simon said the focus should not be on her or on michigan state. Nice try. Too late.
Outside The Lines: "Could Michigan State have stopped Larry Nassar?" [JEMELE UPDATE]
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simon said the focus should not be on her or on michigan state. Nice try. Too late.
I stopped reading that article after the part about the MSU spokesperson who stated that they shouldn't compare this to Penn State because Penn State's leaders discussed and willingly ignored the allegations against Sandusky.....holy ****....
Simon says she knew about a Title IX INVESTIGATION, but did not know the name of the doctor. @getmyjive11, call your handlers. Even this laughable bullshit won't save you.
Several people at MSU were told about the allegations. Some were low-level or short-term employees, but some were "higher ups" - like coaches, doctors, etc.
The first person at MSU to know of any accusations was MSU gymnastics coach Kathie Klages in 1997. Lisa Boyce told an asst gymnastics coach (she cannot remember exactly who) about being sexually assaulted during an exam by Nassar. That coach told Boyce that she needed to tell gymnastics head coach Kathie Klages. Klages then bought a group of gymnasts in her office and asked them if Nassar did the same to them. One of them (anonymous) told Klages that Nassar did do the same to her. Klages talked the girls out of filing a complaint, telling them there would be "serious consequences" for both parties.
The next athlete to report to an MSU employee was Christie Achenbach in 1999. She told her assistant track coach Kelli Bert (Bert worked at MSU for one year). Bert stated that she does not remember Achenbach complaining about Nassar.
Next victim was softball player Tiffany Thomas-Lopez who, in 2000, told team trainer Lianna Hadden (who is currently an MSU trainer for the volleyball team). "Hadden gasped when told of the assault" and told Thomas-Lopez she had to tell Destiny Teachnor-Hauk - Haddens superior. Teachnor-Hauk told Thomas-Lopez that persuing something would "cast a shadow over her family" and "cause a lot of trauma" for Nassar and MSU, then asked "Why would you want to do that?".
Next victim was Jennifer Rood Bedford, who in 2002 told Hadden that Nassar "made her uncomfortable". Rood-Bedford, at the time, could not say with cartainty that Nassar did anything unprofessional or criminal.
In the mid-2000's, Kyle Stephens told MSU clinical psychologist Dr. Gary Stollak about Nassar exposing himself to her, touching himself, massaging her feet against his groin and inserting fingers inside of her. Dr Stollak suggesting a meeting with him, Nassar, and Stephens' parents. During the meeting, Nassar denied doing those things, and the parents believed him. Stollak retired in 2010, had a stroke in 2016, and testified that he can't remember any of those encounters. By law, Stollak is required to report suspicions of child abuse to Childrens Protective Services including admins at MSU, teachers, psychologists, and law enforcement.
In 2004, Brianne Randall-Gay (soccer and tennis player) went to local police in Meridian Twp and reported abuse. They took her to Sparrow Hospital for a rape kit exam. A few weeks later, police asked her parents to meet with Nassar. Both the police and her parents believed Nassar when he explained that since Randall-Gay was "not a gymnast, she was not as comfortable with her body and that it was a misunderstanding". The police and her parents just took his word. Meridian Twp police did not forward their report to anyone at MSU.
in 2014, Amanda Thomashow was the first victim whose report reached the desk of Lou Anna Simon. Thomashow told Dr Jeff Kovan of the MSU Sports Medicine Clinic about possible sexual misconduct involving Nassar. He reported the incident to the office that investigates sexual misconduct complaints under Tilte IX laws. She also reported it to MSU police. The report that Simon received included interviews with Thomashows mother, three of her friends, plus Nassar and three medical manipulation specialists - Dr Brooke Lemen, Dr Lisa DeStefano, and Dr Jennifer Gilmore, as well as Destiny Teachnor-Hauk. All of the doctors and trainers told investigators that Nassars "treatment" was "medically appropriate". The Title IX complaint concluded that Nassars conduct was NOT of a sexual nature and cleared him. Lou Anna Simon states that she never got a full copy of the report, just that Nassar was being investigated, and that he was cleared. Nassars boss, Dr William Strampel, dean of the college of Osteopathic Medicine, was told of the compalint and told Nassar to have another person in the room from now on when treating patients. Strampel recently stepped down from his position and is on medical leave. A year after the complaint, MSU police forwarded to report to Ingham County Prosecutor Stuart Dunnings III, and they declined to press charges.
