Outside The Lines: "Could Michigan State have stopped Larry Nassar?" [JEMELE UPDATE]
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Jacob Denhollander is my kind of guy. He’s got the persistence of a Bull Terrier and the vengefulness of a Mob Boss. They messed with the wrong guy’s wife (and the wrong girl) as they are scorching their targets.
Just trying to look into the future of the 2023 Rose Bowl game. Herbstreit and Fowler are announcing the game with BIG representative Michigan State ready to kickoff. Herby and Fowler get into a conversation about the embarassment and sanctions MSU endured over the Larry Nassar sex abuse scandal. MSU viewers cringe saying to themselves, do they have to bring this up at every football and basketball game, it has been 5 years, just let it go?
Anyone think this scenario is possible? Not a freaking chance the way the MSM has skirted around the magnitude of this scandal compared to PSU! We will always be the poster child for NCAA sex abuse scandals, thanks to our BOT, one term Tommy, NCAA, TSM, ESPN and our own BIG brethren!
Just my 2 cents:
NCAA/B1G need to steer clear of sanctions in the MSU case. This is a criminal deal, not a cheating deal, so not their bailiwick.
But, because of this case's tie to the school, they should issue a strong statement encouraging action over inaction (or cover-up, as it appears to be here), and they should impose a fine of at least $60 million on MSU, payable in the same manner our fine was. They should make a strong statement about the need for education for non-trained people (99+% of us) regarding Pillar of the Community predator recognition and reporting, and suggest a significant portion of the fine go to that education.
Whatever happens to Simon and others is up to the MSU BOT and possibly the Governor.
My money is on the NCAA/B1G whiffing on this in a big way, either by ongoing silence or by a weak statement and minimal or no monetary fine for MSU.
NCAA/B1G need to steer clear of sanctions in the MSU case. This is a criminal deal, not a cheating deal, so not their bailiwick.
But, because of this case's tie to the school, they should issue a strong statement encouraging action over inaction (or cover-up, as it appears to be here), and they should impose a fine of at least $60 million on MSU, payable in the same manner our fine was. They should make a strong statement about the need for education for non-trained people (99+% of us) regarding Pillar of the Community predator recognition and reporting, and suggest a significant portion of the fine go to that education.
Whatever happens to Simon and others is up to the MSU BOT and possibly the Governor.
My money is on the NCAA/B1G whiffing on this in a big way, either by ongoing silence or by a weak statement and minimal or no monetary fine for MSU.
They should also steal their bowl money from this year's bowl.
And some think Wetzel is a good reporter. From the article linked in Chi's post:
"As a comparison, in the sexual molestation scandal involving former Penn State assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky, the attorney general for Pennsylvania investigated the school from the outset. That led to three administrators, president Graham Spanier, vice president Gary Schultz and athletic director Tim Curley, all being criminally charged at the same time as Sandusky."
Schultz, Curley, and JS were charged in Nov, 2011. (The grand jury report leaked on Nov. 4, and the OAG had their press conference on Nov. 7. I don't remember the exact day they were officially charged.) Nearly a year later, on Nov. 1, 2012, the charges against Schultz and Curley were modified, and charges were first brought against Spanier. So Spanier was never "criminally charged at the same time as Sandusky," but hey, a respected reporter wrote that, so it must be correct.
Is he holding the camera or is he enabling the "tool"?
So there are four different versions on YouTube of Aly Raisman's speech at the trial and every one blanks out when she says "Michigan State team doctor. What is the issue? This one is at the 1:46 mark ...
Was wondering if anyone else would notice. How convenient.
I am physically ill just reading these various tweets from today
how could anyone not become ill from hearing the statements, reading the tweets, etc.?
It’s pretty horrific. Had just a small portion of these girls, their mothers, or their coaches - the red flags - the concept of grooming.
Ugh.
I blame Louis Freeh as well. So many were glued to either the TV or their mobile devices watching that press conference.
I vividly recall feeling like a cannonball went through my chest when he went on about the “janitor incident”.
