Peach Bowl

[KnightWhoSaysNit]

LC, I agree with many of your posts, but absolutely NOT this one. UM and OSU are the (sports) ENEMY! No PSU supporter should ever hope for their success. I don’t want to leave the Big Ten - I want to dominate it. In order for that to happen, UM and OSU must be brought down! There are 2 ways that could happen: 1. We get better than both - not happening under this Head Coach, he’s had his chances, and has blown them. No, I’m not advocating firing/replacing - merely stating the fact that PSU will never be a dominant team under his leadership. 2. UM and OSU get worse - not likely, but a better chance than 1.

I‘ll take either choice or preferably both. Conference pride is bovine scatorum - I want UM and OSU to lose often, and in everything. A new king cannot ascend to the throne until the old is/are dethroned.

I agree, and wish PSU could be the one to do the dethroning.

I think what we've seen is what it will be. We'll get some truly great players, especially at the positions where we have delivered NFL stars. But we won't get enough to field a two-deep full of stars a la OSU. Add the mediocre game preparation, especially when given extra time to prepare, and the mediocre game management, and it is what it is. We are a second tier program.

A lot of people are happy with this plateau as seen by a willingness to shell out huge sums for the status quo. Oh well. It's just sport/entertainment.

Hoping to see something different tomorrow, but even then one data point will not constitute a series.

 

[87 Penn St8]

I guess honest discussion is not appreciated by some here. Whatever. I don't do the OSU boards because they are pay to play.

I share much of the sentiment re The Big 2...however I also appreciate the passion and stage that playing them every year puts us on.

It is up to us to determine exactly who we view "the enemy" to be. My freshman year was 1983. We played Iowa that September at Beaver Stadium. Our standard tailgate was a Jeep CJ 7 with a flag pole made of lacrosse sticks. We NEVER had food...just 2 kegs.

This leisure van with a big Hawkeye pulls up next to us and an endless stream of Iowans came out. We were looking at them funny as they were looking at us. Eventually we struck a cord and had a blast on a beautiful fall day.

PSU lost a heartbreaker that day but I learned a lesson: If you are the sort of person who would drive halfway across the country to drink beer in a field and watch college football, then odds are we can be friends.

What happens on the field is out of our control. The internet is less personable and there are trolls...but Nbergbuck is not one of them.

Great games yesterday...wish we had been playing instead of "them"

 

[LandoComando]

LC, I agree with many of your posts, but absolutely NOT this one. UM and OSU are the (sports) ENEMY! No PSU supporter should ever hope for their success. I don’t want to leave the Big Ten - I want to dominate it. In order for that to happen, UM and OSU must be brought down! There are 2 ways that could happen: 1. We get better than both - not happening under this Head Coach, he’s had his chances, and has blown them. No, I’m not advocating firing/replacing - merely stating the fact that PSU will never be a dominant team under his leadership. 2. UM and OSU get worse - not likely, but a better chance than 1.

I‘ll take either choice or preferably both. Conference pride is bovine scatorum - I want UM and OSU to lose often, and in everything. A new king cannot ascend to the throne until the old is/are dethroned.

Fair enough. Where we disagree is i only want option 1 because the goal is to compete for national titles not win a watered-down Big Ten

 

[LandoComando]

If we were in a level playing field, I would want PSU to get better and play up to Michigan and OSU level. But when every on and off the field call goes their way, it just can't happen. The conference won't allow it.

Which is fan fiction on your part. You know this right? That's not reality

 

[PAgeologist]

Which is fan fiction on your part. You know this right? That's not reality

What f*ing delusional world do you live in. There are so many documented times they got bailed out by blatant no calls, bad calls, etc. The bounce pass, mysterious times replay didn't work, magical time being added, plays allowed to happen after play clock expired, etc. They're all out there on tape.

I used to laugh at everyone calling you a Pitt, OSU, or Mich fan. But now I agree with them. Or you're just a PSU fan with your head completely buried in the sand.

 

[LandoComando]

What f*ing delusional world do you live in. There are so many documented times they got bailed out by blatant no calls, bad calls, etc. The bounce pass, mysterious times replay didn't work, magical time being added, plays allowed to happen after play clock expired, etc. They're all out there on tape.

I used to laugh at everyone calling you a Pitt, OSU, or Mich fan. But now I agree with them. Or you're just a PSU fan with your head completely buried in the sand.

Calls are missed all the time. The ones that go for teams you dislike are your focus. This is also pretending a call has never gone Penn State's way

 

[Jerry]

Ohio State played a great game and lost a heartbreaker.

But you have to understand something: Penn State has been screwed over by this conference so many times since we joined that a lot of us hate both the league and its two Sacred Cows.

If we'd gotten an even break over the years, I would have been rooting for Ohio State yesterday...and maybe Michigan too. As it is, however, I root against them at all times and in all places. And if they can lose the way they did, all the better. Two of them take the L on the same day for the same high stakes...great way to start the New Year.

No offense to you personally, as you seem to be an intelligent poster, but that's just the way it is. If the shoe were on the other foot, I suspect you might feel the same way.

P.S. to the above: I do feel bad for the Buckeye kicker who missed the long FG at the end. Pure agony for the kid. I think you can question the play-calling after Stroud's scramble took them down to the Georgia 30 with, like, 28 seconds on the clock and 2 (if I recall correctly) timeouts.