In 2016, victim Rachel Denhollander files a police report, makes a Title IX complaint, and details to the Indiannapolis Star, how in 2000, Nassar sexually assaulted her. This gets Nassar fired and charged with criminal sexual conduct.
The first person at MSU to know of any accusations was MSU gymnastics coach Kathie Klages in 1997. Lisa Boyce told an asst gymnastics coach (she cannot remember exactly who) about being sexually assaulted during an exam by Nassar. That coach told Boyce that she needed to tell gymnastics head coach Kathie Klages. Klages then bought a group of gymnasts in her office and asked them if Nassar did the same to them. One of them (anonymous) told Klages that Nassar did do the same to her. Klages talked the girls out of filing a complaint, telling them there would be "serious consequences" for both parties.
The next athlete to report to an MSU employee was Christie Achenbach in 1999. She told her assistant track coach Kelli Bert (Bert worked at MSU for one year). Bert stated that she does not remember Achenbach complaining about Nassar.
Next victim was softball player Tiffany Thomas-Lopez who, in 2000, told team trainer Lianna Hadden (who is currently an MSU trainer for the volleyball team). "Hadden gasped when told of the assault" and told Thomas-Lopez she had to tell Destiny Teachnor-Hauk - Haddens superior. Teachnor-Hauk told Thomas-Lopez that persuing something would "cast a shadow over her family" and "cause a lot of trauma" for Nassar and MSU, then asked "Why would you want to do that?".
Next victim was Jennifer Rood Bedford, who in 2002 told Hadden that Nassar "made her uncomfortable". Rood-Bedford, at the time, could not say with cartainty that Nassar did anything unprofessional or criminal.
In the mid-2000's, Kyle Stephens told MSU clinical psychologist Dr. Gary Stollak about Nassar exposing himself to her, touching himself, massaging her feet against his groin and inserting fingers inside of her. Dr Stollak suggesting a meeting with him, Nassar, and Stephens' parents. During the meeting, Nassar denied doing those things, and the parents believed him. Stollak retired in 2010, had a stroke in 2016, and testified that he can't remember any of those encounters. By law, Stollak is required to report suspicions of child abuse to Childrens Protective Services including admins at MSU, teachers, psychologists, and law enforcement.
In 2004, Brianne Randall-Gay (soccer and tennis player) went to local police in Meridian Twp and reported abuse. They took her to Sparrow Hospital for a rape kit exam. A few weeks later, police asked her parents to meet with Nassar. Both the police and her parents believed Nassar when he explained that since Randall-Gay was "not a gymnast, she was not as comfortable with her body and that it was a misunderstanding". The police and her parents just took his word. Meridian Twp police did not forward their report to anyone at MSU.
in 2014, Amanda Thomashow was the first victim whose report reached the desk of Lou Anna Simon. Thomashow told Dr Jeff Kovan of the MSU Sports Medicine Clinic about possible sexual misconduct involving Nassar. He reported the incident to the office that investigates sexual misconduct complaints under Tilte IX laws. She also reported it to MSU police. The report that Simon received included interviews with Thomashows mother, three of her friends, plus Nassar and three medical manipulation specialists - Dr Brooke Lemen, Dr Lisa DeStefano, and Dr Jennifer Gilmore, as well as Destiny Teachnor-Hauk. All of the doctors and trainers told investigators that Nassars "treatment" was "medically appropriate". The Title IX complaint concluded that Nassars conduct was NOT of a sexual nature and cleared him. Lou Anna Simon states that she never got a full copy of the report, just that Nassar was being investigated, and that he was cleared. Nassars boss, Dr William Strampel, dean of the college of Osteopathic Medicine, was told of the compalint and told Nassar to have another person in the room from now on when treating patients. Strampel recently stepped down from his position and is on medical leave. A year after the complaint, MSU police forwarded to report to Ingham County Prosecutor Stuart Dunnings III, and they declined to press charges.