Could you imagine the impact he could have had on everyone instead, if he had just explained the dynamics of these Nice Guy Offenders and offered up real-life situations of how they hide in plain sight like Larry Nassar?
This is beyond depressing.
That’s a criminal action by Freeh in my mind. Choosing instead to be the new bitch for the NCAA.
Wait, wait, wait ... "It's clearly very, very disturbing, and I know the leadership there is equally shaken by it."
Are you f@cking kidding me?!?! At PSU, the "leadership" (JVP, GS, GS, TC) were all pedophile enablers despite JVP reporting to his superiors and the admin reporting JS to CYS and TSM. But MSU leadership is SHAKEN?!?! Despite the fact 14 MSU admin had reports of Nassar and did NOTHING!? What kind of effed up universe is Emmert living in??
I'd like to set the criminal liar mark emmert's hair helmet on fire and record his screams so I can play them while I relax on Sunday mornings.
He's lucky we live in a civilized society.
He's lucky we live in a civilized society.
Emmert's weasel-like behavior about MSU makes me wonder if the NCAA Exec Committee warned him not to f' up again like he did with Penn State.
Oh good God. Read this statement by Tom Izzo
WHAT
THE
HELL
Dr. Simon and the rest of you assholes promised to "learn" from that "pretty pervasive" situation at Penn State. Remember that whole "reorient our institutions" bullishit you suits parroted in press releases?
You didn't. You all ran with a bullshit "football cover up" by a geriatric football coach who clearly ran the entire state of Pennsylvania and didn't "do more".
Because "bad publicity" or something.
Meanwhile - there's a smoking crater of ruin 100's of miles wide across Michigan.
WHAT
THE
HELL
Dr. Simon and the rest of you assholes promised to "learn" from that "pretty pervasive" situation at Penn State. Remember that whole "reorient our institutions" bullishit you suits parroted in press releases?
You didn't. You all ran with a bullshit "football cover up" by a geriatric football coach who clearly ran the entire state of Pennsylvania and didn't "do more".
Because "bad publicity" or something.
Meanwhile - there's a smoking crater of ruin 100's of miles wide across Michigan.
Damn! That is some freaky sh*t how the "Michigan State" is edited out of her speech.
Penn State was the officially sanctioned patsy. 7 years later, we're getting HBO movies about it. We had a wall to wall media blitz.
Nassar and MSU will be disappeared.
Nassar and MSU will be disappeared.
Once again, it isn't about the victims. It is about the organization, and more than that, who was involved. michigan state is no Penn State, and kathy klages obviously is no Joe Paterno. The media didn't find a hook with the nassar story, so they have paid little attention. They don't care that there was a real cover-up at michigan state. They don't care about nassar's victims.
It's not an msu scandal? Really? It obviously is not getting the attention that sandusky did, again due to the Joe factor, but the media has put michigan state in the crosshairs. It's not all about michigan state, but many victims certainly believe it to be a michigan state scandal.
Well when your POS gymnastics coach is buddy’s w Larry and in 1997, had 2 reports of abuse by 2 different athletes w the same story, ahhh. She basically told them Larry was an all world doc and they misunderstood the treatment. So how in the eff is that not an MSU problem? Tell me cause that was 20 yrs ago
It clearly is a michigan state culture problem. Again, it's not all about michigan state, but they certainly bear a lot of the blame.
MICHIGAN. STATE. COVER. UP.
Poor Kathie Klages just can't seem to remember HEARING DIRECTLY FROM THE VICTIM IN 1997.
Difference between Joe Paterno and Kathy Klages: Joe reported in 2001, was forthright in 2011 investigation and helped put Jerry in prison. Klages told the victims to STFU and denies ever hearing anything from this victim in 1997.
Difference between Joe Paterno and Kathy Klages: Joe reported in 2001, was forthright in 2011 investigation and helped put Jerry in prison. Klages told the victims to STFU and denies ever hearing anything from this victim in 1997.
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I'm sure this is how many of us look to outsiders. Only difference is we are actually right.
Click on the thread (click on time and date of tweet) for full, spirited conversation.
