It not rocket science. A co worker had the same thing done when he proposed to his wife. Call a 1-800 number and they sub the job out.
Plane with the Banner.
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It not rocket science. A co worker had the same thing done when he proposed to his wife. Call a 1-800 number and they sub the job out.
Read jimmyW. People are going to be implicated. This has been under investigation, BEFORE Jerry's arrest.
That is because a major event with other crafts flying around like television and security helicopters. The airspace within 3 nautical miles (3.5 miles) around major events become a no fly zone. So if they had done this during a Penn State game they probably would have been grounded. Even stricter requirements apply during the Masters golf tournament. I am sure you can spin It into a conspiracy.
http://universityparkairport.com/fbo/_images/GameDayTFR.pdf
http://www.flyags.com/Resources/810.pdf
It has nothing to do with the fly zone during an event. A direct, implicit threat was involved.
After getting a quick quote this is what they had to say. The day the tow was conducted was a "special event"...cost for a 2 hour tow $1420, fuel is extra. Cost of the banner with spacing $1020. Well above hotel rates for a football weekend.
If someone flew a banner with "Get Rid of Barron and the BoT Cabal Now", see how fast that plane would be ordered down. It wouldn't be cavorting around the SC skyways for 2 hours, guaranteed.
If someone flew a banner with "Get Rid of Barron and the BoT Cabal Now", see how fast that plane would be ordered down. It wouldn't be cavorting around the SC skyways for 2 hours, guaranteed.
I vehemently disagree with this. When you give in to tyranny, tyranny reins supreme and justice is the victim. I think this bull dump was the idea of some on the Board of Distrust. The jealousy of Paterno was not just limited to those outside Penn State.
Knocker, your last 2 sums it up. This was no random stunt. It was calculated solely to incite.
Alright bumping this back up (if that's possible with the new site) because I'd like to know more. Who the hell are Heim and Shaner and how truly weird is Heim? I know the weasel Poole but who are these other clowns and their relationship to Sandusky?
WTF is Second Mile and their board and administrators (including Jack) not under the bright, hot lights?
Heim, in the end may make Jerry look like Mickey Rooney.
TSM lights are reserved for the Feds.
Bruce Heim, Bob Poole, and Lance Shaner are three of the wealthiest individuals in State College. Heim had been involved with TSM since its inception in 1977. Poole was Chairman of the Board of TSM from 1994-2011. Shaner was on the TSM board from at least 1998 until 2005.
Heim owns the Apartment Store and Keystone Real Estate Group.
Poole owns Poole Anderson Construction (lots of contracts with PSU)
Shaner owns Shaner Hotels & Rex Energy (big in Fracking for natural gas)
Shaner & Poole bought Toftrees in November 2004, along with Phil Sieg (another past TSM board member)
http://www.hotel-online.com/News/PR2004_4th/Nov04_Toftrees.html
http://digitalnewspapers.libraries..../1985/04/22/036-DCG-1985-04-22-001-SINGLE.PDF
Related tweets:
------ The Second Mile (TSM) in general:
**Over half the TSM board left after 2008
...Including all 6 lawyers and Courtney's wife
Kane could not comment on existence of any TSM investigation 6/3/2014
TSM under-reported donations by at least $2.2M from 2005-2010
TSM dumped 21% of their assets on a single vendor after scandal broke
...rumors that vendor controlled by boys from Scranton, and Heim rumors
https://twitter.com/jmmyw/status/598179351830646785
------ Poole
Chairman of Board at TSM 1994-2011
https://twitter.com/jmmyw/status/425842482342268928
Links to rants
https://twitter.com/jmmyw/status/531612186536579072
Business deals between Silvis & Poole
https://twitter.com/jmmyw/status/482606783500791809
Poole held fundraiser for Corbett in Jan 2010
https://twitter.com/jmmyw/status/427288436857667584
** Ganim failed to even mention Poole's name in her 5-part expose of TSM
https://twitter.com/jmmyw/status/361313236009762816
$25M from PSU over last 2 years (just prior to scandal breaking)
https://twitter.com/jmmyw/status/427285937396400128
Poole's contract worth $11.5M for TSM Center of Excellence (was to be funded in part from Corbett's $3M grant)
https://twitter.com/jmmyw/status/427286596204113921
Poole knew about Vic1 in 2009 when JS resigned
https://twitter.com/jmmyw/status/361311059224694784
Did Poole know about V2 in 2001? Raykovitz, Heim, told at least one other.
