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Penn State News: “Gift will create Tarriff Center for Business Ethics and Social Responsibility”

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A center to teach the difference between right and wrong? Mkay.

I get the sentiment and objective (assuming that there is an objective), but what are we talking about? Maybe one course in a school/department? One class in certain courses? Then again, five mil don't buy much in higher ed these days, so maybe universities have to create institutes and "centers" to attract donors.
 
Pharmaceuticals serve an important purpose. There is nothing inherently unethical in their manufacture and sale.
true- but an ethical industry would have no need to buy so many politicians
 
True, but for a lot of the pharmaceutical sales, the pricing of them is unethical and illegal if the government had the guts to enforce the law.

Wasn't aware that there are laws in the US that set drug pricing? Could you find an example?

As far as pricing ethics go, particularly on human necessities, that would probably take up a lot of the time in a course on business ethics because there is no answer that would be universally agreed on. Beyond that?
 
VIOXX. :eek:k they

You remember ken frazier (and people who look like him). :eek:

Fine. Let's just cease production of all drugs.

Certainly there are cases, too many< of illegal and immoral behavior on the part companies, but I don't think they go far enough to warrant blanket condemnation.
 
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I asked for a law enforceable by the Federal government that established price levels. Try again.
As usual, you think that you define the conversation. Narcissists do that a lot.
 
True, but for a lot of the pharmaceutical sales, the pricing of them is unethical and illegal if the government had the guts to enforce the law.
1. I could be wrong about this, but I believe that Eagle is mostly a "new formulations" company, ie, they take existing specialty molecules and make them easier to use, etc. With that usually comes a higher price.
2. The G regulates price in a lot of ways, and benefits from both those regulations and voluntary competitive discounts that manufacturers frequently offer. In fact, the G probably benefits more than you do under a private insurance plan if that's what you have. But "the pricing" of drugs is generally not illegal. You may not benefit from it at the counter (though you might in your premiums), and you may not like the ethics of it, and the ethics of it may or may not actually be sound depending on development costs and the actual efficacy of the drug, but high prices are not illegal.
 
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As usual, you think that you define the conversation. Narcissists do that a lot.

No, I simply asked a question to which you attempted to directly respond and failed. Had you posted your link as a standalone I would have said nothing. So, in your mind I'm a narcissist, which I am not, and you can go fvck yourself.
 
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No, I simply asked a question to which you attempted to directly respond and failed. Had you posted your link as a standalone I would have said nothing. So, in your mind I'm a narcissist, which I am not, and you can go fvck yourself.
you are such an arrogant asshole- but that's not news
 
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Pricing practices can get scrutiny through various anti-trust laws such as Robinson-Patman, Sherman, and Clayton. Having patent protection is not an excuse to price gouge. Any large corporation runs the risk of an inquiry when price gouging or the opposite, dumping at prices below fully apportioned cost, are occurring.
Now that we are in a global economic model, pricing of drugs in Europe should reflect reasonably with prices in the U.S. after currency adjustments. But they don't, the Europeans pay much less for the same drug sold in the U.S. That is just one example.
The solution is to have a world-wide base price for the drug that returns a reasonable profit to the drug owner in the country of ownership. An EU country can either import at a wholesale level of trade, and then mark up reasonably for their citizens, or be forced to go off-shore and buy at the retail level of trade and then that country's government can eat the delta in price that it chooses to sell to its citizens.
That would level the global pricing practices such that the "similarly situated" concept is applied and there is a fair pricing practice globally.
There is absolutely no reason for a U.S. consumer to pay more for drugs designed and manufactured in the U.S. v. the rest of the world. It is not our responsibility to subsidize the drug benefit of other citizens at our expense.
 
Fine. Let's just cease production of all drugs.

Certainly there are cases, too many< of illegal and immoral behavior on the part companies, but I don't think they go far enough to warrant blanket condemnation.

Here I thought blanket condemnation was expected and even encouraged. :eek:

;)
 
Pricing practices can get scrutiny through various anti-trust laws such as Robinson-Patman, Sherman, and Clayton. Having patent protection is not an excuse to price gouge. Any large corporation runs the risk of an inquiry when price gouging or the opposite, dumping at prices below fully apportioned cost, are occurring.
Now that we are in a global economic model, pricing of drugs in Europe should reflect reasonably with prices in the U.S. after currency adjustments. But they don't, the Europeans pay much less for the same drug sold in the U.S. That is just one example.
The solution is to have a world-wide base price for the drug that returns a reasonable profit to the drug owner in the country of ownership. An EU country can either import at a wholesale level of trade, and then mark up reasonably for their citizens, or be forced to go off-shore and buy at the retail level of trade and then that country's government can eat the delta in price that it chooses to sell to its citizens.
That would level the global pricing practices such that the "similarly situated" concept is applied and there is a fair pricing practice globally.
There is absolutely no reason for a U.S. consumer to pay more for drugs designed and manufactured in the U.S. v. the rest of the world. It is not our responsibility to subsidize the drug benefit of other citizens at our expense.
Actually, the antitrust laws have almost nothing to do with price gouging. A legal (patent) monopolist can price like a monopolist. 'Price gouging' generally requires a shortage under federal and state laws, and in fact, a Maryland state law that tried to regulate it without one was struck down as unconstitutional.