Being aggressive there risks a turnover or a sack, and you certainly don't want to blow your chance at the game-winning FG...but I think you've got to be looking to get at least 10 more yards in that situation. Because unless you've got Justin Tucker on the sidelines, a 50-yard kick is far from a sure thing. In fact, it's pretty much low-percentage.

Then again, these things always look clearer after the fact...

 

[bono47]

If people stop pretending they do when responding to me we wouldn't have an issue
And it's not negative. Why is pretending bowls have meaning a good thing?

Been holding off on your newest hill to die on, but here goes:

Non-playoff bowls certainly matter for 2 reasons related to the upcoming year:

1. Conference perception; and
2. Individual team perception/hype.

Both factor into pre-season rankings, which serve as a form of biased based outcomes.

If PSU destroys Utah with Allar getting snaps and the freshmen RBs going off, PSU heads into next season Top 10.

It matters b/c the higher you start, the easier it is to stay high. This is how teams like Ohio State get the benefit of the doubt with a loss or 2 later in the season. Compare them to say, a Pitt team who is unranked and only has 1 or 2 losses in October. They are usually still unranked or in 20s.

So IMHO, bowl results do matter. Every January you see the conference bowl standings, the SEC slobbering, Clemson positioning in weak ass ACC, etc.

 

[bono47]

Fair enough. Where we disagree is i only want option 1 because the goal is to compete for national titles not win a watered-down Big Ten

Conference strength does not matter, see Oklahoma, USC and Clemson.

This idea that PSU fans should support their competition and hope they succeed is ridiculous.

If you follow European football, no one roots for their rivals for the sake of the Champions League coefficient. They want their rivals to head into administration and for their team to be the only big dog. Anything else is rooting for your team to take a hit in perception, on field success and financially. It is insanity to want OSU and Michigan to be good.

 

[johnmpsu]

What conference is better? The Big Ten had 3 good teams

None. They're all pretty much the same.

 

[LandoComando]

Been holding off on your newest hill to die on, but here goes:

Non-playoff bowls certainly matter for 2 reasons related to the upcoming year:

1. Conference perception; and
2. Individual team perception/hype.

Both factor into pre-season rankings, which serve as a form of biased based outcomes.

If PSU destroys Utah with Allar getting snaps and the freshmen RBs going off, PSU heads into next season Top 10.

It matters b/c the higher you start, the easier it is to stay high. This is how teams like Ohio State get the benefit of the doubt with a loss or 2 later in the season. Compare them to say, a Pitt team who is unranked and only has 1 or 2 losses in October. They are usually still unranked or in 20s.

So IMHO, bowl results do matter. Every January you see the conference bowl standings, the SEC slobbering, Clemson positioning in weak ass ACC, etc.

Allar getting reps?
The bowls used to carry over to next year--that's no longer the case IMO because voters comprehend opting out and the transfer portal.
We see that because the media tries to get people interested and (other than most here) people take pride in the success of their conference.
Let's be real--the portal will determine the preseason top 10 next year.

 

[LandoComando]

Conference strength does not matter, see Oklahoma, USC and Clemson.

I was unaware any made the playoff this year

 

[bono47]

Allar getting reps?
The bowls used to carry over to next year--that's no longer the case IMO because voters comprehend opting out and the transfer portal.
We see that because the media tries to get people interested and (other than most here) people take pride in the success of their conference.
Let's be real--the portal will determine the preseason top 10 next year.

Pitt played in Ny6 last year, lost their 2 best players, yet the hype and ranking coming into this season shows why non playoff bowls matters.

If PSU handles Utah and Allar balls out at some point, it matters for PSU as a program, as they head into next year on the front foot.

 

[bono47]

I was unaware any made the playoff this year

Usc was in with a win regardless of Pac 12 perception. In prior years, the Acc and Big 12 in no way impared Clemson or Ok having a path.

 

[LandoComando]

Pitt played in Ny6 last year, lost their 2 best players, yet the hype and ranking coming into this season shows why non playoff bowls matters.

If PSU handles Utah and Allar balls out at some point, it matters for PSU as a program, as they head into next year on the front foot.

Because they added Slovis--the portal matters way more than the bowl games
Penn State vs Utah has zero impact on how we're looked at next year. Absolutely none.

 

[LandoComando]

Usc was in with a win regardless of Pac 12 perception. In prior years, the Acc and Big 12 in no way impared Clemson or Ok having a path.

Did USC make the playoff?
Clemson won the ACC and they were left out, right?

 

[doctornick]

P.S. to the above: I do feel bad for the Buckeye kicker who missed the long FG at the end. Pure agony for the kid. I think you can question the play-calling after Stroud's scramble took them down to the Georgia 30 with, like, 28 seconds on the clock and 2 (if I recall correctly) timeouts.

Being aggressive there risks a turnover or a sack, and you certainly don't want to blow your chance at the game-winning FG...but I think you've got to be looking to get at least 10 more yards in that situation. Because unless you've got Justin Tucker on the sidelines, a 50-yard kick is far from a sure thing. In fact, it's pretty much low-percentage.

Then again, these things always look clearer after the fact...

They did run it on first down to presumably get somewhat closer but actually lost a yard.

 

[fastlax16]

I guess honest discussion is not appreciated by some here. Whatever. I don't do the OSU boards because they are pay to play.

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