https://twitter.com/jmmyw/status/361310120614957057
------ Heim
Heim rumors
https://twitter.com/jmmyw/status/598179351830646785
Heim knew in 2001 JS could no longer take kids to PSU
https://twitter.com/jmmyw/status/564894042647838721
Who told Musser to give Hilton Garden Inn keys to JS?
https://twitter.com/jmmyw/status/564802606506463233
Hospitality Asset Management Company owns Hilton Garden Inn today
https://twitter.com/jmmyw/status/564817993092579328
...Heim is a VP of Hospitality Asset Management Company
https://twitter.com/no1lion99/status/564839393236889600
"Charlie Brown Air II" owned by Heim & Shaner, to share a lease on a plane
https://twitter.com/jmmyw/status/433032634240094208
...A plane owned by Rex Energy
https://twitter.com/jmmyw/status/415291660193763328
------ Shaner
Shaner is majority shareholder of Rex Energy
https://twitter.com/jmmyw/status/488453889214001152
Fracking bill would benefit Rex Energy owners Shaner, Poole, Hintz, etc.
https://twitter.com/jmmyw/status/253139654424006656
Shaner as majority shareholder would benefit the most
https://twitter.com/jmmyw/status/488455134683213825
Shaner family has long held ties to PA GOP
https://twitter.com/jmmyw/status/488456616702791681
Shaner was largest individual donor to Corbett in 2010 ($100k)
https://twitter.com/jmmyw/status/489057225202073600
Shaner was major donor to both TSM and The Hole in The Wall Gang charities, both of which had child molestation scandals.
https://twitter.com/jmmyw/status/512263537012793345
Not when some places (Marriot for one) are getting $899 with a two night minimum for some games.
You mean like the "OUST ERICKSON/TRUSTEES" banner that flew around the tailgating lots before the 2012 Ohio game? To my knowledge, that plane wasn't grounded.
Thank you.
Okay, so Heim is odd. Shaner and Heim are business partners. Poole is Poole (slimy) -- I know of him a couple of different ways.
Heim and Shaner's connection to Joe? Spanier? Shultz? Friends or foes? Poole, I know considered himself on par with Joe and at various times was a supporter and alternatively unfriendly.
So all these local town and gown types gravitate to The Second Mile. What was so important about being on TSM board? Sandusky abuses dozens and dozens of kids if not hundreds over an extended period of time while these people are on the TSM board and nobody there knows about Sandusky? Yet, an investigation starts and many of the same locals leave The Second Mile, including all the legal eagles and Wendell Courtney's wife.
I don't see anything conclusive from this info but I wonder who at TSM knew about Sandusky. There are similar town and gown types around all big universities, benefitting from construction and real estate. Usually, they are odd people.
Okay, so Heim is odd. Shaner and Heim are business partners. Poole is Poole (slimy) -- I know of him a couple of different ways.
Heim and Shaner's connection to Joe? Spanier? Shultz? Friends or foes? Poole, I know considered himself on par with Joe and at various times was a supporter and alternatively unfriendly.
So all these local town and gown types gravitate to The Second Mile. What was so important about being on TSM board? Sandusky abuses dozens and dozens of kids if not hundreds over an extended period of time while these people are on the TSM board and nobody there knows about Sandusky? Yet, an investigation starts and many of the same locals leave The Second Mile, including all the legal eagles and Wendell Courtney's wife.