As to international price differentials, sure, we shouldn't be subsidizing developed economies (though ethically, I don't have as much problem subsidizing developing/undeveloped economies for a variety of public health reasons). But they are single payer systems, and negotiate like monopsonists. With the effect that drugs don't get covered, and don't get introduced first, there. That's a reasonable trade-off question to ask, but you really can't have both.
 
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A center to teach the difference between right and wrong? Mkay.

I get the sentiment and objective (assuming that there is an objective), but what are we talking about? Maybe one course in a school/department? One class in certain courses? Then again, five mil don't buy much in higher ed these days, so maybe universities have to create institutes and "centers" to attract donors.

My multinational multibillion dollar company provides a simple online course that you electronically sign at the end. With very succinct verbiage and a minimal time allotment you learn and acknowledge that you are responsible for following all the rules in any country you operate in, and that you are criminally liable if you do not. Should you ever have any questions, no matter how minor, you are strongly advised to consult corporate counsel for guidance. They don't even charge us for the course.
 
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My multinational multibillion dollar company provides a simple online course that you electronically sign at the end. With very succinct verbiage and a minimal time allotment you learn and acknowledge that you are responsible for following all the rules in any country you operate in, and that you are criminally liable if you do not. Should you ever have any questions, no matter how minor, you are strongly advised to consult corporate counsel for guidance. They don't even charge us for the course.
...and you have all the answers from that online training? I doubt you've scratched the surface of the questions.

The more business ethics leadership in the business schools, the better. The best training is the training that simulates hard decisions in case studies. Biz schools actually do that pretty well.
 
I think this is wonderful!

The first class should be comprised of all current members of the PSU board of trustees and any former members who have served during the past 25 years. In addition, every person who is currently serving in an administrative capacity in any of the bloated ranks say 1 through 7 of all the administrators of the University. Any of these people who fail to earn a grade of 100% should be demoted or fired immediately.

Anyone who wants to serve in any of the positions above should be required to also have passed all the classes with a 100% grade as a condition precedent to their being hired, promoted, or appointed.

Continuing education should be required each year.

The primary case study should be all the administrative decisions made at PSU for the past 20 years.
 
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My multinational multibillion dollar company provides a simple online course that you electronically sign at the end. With very succinct verbiage and a minimal time allotment you learn and acknowledge that you are responsible for following all the rules in any country you operate in, and that you are criminally liable if you do not. Should you ever have any questions, no matter how minor, you are strongly advised to consult corporate counsel for guidance. They don't even charge us for the course.

Sounds good to me. Laws change and vary by country, so having support is vital.

Ethics are another matter. Just because a company can, by law, charge a zillion dollars for a dose of a drug doesn't mean that it should. Going beyond financial considerations is a subject that can be discussed until the cows finally decide to stay in the living room. Just ain't gonna come up with definitive answers in the classroom, though it should provide varying perspectives. How much discussion is enough? In academia, there is never enough.
 
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...and you have all the answers from that online training? I doubt you've scratched the surface of the questions.

The more business ethics leadership in the business schools, the better. The best training is the training that simulates hard decisions in case studies. Biz schools actually do that pretty well.

I'm not trying to be snarky here, but business has and will always be primarily driven by what they are allowed to do (after profit of course). Ethics? Its pretty simple, if you're allowed to do it, someone will eventually do it. This notion that ethics matters is foolhardy. Profits matter. Not going to jail matters. Ethics for a company falls under its desire to build up goodwill, which has it's own economic benefit and is already taught in other courses.
 
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It sounds good to you that you sign a certification that you are criminally liable?

I'm criminally liable for any law that I break. There is nothing that a company can do to insulate an employee from that (D & O insurance is civil). Signing a certificate to that effect is an in-your-face reminder, doesn't increase or decrease the liability.
 
It sounds good to you that you sign a certification that you are criminally liable?

Not being aware doesn't work as a defense in court related matters. To pretend that a corporate lawyer won't defend the company over an employee is naive. I've watched them do it first hand, and I sat in a meeting where the hr manager made it abundantly clear who the attorney represented, and that if anyone else found themselves caught up in legal matters that they should get their own counsel. So, would you like to know what you are responsible for or not?
 
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I'm not trying to be snarky here, but business has and will always be primarily driven by what they are allowed to do (after profit of course). Ethics? Its pretty simple, if you're allowed to do it, someone will eventually do it. This notion that ethics matters is foolhardy. Profits matter. Not going to jail matters. Ethics for a company falls under its desire to build up goodwill, which has it's own economic benefit and is already taught in other courses.
Undoubtedly businesses are profit driven. But I believe I saw recently that a majority of execs no longer accept that the sole driver of their management relationship is shareholder value. So something that is probably a good thing is happening at the biz schools. Indeed, if you don't have something offsetting the usual business school mantra of turning everything into a simple math problem, you will produce more Martin Shkrelis. Indeed, Shkreli didn't go to b-school, let alone college. And of course, Heather Bresch and B-school is it's own story.
 
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