In 2016, victim Rachel Denhollander files a police report, makes a Title IX complaint, and details to the Indiannapolis Star, how in 2000, Nassar sexually assaulted her. This gets Nassar fired and charged with criminal sexual conduct.
I guess they will be having meetings about possibly throwing Michigan State out of the Big Ten, right?
Those people over there are a special brand of idiots - they are condemning people making fun of the WSU QB who committed suicide yet lack the self awareness to not realize they are even worse human beings ever time they use the actions of a pedophile to make fun of a rival (in their minds only) school - the hypocrisy is mind numbing.
I don't often wish ill upon other people....but in this case, I am compelled to make an exception.
Wow, sure seems like a lot of MSU teachers and administrators knew what was going on and heard it from the actual people that were assaulted.
It also seems they willfully ignored it and then and still are trying to cover it up. SMH
And where no victim was ever discouraged from filing a claim or complaint, unlike at MSU. I can't take the hypocrisy any longer. I swear to God, MSU's defense is just going to devolve into some sort of "well, at least we aren't penn state" excuse. And it is not even a good excuse considering Sandusky was not a school employee at the time and exactly 0 people have expressed that they were told to keep silent or discouraged from making a claim. UGH
That's their go-to tactic. When the going gets tough they'll say something like, 'Oh yeah? Well, it was worse at Penn State!!" Of course we know the two situations are entirely different but the MSU folks need something to hide behind.
The non-comparison is spot on, but not for the misguided reasoning this guy says it is. We all know that.
And as pissed off as I am over the MSU situation right now, and the glaring hypocrisy that comes from their Admin and coaches and spokespeople and certain alums in the media and the local authorities who were told about the abuse by these victims, there is still some concern that the bigger public service message about how to recognize and better understand and report and investigate these cases will get buried.
Simon et. al. deserve to be brought down, as it has become apparent that they ignored what they were told and actively advised against reporting it (i.e. they covered up). And many reports were after the PSU nonsense that they were very vocal about. Didn't some of those folks, back in 2012, have a sense of 'I wonder if the Nassar thing is sort of like the Sandusky thing? Maybe I should make a call.'
But Pillar of the Community (POC) offenders are the toughest to get our heads around. Sandusky certainly fell into that category, and so did Nassar. If the general public is not educated on how to get past the instinctive inclination to doubt these claims, there is only so much blame to be given to those who are told of 'something' of any wide range of degrees, but don't really understand what they are dealing with. (That is what I have always thought and maintained with C/S/S/P's mindsets).
Wensilver nails it time and again, when comparing what MSU knew and when, to the anti-JVP sentiment about a geriatric football coach reporting, via established procedures, what he was told right after he was told about it.
A whole mess of people - including the mess that is the OGBOT - owe a whole mess of apologies to the Paterno family, and to C/S/S as well.
I want to live to see the day when TSM and CYS and Corbett are given what should have come down on them years ago. I wonder if I will?
Ohhhh I know, I know.......not a big of name to grandstand on and ruin.
The B1G as well. Where's Delany??
You really think that is true? Because you nail it. Sorry to say America loves the stereotypes. It hates gay males. Hence the Sandusky outrage. It doesn't care as much about male to young female. Viewed more of a sickness. Even lower female abusing young males.
Also race makes a difference. If this guy was black Michigan State would be nailed to to the cross. Just like Baylor was. At Baylor female students said they were raped. At Michigan State female student athletes reported they were assaulted. Only difference is old white male to young black men.
But the media protects everyone equally! My ass
"A lot of people worry and wonder about whether or not what the NCAA did is a precedent," Delany said. "I don't really care if it's a precedent. I don't really care about whether or not they had jurisdiction or whether or not there was an underlying NCAA violation."
"You can debate them all you want, but in my view [the NCAA] had moral authority and responsibility to act as did the Big Ten," Delany continued.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...had-moral-authority-and-responsibility-to-act
"A lot of people worry and wonder about whether or not what the NCAA did is a precedent," Delany said. "I don't really care if it's a precedent. I don't really care about whether or not they had jurisdiction or whether or not there was an underlying NCAA violation."
