LOL...I don't think the staff eats too many donuts, TBH. Pretty trim as a group.
Football Penn State WR coach Taylor Stubblefield no longer with the program...
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Gonna clarify on this because I see it coming up. Nothing happened recently that led to a sudden termination. My understanding is this move was made with the idea that PSU had a clear upgrade in mind. The move is similar to when PSU allowed Matt Limegrover to walk after a solid 2019 season to bring in Phil Trautwein who they believed was a clear upgrade.
And to me that has been very questionable as to whether it was an upgrade up until this season. Actually the second half of the season, really.
That’s fair. I’m just saying that’s the motivation behind the move.
I think it’s also probably reasonable to completely wipe out whatever Trautwein did in 2020 considering he didn’t have any hands on work with a new unit running a new scheme.
Good point on this may not be the last coaching move. Any great D line coaches available?
Do they have to be available? Or do we just have to pursue and offer the right compensation?
I imagine that virtually any coach employed or not is available for the right compensation and what he perceives as a better opportunity.
Great idea, finally a coach who can make an offer a recruit can’t refuse.
Kirk Ciarrocca didn't get a pass, so why does Trautwein? Even so, our running game was pitiful in 2021. It improved in 2022, but we also got 2 top 10 TBs in the class. It's possibly a good thing for Franklin that Tanner Morgan was injured. The move to Yurcich can't be questioned all that much since we won. Hopefully the new WR hire is a good one and the improvements we've seen at OL continue and Allar is all that and we see that Yurcich's offensive genius has maybe mainly been held back by poor position coaching.
Personally I believe Ciarrocca got a bit of a raw deal. But he also probably keeps his job if Yurcich doesn’t come available. Ultimately coordinators are held to a higher standard than position coaches and that’s just part of the gig.
But I also think it’s too simplistic of a view to go “position group struggles therefore coach did a bad job.”
While I get that ultimately it’s his job to figure it out, there a number of factors beyond his control that hurt Trautwein early on.
Depends on his relationship with his father in law. I was fine after my mother in law passed away.😀
How many coaches looked like world beaters in that crummy conference only to move on and prove they weren’t? Rich Rodriguez, Frank Beamer, Greg Schiano, Bobby Petrino….apparently it’s easy to be a great coach in a garbage conference (unless you’re a coach in the ACC).
Carter is about #43 rated WR in the portal. We can stop sobbing about "losing" him.
I hope PSU continues to stumble along at 11-2.....keeps me happy and you have something to bitch about.
I was surprised to hear this news.
I thought the receivers played above average under Stubb's leadership.
I think his downfall was that he couldn't get into bed with any top 4 star or 5 star wr recruits and lost Haynes & Thornton under his watch.
Let hope for a home run hire....Like a former Belitnikoff winner.
I thought the receivers played above average under Stubb's leadership.
I think his downfall was that he couldn't get into bed with any top 4 star or 5 star wr recruits and lost Haynes & Thornton under his watch.
Let hope for a home run hire....Like a former Belitnikoff winner.
The audacity of Franklin to act like he's the head coach. He should know better than make staff decisions without consulting the experts at NNNNNCAC.
Sorry but I highly doubt they are going to bring in a 60 year old guy who hasn’t coached in almost 20 years. In what world would that be a good choice?
I am happy we finally got back to where we were in 2019 and we have some good pieces coming back. But it's tempered by the fact that we're continually losing to Ohio State and getting totally beaten down by Michigan almost every time we go to Ann Arbor. And being perceived by everyone as the 3rd best team in our division. If you are completely happy with that, I'm happy for you. But CJF told us we're going to go from very good to elite, and we're still waiting over 4 years later, while Michigan has gone to 2 CFP games, has its coach coming back and looks to be as good or better next year. We were arguably ahead of them at the time he made that speech.
Have fun waiting. I'm gonna enjoy a top 10 finish and 11 wins. PSU isn't as good as OSU or U of M, and everything historically backs that up. It's possible there will be a magical season once every 15-20 years. Why does it bother you that PSU Football is "perceived" by everyone as anything?
Is it your identity? Your Career? Coaches say a lot of things. People in general have conversations every day.....do you doubt he wants to win every game? He's a diligent worker. He's under contract for 9 more years and PSU owes him 63 million if he's fired.
PSU is a top 8-15 program .At least 115 other fan bases would love to be where PSU football is right now.
