Plane with the Banner.
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Ziegler had a section about Heim in his on-line book. Here are a few selected quotes from his book on Heim, p.101-102:
I believe Heim when he says that Raykovitz didn't give him the name (this issue is important, for among other reasons, because Raykovitz has testified that he didn't know who it was...
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I had never heard of Heim (other than Sandusky's brief mention of him) until he contacted me out of the blue after he had heard through the State College grapevine that I had interviewed Sandusky.
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It was also very obvious to me that Heim was personally very odd and remarkably inappropriate.
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Heim said that he no longer worried about having potentially been disloyal to Sandusky because he had spoken to a “very reliable source” a couple of days before who had told him that they had seen a videotape of Jerry Sandusky having sex with a boy.
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I found it utterly hilarious that a man of Heim's stature could either delude himself (which is what I think happened) that it would be possible for such a tape to exist without it ever surfacing all because he wanted to get rid of some lingering guilt, or that he would actually think that I would be so gullible as to believe such a story without any real evidence.
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I never heard from him again.
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Also from Ziegler's book, I asked him how he got past the 5 bullet points he wrote on page 90-91, in order to believe in Sandusky's innocence. Ziegler deflected my question by saying he has spoken about this extensively in interviews. But frankly, I haven't seen any of his arguments that get past it.
These posts always seem to reveal something, like there is more to come just lying right underneath our feet. And it gives me chills.
That's about the thinest piece of "evidence" I ever seen. The "wherewithal and contacts"? How does owning a couple of airplanes have anything to do with the ability to hire someone to fly a banner over Beaver Stadium? I assure you that you don't just go tie one of those things to the back of any old plane and take off. It takes a trained pilot and specialized plane - and those are easily hired. Anyone can Google and get dozens of choices of aerial advertising firms. Both you and I have equal ability to Heim to pull off that stunt.
But probably not the money to blow. The "advertising" was rented out of Ohio. The plane was based here. Where the banner came from is anyone's guess, unless it was sub contracted locally. Heim fits the puzzle.
Heim fits the puzzle? So do TENS OF THOUSANDS of other people. It probably cost less to fly that banner than it would to rent a hotel room in State College for a football weekend.
Once one guy gets nailed publicly, the dominoes will start to fall. Right now it is in all of their best interests to say nothing to anybody about anything. But soon, something will happen, and then they will start to go into self-protect spin mode, and then it will be every man/woman for himself. That should be fun.
Since Truth is often stranger than Fiction, perhaps I should reference a bit of fiction to raise a question. Fiction as in movies such as The Departed.
So if one was involved with a major crime ring/organization, and you had "interests" that needed protected - you'd place people on the inside to make sure those interests were protected. OR you'd simply place yourself in there. So just how many people at TSM, the Penn State BoT, or in the state government are "insiders"? The actions of all three of these agencies/organizations certainly seemed coordinated (not to mention the paid trolls that David La Torre whores out) to make sure the false narrative stays enshrined, and nobody pays attention to the man behind the curtain.
Any guesses who these insiders are?
Yes, and tens of thousands of those people certainly were willing to spend money to help destory the legacy of Joe Paterno. You're confusing MEANS with MOTIVE.
You have to pay to have it made, delivered, as I doubt anyone from PSU would soil themselves and waste time driving to Ohio to pick it up. This was well planned out in advance for maximum effect on the Community and all Penn Staters. Then you have to pay for 2 hours flying time (assuming there's no minimum), the pilot, fuel and insurance. More than a SC FB weekend hotel.
I am coming to the reluctant conclusion that the bastards are winning and will ultimately triumph.
The Pennsylvania political forces and the corrupt judiciary seem to provide the final backstop. Some people in power or of powerful influence have decided this matter was best dumped and left in the lap of Penn State. Sacrificing one of the jewels of the state to keep the lid on can be done only at the direction of elite power-brokers. Kept quiet for four-plus years, there is no reason be believe those secrets will come to light. The courts have and will continue to make sure the dark prevails.
I will be happy to be proven wrong.
The Pennsylvania political forces and the corrupt judiciary seem to provide the final backstop. Some people in power or of powerful influence have decided this matter was best dumped and left in the lap of Penn State. Sacrificing one of the jewels of the state to keep the lid on can be done only at the direction of elite power-brokers. Kept quiet for four-plus years, there is no reason be believe those secrets will come to light. The courts have and will continue to make sure the dark prevails.
I will be happy to be proven wrong.
That's the key part here. It was all coordinated and timed with the release of the Freeh Report and NCAA sanctions. This wasn't some one spontaneously deciding to hire a plane - it was carefully planned and coordinates...which means it wan't just some random State College resident with $ to spend and a bone to pick...it had to be an insider with knowledge of the negotiations that were taking place.
Aha, we seem to be getting back to the OP on the plane. I never thought Heim was behind it. I've long thought it was someone from the NCAA and/or PSU BoT that paid for the banner-flying plane. Much more here: https://jmmyw.wordpress.com/2014/11/05/thoughts-on-the-ncaa-and-psu-board-of-trustees/
That post was originally a Twitter rant starting here:
That post was originally a Twitter rant starting here:
Ned: I hope you are right, but it only takes a ruling or two from a member of the PA. judiciary to shut it down and the determination and money of the Paterno family will no longer matter. I have not faith in the PA. judiciary.