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A few issues I have -
- when you see a guy about a hamstring injury, and he proceeds to digitally penetrate you - I should think that would be a red flag.
- How many males would accept this if they had a hamstring injury? Why would it be okay for a female? Our hamstrings are different?
- Same if I saw this guy with a shoulder injury. Anatomically speaking, what practical application would this “method” have in treating a shoulder injury? That’s a red flag.
- When you see an adult male for treatment, and he proceeds to become sexually aroused during that treatment, that’s not an issue? That’s a red flag.
Never forget.
Of course, their brand wasn’t that good to start with. It’s just michigan state.
Michigan State needs to wear this shame
The university’s response from the time concerns were first raised about Larry Nassar until now has been consistently unacceptable
January 21, 2018
When I first started covering Michigan State football and basketball for the Detroit Free Pressin the late 1990s, one of the ways I got to know people on my beat was by attending the football coach’s radio show, which was broadcast live every week at a local bar.
It was work, but it didn’t feel that way because I found a group of people to hang out with during and after the show. As a young beat writer, being there helped me build trust and a relationship with my sources, even though many of them remembered when I was a student reporter covering the athletic department for my college paper, The State News.
One of the people I got to know during those weekly outings was Kathie Klages, who at the time was MSU’s longtime gymnastics coach.
During the six years I covered MSU, Kathie and I hung out socially on many occasions. I always found her to be warm, caring and fun. Her enthusiasm was infectious, and within five minutes of meeting her, you could see why she had such a long and successful coaching career.
Today, Kathie finds her name mentioned among the many people who were reportedly told years ago that Larry Nassar, the team doctor for both MSU and USA Gymnastics, was sexually abusing young gymnasts.
If you’re expecting this to be a column where I vouch for Kathie, or double down on my deep affection for Michigan State, play the what-about game or wax poetic about feeling embarrassed and disappointed as an alum because MSU is being rightly excoriated by local and national media, then you’d better stop reading this right now.
Michigan State needs to wear this shame. The university deserves this humiliation, derision, doubt, discomfort and every unkind word. We need to listen to every word from the victims and absorb all of their anger. They’ve dealt with this betrayal and violation of their trust for years. Michigan State only has to survive a few news cycles.
That’s the absolute minimum owed to the over 150 women who have accused Nassar of sexual abuse, and a paltry price to pay considering Michigan State was an enabler and incubator of a pedophile for 20 years.
Michigan State is getting off light compared to the outrage directed at Baylor and Penn State during and in the aftermath of their sexual abuse scandals.
The multitude of young women victimized by Nassar are left with a lifetime of unimaginable personal trauma. Having a monster violate them was bad enough, but because this is gymnastics and not big-time college football, and young women versus young boys, the public outrage hasn’t matched the magnitude of the atrocities committed.
The university’s response from the time concerns were first raised about Nassar until now has been consistently unacceptable, especially in light of a Detroit News investigation that found that over the course of Nassar’s 20 years at Michigan State, reports of sexual misconduct by Nassar reached at least 14 school representatives, with no fewer than eight women making allegations against Nassar.
When Michigan State president Lou Anna Simon was told in 2014 that a Title IX complaint was filed against an unnamed physician, who was Nassar, Simon did her job. Which was exactly the problem.
Simon did the bare minimum. She never followed up. She never asked any questions. She didn’t press for any details. She was ethically compliant, at least based off what we know now, but willingly ignorant. She is getting a pass for that, and she shouldn’t.
Not to mention, many of the athletic trainers and other key administrators named in the Detroit News investigative report are still drawing a paycheck from Michigan State.
That Nassar will die in prison is little comfort because the systems that allowed a monster like him to survive and thrive for so many years remains very much alive.
Until we accept the fact that predators go to school, church and work with us, coach our kids and date our daughters, the voices of abused girls and women will never regularly inspire courageous action on their behalf.
When protecting institutions, friendships, business partnerships and image become more important than protecting vulnerable people, you get what you deserve.
Only in this case, I can’t say that’s true.
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