"You can debate them all you want, but in my view [the NCAA] had moral authority and responsibility to act as did the Big Ten," Delany continued.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...had-moral-authority-and-responsibility-to-act
Can someone forward this to Delaney ?
"The Big Ten Presidents and Chancellors express their sincere concern for any harm done to innocent young victims and their families. Protection of our children is one of society’s most central responsibilities and institutions of higher education should be particularly vigilant. We are committed to examining our own institutions to assure that effective measures are taken to assure the safety of children on our campuses.
It has been approximately one month since the initial release of the Grand Jury report in the Penn State matter and a number of federal, state and institutional investigations have been launched. While it is premature to reach any conclusions regarding civil or criminal liability arising out of these events, there does appear to be sufficient information to raise significant concerns as to whether a concentration of power in a single individual or program may have threatened or eroded institutional control of intercollegiate athletics at Penn State..."
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/12...igate-penn-state-in-wake-of-sandusky-scandal/
It has been approximately one month since the initial release of the Grand Jury report in the Penn State matter and a number of federal, state and institutional investigations have been launched. While it is premature to reach any conclusions regarding civil or criminal liability arising out of these events, there does appear to be sufficient information to raise significant concerns as to whether a concentration of power in a single individual or program may have threatened or eroded institutional control of intercollegiate athletics at Penn State..."
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/12...igate-penn-state-in-wake-of-sandusky-scandal/
"We are committed to examining our own institutions to assure that effective measures are taken to assure the safety of children on our campuses."
It's enough to make a person bang their head against a wall. At Penn State the football program was penalized even though Sandusky's crime DID NOT involve football or student-athlete safety in anyway whatsoever. And to those who say, "Yeah, Paterno!!", he followed all established procedures and what is now the NCAA policy.
"A lot of people worry and wonder about whether or not what the NCAA did is a precedent," Delany said. "I don't really care if it's a precedent. I don't really care about whether or not they had jurisdiction or whether or not there was an underlying NCAA violation."
"You can debate them all you want, but in my view [the NCAA] had moral authority and responsibility to act as did the Big Ten," Delany continued.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...had-moral-authority-and-responsibility-to-act
At Michigan State, the women's gymnastics coach and many others were notified of sexual assaults against current female student-athletes. There responses were to tell the accusers they were wrong and not report it further. Any guesses what the NCAA or Delany will do to the MSU athletics program?? My guess?? Nada......
Pretty pervasive. michigan state's culture put everything above the welfare of these girls.
It is clear that those in the crosshairs at michigan state are going to dig in their heels. They will try to convince everyone they did nothing wrong and that their situation is very different than Penn State. They don't want to be associated with the sandusky false narrative that their own president helped fuel.
With every hurt woman that speaks out in michigan this week, I hope people are able to see through the lies of michigan state administrators who knew, including lou anna simon.
"And that’s another problem. NCAA rules. Technically there is no NCAA rule saying you can’t sexually assault a child. It’s a horrible crime, but it has little to do with sports so why would it be in the rule book?
But while Sandusky’s alleged crimes and Penn State’s cover-up don’t necessarily break NCAA rules, they certainly break a whole mess of moral codes. And one could argue that they violate the core values of both the NCAA and the Big Ten....
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But in the Big Ten’s case, we’re not talking about eliminating a football program, we’re talking about kicking an institution out of the conference. And, given the timeline outlined in the grand jury report, this is a punishment that would fit the crime.
Keep in mind, Penn State joined the conference in 1990 and started playing football in the Big Ten in 1993. Sandusky had been a coach at Penn State since 1969 and according to the grand jury report, his oldest known victim was sought out in 1994. That means that nearly the entire time Penn State has been a member of the Big Ten, the program has had a sexual predator on its coaching staff or had school and team officials with knowledge of the child abuse covering it up.
In other words, since joining the Big Ten, Penn State has done nothing but tarnish the conference’s reputation and represent everything the conference otherwise is not.
That is something Jim Delany simply can’t ignore"
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/11/08/hoge-if-true-big-ten-should-kick-penn-state-out/
But while Sandusky’s alleged crimes and Penn State’s cover-up don’t necessarily break NCAA rules, they certainly break a whole mess of moral codes. And one could argue that they violate the core values of both the NCAA and the Big Ten....
