Ooh...burn!typical nitter
Question for you. Are you one of the 5 ppl at Heinz on Saturdays, or do you just stay at home in your mom's basement and troll your big bro's message board?
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Ooh...burn!typical nitter
I also looked at it as a cheap play, not a great play. I mentioned to some friends who were also watching the game "if he runs again he's going to get clobbered".I certainly hope you don't represent the rest of Penn St's fans. Hoping a guy gets hurt by the opposing team for making a great play
was great play since it worked nothing cheap about it now show me some rules that say diff??like I said he was up they should have hit him!I also looked at it as a cheap play, not a great play. I mentioned to some friends who were also watching the game "if he runs again he's going to get clobbered".
Well, and the "down" rule is different in both sports. In the NFL, I think, you can get up if you are not touched by a defender.They are. Any player with the ball can initiate a slide and give themself up but it’s generally only QBs. Rarely you see it by WRs and RBs late in a game to preserve clock rather than continue a play.
Really it’s not even needed in college. A player can just kneel to end a play. In the NFL a slide makes more sense as it is a more clear indication of giving yourself up.
True...in the NFL, a knee down is not down unless the player is covered (touched while down). However, if the player "gives himself up" the play is blown dead and stopped. So if a QB slides, he's down as he's given himself up. The difference between the slide and putting a knee down is that it takes longer to put a knee down (you have to stop then kneel) and can get blown up by the D in the process. The issue of sliding is that the player is immediately down when they've committed to the slide.Well, and the "down" rule is different in both sports. In the NFL, I think, you can get up if you are not touched by a defender.
When a player gives themselves up in either they do not have to be touched. In fact in both leagues the ball is placed where they start their slide, not where they finish.Well, and the "down" rule is different in both sports. In the NFL, I think, you can get up if you are not touched by a defender.
I believe that was Brian Griese.I remember Tom Brady of Michigan slowing down to run out of bounds against PSU, then suddenly turning upfield at the last second after Lions' defender pulled up so he wouldn't hit Brady out of bounds. He got several extra yards out of it.
Correct. The play is supposed to end at initiation of the slide. You can sometimes see an NFL QB not touched after a slide, tho unusual because they slid to avoid an actual tackle in the first place.When a player gives themselves up in either they do not have to be touched. In fact in both leagues the ball is placed where they start their slide, not where they finish.
It was a smart play for now.....for now. I assume there will be a rule change on it after the season because as you saw all 3 WF defenders literally stopped because he was "giving himself up".
It could be a penalty….or just blow the play dead for initiating a hook slide. Play over.If Clifford had done that to beat Michigan Or OSU or Michigan St would we not have celebrated it? Credit the kid for taking advantage but yeah it should be a penalty now that a precedent was set.
No. Who celebrates something like that.If Clifford had done that to beat Michigan Or OSU or Michigan St would we not have celebrated it? Credit the kid for taking advantage but yeah it should be a penalty now that a precedent was set.
The officials blew it. There should have been an immediate whistle and penalty in CFB.If Clifford had done that to beat Michigan Or OSU or Michigan St would we not have celebrated it? Credit the kid for taking advantage but yeah it should be a penalty now that a precedent was set.
Totally agree. clearly unsportsmanlike conduct. He deserves to get his head taken off next time he starts into a (potential) slide.Yes. Don't need to rewrite the playbook.
Throw an unsportsmanlike flag. That is exactly what it is.
Similar to the infamous kickoff Wisky play. That flag is specifically for plays likw this.
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Good. It is the only way to keep it fair without getting rid of the defensive limitations when a QB slides (which they shouldn't do).
The weird thing is, I’ve already heard TV folks mentioning the change. But it isn’t a change. It’s just an enforcement of the rule. The play is over when the QB initiates a slide. That’s been the rule all along. You can’t really fake it at all. The refs just missed calling when they were supposed to in the first place.Good. It is the only way to keep it fair without getting rid of the defensive limitations when a QB slides (which they shouldn't do).
So what do people think about Kenny 6 yds fake slide?
Personally I think it's a genius move within the rules as they are now but it should lead to a rule change and I'm really surprised that they didn't have someone try to take him out the next time they had the ball.
FIFYIf the QB wants to fake the slide, they should be open game for the defense to go after for the rest of their career.
Nardouchey is the kind of scum bag that stands on the sideline afterward smirking.It was a dirty, unsportsmanlike play and should have been blown dead. It caught the officials by surprise and they didn't react properly. I think it likely that Pickett and Narduzzi discussed and planned it.
Maybe it was just "good" coaching.Good for him for finding a loop hole but it will likely be illegal next season. Think of a fake fair catch signal.
