parking at Sunset Point fills quickly and is the largest lot aside from a huge satellite area at the visitors center. To get to the southern end of the park you must drive as the shuttle does not go past Inspiration Point.
-- At Bryce, if you are mobile, be sure to hike Queen's Garden and the Navajo Trails. The Navajo has a portion called Wall Street that is an unbelievable hike. Both are listed as "moderate", but we found Wall Street challenging.
-- Zion was unbelievable, though 3 shuttle stops were closed. One permanently so due to a rock slide. There's still unstable rock overhead. E-J's parking advice is crucial. It makes for a far easier day if you can get to the Visitor's Center early and park there vs going into Springdale. Plus it's free. I'd get there before 8am.
-- Zion is shuttle-only heading north until November I believe, unless you stay at the Zion Lodge. We tried, but it was booked solid. Shuttles run every ten minutes, but the lines can get long, especially at the Visitor's Center and the last stop (Temple of Sinewava).
-- Do "The Narrows" at the end of Riverside Walk. First, get water shoes and a pole at an outfitter in Springdale (several rent them) the day before. "The Narrows" are among the 10 consensus must-do's among all the National Parks. Mrs Roar surprised me and took the dip!
-- We recommend the Whiptail Grill in Springdale. Excellent Mexican food, so good we ate there twice.
-- If you are staying south, take at least one trek out the East Entrance, turn around then go back to the park. The beauty of the Zio-Mt. Carmel Highway (Rte. 9) is amazing and the 1-mile tunnel is interesting. See E-J's comments about RV's, trucks, etc. as it's a narrow tunnel.
-- There is a buffalo farm if you depart the East Entrance and head east, then take 89 North. Guessing it's 15-20 miles from the park.
-- For us, this was a 7-day trip. One travel day to Las Vegas and ultimately to Torrey, UT, 1 day at Capital Reef, 2 days as Bryce, 2 days at Zion, and 1 travel day back to PA. We hiked A LOT, so didn't want to add Canyonlands and Arches (we thought it would be too much at our age). We're glad we did. Soon (maybe this year) we'll head to SLC and take in those 2 parks.
I admire you guys that take these long driving vacations. My wife and I would kill each other. Driving is the only time we bicker. We are way too similar. Both control freaks.
My wife of 18yrs and 26 years together total and I cant drive to kids games/practices without her;I admire you guys that take these long driving vacations. My wife and I would kill each other. Driving is the only time we bicker. We are way too similar. Both control freaks.
If you could post some of your planning notes for Southern Utah, NM etc much appreciated. I am interesting visiting Utah in 2023.
We do books on tape for that reason.I admire you guys that take these long driving vacations. My wife and I would kill each other. Driving is the only time we bicker. We are way too similar. Both control freaks.
Thank you, very detailed and much appreciated.Northern NM: This was a 12d trip, with some vacation piled onto a business trip. Basic itinerary was: 1.5d in ABQ; 3 nights vacation in Santa Fe including a day trip around the region; 1 week of work in Santa Fe; then 1d into the desert west of ABQ before flying home. My wife joined me for the first few days, and flew home when my work started.
Northern NM has a wide variety of sights, outdoor activities, art, and especially food. Did I mention great food? The food is awesome.
I have not been south of ABQ. Southern NM is best entered from El Paso airport.
ABQ:
- Definitely see for 2d since already there, but it’s not a destination unto itself, needs to be part of a bigger trip. The city is just kinda there, unremarkable. The mountains are great but you can get that elsewhere.
- Petroglyph Natl Monument is worth 1-2 hrs. Recommended but be alert when walking on the rocks in rattlesnake country.
- Old Town/Plaza Vieja is good to walk around and get some lunch. Go into San Felipe de Neri Church. The Albuquerque Museum is supposedly good, but we skipped for time. The Rattlesnake Museum is supposedly good if that’s your thing.
- Don’t bother with downtown unless you want to say you were there. Skip UNM, it’s just another city campus and Central Ave takes forever, go out of the way to take I-40 instead.
- Nuclear Science Museum is in the east side of town – do this.
- Sandia Peak Tramway – another must. Peak is 10k ft (5k higher than town). Great views at the top, can walk around some. Overpriced restaurant but we ate there anyway because there’s not much at the bottom. It was OK.