...
But in the Big Ten’s case, we’re not talking about eliminating a football program, we’re talking about kicking an institution out of the conference. And, given the timeline outlined in the grand jury report, this is a punishment that would fit the crime.
Keep in mind, Penn State joined the conference in 1990 and started playing football in the Big Ten in 1993. Sandusky had been a coach at Penn State since 1969 and according to the grand jury report, his oldest known victim was sought out in 1994. That means that nearly the entire time Penn State has been a member of the Big Ten, the program has had a sexual predator on its coaching staff or had school and team officials with knowledge of the child abuse covering it up.
In other words, since joining the Big Ten, Penn State has done nothing but tarnish the conference’s reputation and represent everything the conference otherwise is not.
That is something Jim Delany simply can’t ignore"
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/11/08/hoge-if-true-big-ten-should-kick-penn-state-out/
dan bernstein must be going out of his mind with the michigan state scandal.
My guess is their Lawyers are making a point to mention MSU as well as US Gymnastics...follow the money...
It's a senseless tragedy...and someone will pay $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Blood is boiling after this morning’s Detroit News piece by Kim Kozlowski.
But I’m just gonna park this updated piece here. The Hypocrisy is stunning.
I don’t know why it’s up to these young women to get answers and demand education on the matter - that should always have been in the wheelhouse of the likes of Dr. Simon and the leadership in the highest echelons of collegiate sports - Mark Emmert & Jim Delany.
But I’m just gonna park this updated piece here. The Hypocrisy is stunning.
I don’t know why it’s up to these young women to get answers and demand education on the matter - that should always have been in the wheelhouse of the likes of Dr. Simon and the leadership in the highest echelons of collegiate sports - Mark Emmert & Jim Delany.
Wendy, I have always been a fan of yours and your ability to cut thru the B.S. I am not a Facebook user but you may have converted me. This is simply the best article outlining the continued hypocrisy of the Sandusky scandal I have read. You called out all the appropriate lower life forms. We are not worthy of your dedication to correcting this miscarriage of justice but I am extremely grateful. THANK YOU. Give them hell . Best Regards
From the article...
Simon said in a previous statement to trustees that there may have been nothing the school could’ve done.
“I have been told it is virtually impossible to stop a determined sexual predator and pedophile, that they will go to incomprehensible lengths to keep what they do in the shadows,” she said.
In 2012, Simon, who was the NCAA Executive Committee Chair at the time, said, “People make mistakes, and some of those are purposeful and premeditated, and if you just take the Penn State experience, pretty pervasive.”
Manly called Simon’s actions the “height of hypocrisy.”
You’ve been told, Dr. Simon?? By whom? Might this “telling” of which you speak stemmed from something like...oh, I don’t know....the Paterno/Clemente report???? I hear there’s a lot of legitimate information in there about Nice Guy/Community Pillar predators. Too bad it came from those habitually pervasive Penn Staters.
need a response from the big ten and NCAA on this? WHERE IS THE MORAL OUTRAGE
Very interesting to see Jay Bilas jumping into this. He has always seemed very pragmatic and unbiased to me. I wouldn't be surprised to see things pick up a bit at the mothership with him on board. either that, or he'll be in the next group of ESPN firings...
This is the absolute all time best....
Larry Nassar complains it’s too hard to listen to victim stories
In a six-page single-spaced letter, Nassar complained it was too hard for him to listen to dozens of accusers describe how he abused them under the guise of medical treatments and how it wrecked their lives. He said the judge had turned the proceeding into a "media circus" and put herself in the spotlight.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...s-it-s-too-hard-listen-victim-stories-n838731
Larry Nassar complains it’s too hard to listen to victim stories
In a six-page single-spaced letter, Nassar complained it was too hard for him to listen to dozens of accusers describe how he abused them under the guise of medical treatments and how it wrecked their lives. He said the judge had turned the proceeding into a "media circus" and put herself in the spotlight.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...s-it-s-too-hard-listen-victim-stories-n838731
So I guess we know what his 1st layer of hell is going to be.
if he thinks thats bad wait until he's around level 5, I hear it gets really intense.