I don't see anything conclusive from this info but I wonder who at TSM knew about Sandusky. There are similar town and gown types around all big universities, benefitting from construction and real estate. Usually, they are odd people.
I can remember talk about State College being crooked even in the early 70's. Never paid it much mind, but I do now.
State College is no more crooked than many other areas in Pennsylvania.
Didn't Heim claim to be a JVP supporter and also claim to work out at Lasch?
Except that it was making a direct threat and posed a possible security issue.
Take any small Pennsylvania Borough that has a Doughboy in their town square. Fly a plane over that Borough with a banner that says "Take the Doughboy Down or We Will" and see what happens.
I was involved with a security issue post 9/11 that was exponentially more harmless than that, and there was a Swat team and bomb squad on the scene within 5 minutes.
Either someone very high in State College's hierarchy approved of that flight, or they approved of what it said and never bothered to report it.
Often, the most revealing information is derived from the most benign questions.....or from the fact that those benign questions are never asked.
Bruce Heim:
I feel compelled to write something about this significant character in the story whose full role I didn’t get to touch on in the heart of this “book.” Bruce Heim is apparently one of the wealthiest people in State College and was a long time board member of the Second Mile charity. He was also a big supporter of Jerry Sandusky, even after the initial report of the grand jury investigation surfaced in early 2011 (but quickly dropped him like everyone else did after his arrest).
One of the most startling facts I uncovered in my Sandusky interview was that just a couple of months before his arrest, Heim hosted Sanduky, future Penn State board member Ryan McCombie, and the man who would soon be known (but who in the prosecution’s eyes didn’t even exist) as Victim 2, for a round of golf at the Toftrees resort in State College.
Think about that for a moment. It is so bizarre as to be emblematic of this entire case which continually produces a script which no Hollywood screenwriter could ever produce while sober. If you were the “boy in the shower” in the McQueary episode and you had been sexually assaulted by Jerry Sandusky, would you be playing golf with him ten years later, as a married former Marine, after it was publicly known that Sandusky was the subject of a grand jury because of alleged sexual abuse? Seriously?!
Heim told me that he did not know at the time that the man he added to the foursome because his military background gave him something in common with McCumbie was the kid from the 2001 incident. However, he did know that there was such an “episode” because he was told by the head of the Second Mile Jack Raykovitz that Penn State had informed him about it. Raykovitz told Heim at the time that he had spoken to Sandusky regarding what he had learned from Tim Curley, but did not mention the identity of the boy. Heim insisted to me that this meant that Sandusky never told Raykovitz who it was, but that makes no sense given that Sandusky was very confident the boy would back him up and was well aware that the Raykovitz was extremely familiar with the boy because he was very prominent within the Second Mile. It would have been exceedingly odd and against his own self interest for Sandusky not to have done exactly what he told me he was positive that he indeed had.
I believe Heim when he says that Raykovitz didn’t give him the name (this issue is important, for among other reasons, because Raykovitz has testified that he didn’t know who it was, as well as other key facts which Sandusky told me he informed him of), but I think he is giving Raykovitz way too much credit when he concludes that this means Sandusky didn’t tell him. Both Jerry and Dottie are very insistent that Jerry told Raykovitz who the boy was and Raykovitz clearly has an incentive to lie about that now (while the timing doesn’t work out quite right, it seems possible that Raykovitz may have been doing the prosecution a “favor” by saying he didn’t know who Sandusky cited as the boy). As for why Raykovitz didn’t tell Heim at the time, it could have either been a simple oversight, or because of a confidentiality concern (when I proposed that second possibility to Heim he could not rule it out).
I had never heard of Heim (other than Sandusky’s brief mention of him) until he contacted me out of the blue after he had heard through the State College grapevine that I had interviewed Sandusky. It was immediately obvious to me that he was very concerned about what Jerry may have said, specifically about Raykovitz, about whom he was very protective. Heim came on so strong that it immediately raised my suspicions that he had reason to be very concerned about something (for context, I had heard rumors, which I do not currently believe, that Heim had given cars to the families of Sandusky victims as a way to keep them quiet).