I think this is judicious and fair to point this out, we haven't elevated to where CJF said we would. That said, I think this firing shows CJFs commitment to getting there. For the first time since maybe '17, I think Franklin knows he's got some real pieces coming together for a special few years. I think he is actively trying to upgrade every spot on this team, coaching included. This move represents an acknowledgement that we aren't elite and he isn't satisfied. Clearly he thinks there is hire to be made that improves this team...so he is doing it. I think CJF showed a lot of growth this year as a coach.
Tell Georgia to stop winning and go back to where they belong.
And let’s not forget our new AD Kraft appears to be pulling in some additional Donor money which is absolutely critical in this College Football Chess game.. actually his hire could be one of the most important for the athletic department in a long long time.. I know we need to wait and see but..
What are you talking about? We have as many national titles as Ohio State and more than UM since I started following Penn State football in 1977. We should have had at least a third. We beat Bama and Georgia and USC and Nebraska and Miami when the Big Ten teams could only dream of it. I am mostly happy with the job CJF is doing, but I don't like the fact his contract effectively gives him little accountability for results and an easy exit if he desires while he is able to fire assistants at will. Perception plays a big role in recruiting. I want us to win Natty's again, not just be happy we lost only 2 games. It's hard when we are viewed as an afterthought in our own division. I hope CJF can flip the script, but thus far since 2016, a period he can fairly be judged on, CJF has a losing record in the games that matter in this conference. I will view any moves he makes with a jaundiced eye until I see they are leading to a championship. Maybe he is doing as well as anyone could do at Penn State today, but part of the fun of college football is seeing your team shut up the doubters with on-the-field results. I grew up a fan of PSU football during a successful period, so I don't accept a ceiling on our success. If I wanted to be happy with 8 win seasons and an occasional 11 win season I'd root for a team like Iowa. Heck, even Michigan until the last 2 years. We're Penn State. We should aim higher than just hoping to win meaningful games.
I'll check back with you when PSU wins back to back natties. I should live so long.
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I want to be 6'2" but that won't happen.....and I'm done crying about it. CJF 9 more years!
I'll enjoy every game and I attended my first in 1966. Love PSU football, but if fandom becomes painful, uncomfortable or inspires negativity, perhaps one should look for other forms of entertainment.
Since 1950, we are 607-232-7. UM is 579-241-13. Ohio State is 643-177-15.
From 1950-1992, we were 351-115-7, Ohio State was 327-11-14, and Michigan was 321-126-13. The decline was not simply a matter of playing in a conference vs being independent. There were a lot of other factors I don't want to get into here. There's no reason we can't be that competitive again in my view.
This might be the most unintelligent statement I have ever read on this board....and that says something considering I wander over to the Test board. First off, you need to read the etymology of the word "fan" in this context. The essence of being a fan includes discomfort, pain, and negativity for which you support. Is the intended idea of your argument that anything that includes the above should not be considered a form of entertainment? Ask golfers if they feel uncomfortable or negative on the course.....would you suggest they find different forms of entertainment? Anything in life that matters includes these ideals. As our own coach says.....the great thing about the school is how invested everyone is and he mentions often why it hurts so much when the team loses. It's one of his core principles, to INVEST. The players give so much to the sport, the fans do too.....maybe the 107K paying to be at beaver stadium in the cold should find "other forms of entertainment." If that happened.....I promise, you would not get your 9 more years of CJF.
Article says he wasn’t a great recruiter. True??
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Prugar: Coaching Change Abrupt But Necessary
It was abrupt when Taylor Stubblefield announced his departure from Penn State Sunday night. Then James Franklin came out with this
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This looks like, more and more, that there was a sudden event that caused this to tip over last weekend. Maybe something with Jr. Day or some kind of insubordination. CJF ended the season saying he was hoping for no or minimal staff changes. Between then and last weekend, something changed. And since there isn't any really high end name jumping off the board, it looks like it wasn't pre-planned.Article says he wasn’t a great recruiter. True??
Prugar: Coaching Change Abrupt But Necessary
It was abrupt when Taylor Stubblefield announced his departure from Penn State Sunday night. Then James Franklin came out with this
The same can be said for PSU. The majority of the departures have been for a promotion in job title.
Yeah that is tough from a timing perspective. I'm confident Franklin wouldn't pile on unless he had to. This looks like a similar case like with Kirk Ciarrocca and Mike Yurcich last year, and there are no guarantees how long a coach that Franklin wants might be on the market and available. Franklin's hands with the timing are probably tied. He's such a big family guy I really would think he'd have handled it differently timing wise if at all possible. And as they say, there's really no good time to get fired either.