Interesting. Still would like to know who was behind it. Heim definitely would have the contacts who would keep it secret. Whatever, it was still another BoT "Pearl Harbor" job on the Penn State Community as a whole.
I am confused still as to why the President of PSU wasn't having that plane taken down by authorities. The same school that says it's students "riot" when they show a pretty tame manner of anger doesn't think a plane with a basic threat is an issue that needs handled and quickly? No way that plane should have been flying as long as it was. Not saying it should have been shot down but someone didn't want it to be taken down until the point was sent home. The idiots are transparent. But it's the stupidity that is. Not honesty.
Then claim it as fact. You know who did it? It is big news and if you are so sure why don't you contact a reporter with all this damning evidence? You could be the guy who outted the buyer of the banner. From Louie Freeh on down to the guy on the street there has been far to much unproven assertion. If the person making this claim is so sure than go to the press with the evidence. What good will it do just to make this claim here?
Maybe it was timed with the free report. Maybe it wasn't. You can't be certain it had to be folks with that knowledge.It is not an absolute. There are just so many assertions that can't be proven here. Do we know as a fact that it was a State College resident?
St Charles Flying Service Aerial Advertising
"The cost is $350.00 per flight hour, with a $100.00 set up charge for the banner message."
If you're very lucky, you might find a hotel room for $450 on a football weekend in State College. Typically you'll pay a fair amount more.
BTW - even though the banner might have been paid for in Ohio, it assuredly was put together by whomever was flying the plane here.
All it takes is a phone call or two and the job is done. There's no need for a criminal mastermind.
There is nothing custom made about this banner. These are standard letters that are simply attached to the banner. It's like typesetting. It's not something that would have been custom made and shipped to State College. The local contractor simply attaches the letters and takes off. Probably takes 20 minutes max.
Who from outside the PSU community would have had an interest in flying that particular banner @ the time it was flown? Pretty specific given all the possibilities. Really specific.
I don't think there were anywhere near that number of people living in State College that wanted to destroy the legacy of Joe Paterno.
You're kidding me. All you have to do is go to any national forum that happens to mention Joe Paterno's name and you can find numerous people venting against Joe. Any one of them could have decided to rent a plane to send an anti-abuse message. The presence of that statue wasn't a state secret.
I"m as big a Paterno family supporter as you can find, but that statue had to come down. It was going to be a huge rallying point for all the Joe haters. In this case, the university really had no choice. Now they certainly could have handled it better, but there was no way for Penn State to let that statue remain standing at the time.
Let's see, they went to law school and practice their craft every day. Just because you think a question is important it does not mean that Lawyer deems that piece of information as valuable as you do. These guys know what they are doing. It's their profession that the went to school for and they practice it daily.
I agree completely. The controversy was too great. It is very easy to ask people to endure pressure when you are not the person being pressured.
I agree with UncleLar as well. It did. I also believe they maybe went tricky knowing it was going to make a lot of people really pissed off so maybe scaring people would take the heat off the people that orchestrated it being taken down. They were never honest and were a big part of the reason the general public wanted Joe's blood in the first place.
What do you think these guys totally ignore possible illegal activity by the second mile? Somehow people think there are smoking guns out there that people are just totally ignoring. Don't you think investigators or prosecutor's have a vested interest in blowing something like that wide open?
Where is all the proof of the things you are asserting here. Who is keeping secrets? None of what you are saying has been proven. Could it be you are just frustrated that some of the people you blame have not been implicated.
Have you been paying attention? At all?
I've never given the banner much thought, but I could easily see it as a BOT stunt. The pretense of outside pressure willing to take matters into their own hands is the prefect excuse to take the statue down. Just another component of the 'move on' strategy. Just an opinion. But if true, learning who was responsible for the banner would tell a lot.
I respectfully disagree. The only person who was polarized about the statue was future BoT Chairman Bernie McCue . . . I think tearing down the statue was even more damaging than the Freeh Report. it was a sign of surrender, a tangible and physical manifestation of an admission of guilt. I think it made a lot of people outside of PSU confident in narrative that Joe was culpable. But the PSU community had rallied around the statue.
Tearing it down was just the first EFF YOU to the heart and soul of Penn State by the soulless douchebags running the University.
Agree with Simons. Taking the statue down to placate the mob was similar to the decision made to fire Joe...neither was correct and both were inconsistent with what the university is supposed to represent. We aren't supposed to do what is popular, what is expedient or what is best from a PR perspective. We are supposed to do what is fair and right. Taking that statue down was not right after all that Joe had done for the university and the community.
Taking the Statue down only made matters much worse. Joe Haters were already on the hate wagon, and this just gave them more incentive. It was the worst thing to do, but that is exactly what Peetz, Frazier and the rest of the gang wanted. Focus on Joe and Football, and we may skate. It failed.