It was also very obvious to me that Heim was personally very odd and remarkably inappropriate. He told me that he was still convinced that there was no “sex” in the McQueary episode because Mike had admitted that he saw no erection on Sandusky and that he knew from personal experience in his own sex life that, even at an advanced age, that it was impossible to get rid of an erection that quickly. If that wasn’t a strange enough piece of information for him to tell someone he had never met in their second phone conversation, Bruce then apparently put me, briefly, on his personal e-mail chain where the first item he sent out was a series of bare-chested women from Marti Gras.
But that was nothing compared to my final phone conversation with Heim. It must have become clear to him that I was not buying what he was trying way too hard to sell me and that I wasn’t remotely intimidated by him or his money. He called me and told me that he had really struggled with how he had treated Jerry and Dottie. He wondered whether he had abandoned his friends too easily and whether at least some of the charges against him were somehow false.
This conflict resonated with me because I was struggling with a similar dilemma regarding how I was going to handle my still to come national television interviews and the inevitable questions about Sandusky’s guilt. However, what he told me next would end up ranking right at the top of a very long list of things I have heard in the last year which I will never forget.
Heim said that he no longer worried about having potentially been disloyal to Sandusky because he had spoken to a “very reliable source” a couple of days before who had told him that they had seen a videotape of Jerry Sandusky having sex with a boy.
I am pretty sure that Heim was being serious, but I don’t know what he expected my reaction to be (he was clearly hoping that I would now buy totally into the Sandusky as complete “monster” narrative so that I wouldn’t believe a word he said). I am pretty sure he was rather surprised by what I did do.
I laughed at him. Loudly.
I found it utterly hilarious that a man of Heim’s stature could either delude himself (which is what I think happened) that it would be possible for such a tape to exist without it ever surfacing all because he wanted to get rid of some lingering guilt, or that he would actually think that I would be so gullible as to believe such a story without any real evidence. I then asked him a few basic questions about his “source,” which he refused to answer. Then I told him that, while I would love to believe the story (because it would make my task far less complex), I was sure that it was false. He seemed rather stunned at my frankness and the conversation pretty much ended after that. I never heard from him again.
I was fascinated by Heim’s story from several perspectives. Ironically, the contrarian in me actually saw the existence of a wild rumor that there was a “Sandusky sex tape” as further “evidence” that Sandusky might be less guilty than we think. After all, if someone like Heim is willing to believe something that absurd (it’s ridiculous not just because there would be no way in this era to keep something like that completely quiet, but because it is entirely inconsistent with the total lack of pornography in the case) all because he wants to absolve a guilty conscience, then deep down he mustreally have very serious doubts about Sandusky’s guilt.
While I will never forget the “sex tape” story, my primary take away from Heim was that those who suspect that Jack Raykovitz has something to hide and probably perjured himself are definitely on to something.
I feel compelled to write something about this significant character in the story whose full role I didn’t get to touch on in the heart of this “book.” Bruce Heim is apparently one of the wealthiest people in State College and was a long time board member of the Second Mile charity. He was also a big supporter of Jerry Sandusky, even after the initial report of the grand jury investigation surfaced in early 2011 (but quickly dropped him like everyone else did after his arrest).
One of the most startling facts I uncovered in my Sandusky interview was that just a couple of months before his arrest, Heim hosted Sanduky, future Penn State board member Ryan McCombie, and the man who would soon be known (but who in the prosecution’s eyes didn’t even exist) as Victim 2, for a round of golf at the Toftrees resort in State College.