West of ABQ: El Malpais and Bandera Volcano are similar sites near each other, about 1:15 from ABQ. Bandera is hiking up an inactive, cratered volcano (plus an on-site ice cave). El Malpais is more the badlands resulting from volcanic activity. These were both very good; if time crunched, choose Bandera. Can do both as a day trip from ABQ or even from Santa Fe. If time allows, also see the nearby ruins at El Morro Natl Monument.
Santa Fe:
- Great town to visit. A lot to see and do, and most of it is in the very compact, walkable, historic downtown area. Food destination.
- THE time to go is early Sept for Fiesta de Santa Fe, and especially the Burning of Zozobra. It’s a 50-ft marionette that represents evil spirits. Awesome ceremony, and also fun watching the crowd during the ceremony – they really get into it. This is a must. Good parade a few days earlier too.
- Things to see downtown: Santa Fe Plaza (the main square), Palace of the Governors, Basilica of St Francis, San Miguel Chapel, NM History Museum, NM Museum of Art, Georgia O’Keeffe Museum, Santa Fe Farmers Market, Cross of the Martyrs. Away from downtown: Santa Fe Botanical Garden (plus the adjacent museums).
- State Capitol is very optional unless you’re really into that – it’s not grand like other states, more like The Forum re-decorated to look like a TV courtroom. Some really good art on the grounds and in the hallways, but no shortage of art in Santa Fe.
- Food: many high-end chefs move there. Plan to eat downtown a lot, eat well, and possibly spend a lot of money. (It is possible to eat less fancy, reasonably priced food downtown; also eating cheap is easy elsewhere in NM.) Stick to Southwestern/New Mexican. The most famous place is Coyote Café, and it is very good. Otherwise, wander around and eat what strikes you, it’ll be good.
- Hotels: Downtown is prohibitively expensive. I’d stay within a reasonable walk or Uber ride. We stayed at the Residence Inn, 2 mi each way but safe and not a difficult walk (at least before margaritas). That’s the furthest out I’d stay. The airport has cheaper hotels and food, but don’t do that. You go to Santa Fe to be downtown, so be downtown.
Day trip from Santa Fe to Rio Grande Gorge Bridge – 2 hrs + stops each way:
- Santuario de Chimayo – possibly the most important pilgrimage site in the US. People will bring containers to take home the holy dirt from the floor. Need about an hour to visit.
- Taos Pueblo – historic adobe complex still used as a tribal residence. Guided tours are about 30 min. Check ahead – this may be closed to visitors due to the virus. If you go, be aware of your surroundings, not everybody will be happy to see you there (it’s safe, but there may be some tension).
- Taos itself is a lot like Santa Fe, nice if you have time but a little redundant if you don’t. If the Pueblo is closed, then stroll around the town instead. Good place to stop for lunch.
- Rio Grande Gorge Bridge – great views. Park on one side, walk across. The bridge does sway a little, so some people may have to hold their breath while walking. Only 15 min from Taos, well worth the detour. Return drive to Santa Fe along the Rio Grande is very pretty, though it's more like the Rio Pequeno there.
With more time, wish we had done:
- Los Alamos – Manhattan Project National Historic Park, Bradbury Science Museum
- Bandelier Natl Monument – cliffside ruins, canyons, etc.
- Chaco Culture Natl Park – large ruins complex (though probably similar to others in the Southwest like El Morro, or the ruins near Flagstaff).
New Mexico food: Green chile stew (typically pork) and green chile cheeseburgers. Enchiladas with red or green chile sauce (both = “Christmas”). Carne adovada. Blue corn. Posole. Sopaipillas are like beignets but served with honey instead of powdered sugar; sometimes stuffed with meat as a meal. Mexican chocolate. There are a lot of fat New Mexicans, and you'll quickly understand why.
You definitely need to go to Snooze AM for breakfast. It’s in Gilbert AZ, 10-15 minutes south of Mesa. There is also one in nearby Tempe. One of the best breakfast restaurants I have ever been to. https://www.snoozeeatery.com/Any good bar/restaurant recommendations for Mesa area? I apologize if this was covered earlier or if Mesa is obscenely close to one the areas previously discussed. Geography, my Achilles heel. 😏