Check the post above. NCAA said it was illegalMaybe it was just "good" coaching.
Check the post above. NCAA said it was illegal
No. They didn’t. They said it was supposed to be blown dead, per the existing rule. They did not enact a rule change. The play has always been dead at the initiation of a hook slide. That’s why they are not supposed to be touched.Actually the NCAA had said it is NOW illegal.
Unsportsmanlike, yes. Dirty?? Hardly. No one got hurt or had a chance to get hurt.It was a dirty, unsportsmanlike play and should have been blown dead. It caught the officials by surprise and they didn't react properly. I think it likely that Pickett and Narduzzi discussed and planned it.
I would argue that you are in the minority on that thought, especially given that Pickett essentially admitted what he did.Unsportsmanlike, yes. Dirty?? Hardly. No one got hurt or had a chance to get hurt.
Edit: I just looked at it. It's as much a head fake as a fake slide--and you could read it as an attempt to change direction by lowering the center of gravity. And I don't like Pitt AT ALL.
Feel like we've seen this a fair amount already on plays near the sidelines.. qb looks about ready to step oob and defenders really hold up.. then qb scoots ahead for a few more yards. I've seen back and receivers do the same but defenders aren't as easily fooled by it and more apt to unload... more apt to hold the horses when it's the qb and some take advantage.Yeah, thought it was bush league but within the rules. The real problem becomes how does a defender know when to pull up? Too early and the guy keeps running. Too late and you get called for tackling a helpless player. This could lead to more players getting hurt. Or more getting ejected. Or fights breaking out.
Certainly? It won’t because it didn’t need it. The NCAA just reminded the ref the initiation of the hook slide is where a play is ruled dead….per the regular rule. That means you can’t really fake it, since a fake is still an initiation of it…even if not completed. The refs missed blowing the whistle and stopping the play. They could create a rule to flag them for doing something past a dead play, like running with a fair caught punt.Feel like we've seen this a fair amount already on plays near the sidelines.. qb looks about ready to step oob and defenders really hold up.. then qb scoots ahead for a few more yards. I've seen back and receivers do the same but defenders aren't as easily fooled by it and more apt to unload... more apt to hold the horses when it's the qb and some take advantage.
This run was a glaring example of taking advantage of the rules. I'm pretty sure he didn't just do it 'spur of the moment'... it's something he's planned to do given the right circumstances (and there is the added risk of injury if he deeks and his ankle gives out). It was a game changer of sorts and to someone else's point, i'm surprised someone didn't try to de-cleat him later. It almost certainly will lead to a change in the rules.
He stated that It was spur of the moment. He said he got the first down and started to slide then saw the defender let up. So he didn’t slide and took offFeel like we've seen this a fair amount already on plays near the sidelines.. qb looks about ready to step oob and defenders really hold up.. then qb scoots ahead for a few more yards. I've seen back and receivers do the same but defenders aren't as easily fooled by it and more apt to unload... more apt to hold the horses when it's the qb and some take advantage.
This run was a glaring example of taking advantage of the rules. I'm pretty sure he didn't just do it 'spur of the moment'... it's something he's planned to do given the right circumstances (and there is the added risk of injury if he deeks and his ankle gives out). It was a game changer of sorts and to someone else's point, i'm surprised someone didn't try to de-cleat him later. It almost certainly will lead to a change in the rules.
Thought I just read (after posting) that he admitted to planning to do it (might have that wrong... should have flagged the article). Highly doubtful this wasn't planned to be done at some opportune moment... but that's my opinion.He stated that It was spur of the moment. He said he got the first down and started to slide then saw the defender let up. So he didn’t slide and took off
Very good. No problem. He said it wasn’t planned at the heisman ceremony showThought I just read (after posting) that he admitted to planning to do it (might have that wrong... should have flagged the article). Highly doubtful this wasn't planned to be done at some opportune moment... but that's my opinion.
Does the slide rule only apply to QBs? I thought Technically RBs and WRs could slide too and the defense would be assessed a penalty for hitting them. They just rarely do it.My thoughts on the "slide rule"
At one point it served a purpose. Until not too long ago there were pro style and option style college QBs. Option style QBs rarely slid, just not their style. Pro style QBs didn't want to run and generally didn't unless absolutely necessary. They needed the slide rule.
Most of today's QBs are a combo of option and pro. In my opinion, they shouldn't have the slide rule protection since their running is often at least a decent percentage of their teams yards. This puts the defense at a huge disadvantage. And subject to too many penalties.
well, if so, you'd have to be pretty "calculating" to manipulate the slide rule!Does the slide rule only apply to QBs? I thought Technically RBs and WRs could slide too and the defense would be assessed a penalty for hitting them. They just rarely do it.