Think about that for a moment. It is so bizarre as to be emblematic of this entire case which continually produces a script which no Hollywood screenwriter could ever produce while sober. If you were the “boy in the shower” in the McQueary episode and you had been sexually assaulted by Jerry Sandusky, would you be playing golf with him ten years later, as a married former Marine, after it was publicly known that Sandusky was the subject of a grand jury because of alleged sexual abuse? Seriously?!
Heim told me that he did not know at the time that the man he added to the foursome because his military background gave him something in common with McCumbie was the kid from the 2001 incident. However, he did know that there was such an “episode” because he was told by the head of the Second Mile Jack Raykovitz that Penn State had informed him about it. Raykovitz told Heim at the time that he had spoken to Sandusky regarding what he had learned from Tim Curley, but did not mention the identity of the boy. Heim insisted to me that this meant that Sandusky never told Raykovitz who it was, but that makes no sense given that Sandusky was very confident the boy would back him up and was well aware that the Raykovitz was extremely familiar with the boy because he was very prominent within the Second Mile. It would have been exceedingly odd and against his own self interest for Sandusky not to have done exactly what he told me he was positive that he indeed had.
I believe Heim when he says that Raykovitz didn’t give him the name (this issue is important, for among other reasons, because Raykovitz has testified that he didn’t know who it was, as well as other key facts which Sandusky told me he informed him of), but I think he is giving Raykovitz way too much credit when he concludes that this means Sandusky didn’t tell him. Both Jerry and Dottie are very insistent that Jerry told Raykovitz who the boy was and Raykovitz clearly has an incentive to lie about that now (while the timing doesn’t work out quite right, it seems possible that Raykovitz may have been doing the prosecution a “favor” by saying he didn’t know who Sandusky cited as the boy). As for why Raykovitz didn’t tell Heim at the time, it could have either been a simple oversight, or because of a confidentiality concern (when I proposed that second possibility to Heim he could not rule it out).
I had never heard of Heim (other than Sandusky’s brief mention of him) until he contacted me out of the blue after he had heard through the State College grapevine that I had interviewed Sandusky. It was immediately obvious to me that he was very concerned about what Jerry may have said, specifically about Raykovitz, about whom he was very protective. Heim came on so strong that it immediately raised my suspicions that he had reason to be very concerned about something (for context, I had heard rumors, which I do not currently believe, that Heim had given cars to the families of Sandusky victims as a way to keep them quiet).
It was also very obvious to me that Heim was personally very odd and remarkably inappropriate. He told me that he was still convinced that there was no “sex” in the McQueary episode because Mike had admitted that he saw no erection on Sandusky and that he knew from personal experience in his own sex life that, even at an advanced age, that it was impossible to get rid of an erection that quickly. If that wasn’t a strange enough piece of information for him to tell someone he had never met in their second phone conversation, Bruce then apparently put me, briefly, on his personal e-mail chain where the first item he sent out was a series of bare-chested women from Marti Gras.
But that was nothing compared to my final phone conversation with Heim. It must have become clear to him that I was not buying what he was trying way too hard to sell me and that I wasn’t remotely intimidated by him or his money. He called me and told me that he had really struggled with how he had treated Jerry and Dottie. He wondered whether he had abandoned his friends too easily and whether at least some of the charges against him were somehow false.
This conflict resonated with me because I was struggling with a similar dilemma regarding how I was going to handle my still to come national television interviews and the inevitable questions about Sandusky’s guilt. However, what he told me next would end up ranking right at the top of a very long list of things I have heard in the last year which I will never forget.
Heim said that he no longer worried about having potentially been disloyal to Sandusky because he had spoken to a “very reliable source” a couple of days before who had told him that they had seen a videotape of Jerry Sandusky having sex with a boy.
I am pretty sure that Heim was being serious, but I don’t know what he expected my reaction to be (he was clearly hoping that I would now buy totally into the Sandusky as complete “monster” narrative so that I wouldn’t believe a word he said). I am pretty sure he was rather surprised by what I did do.
I laughed at him. Loudly.
I found it utterly hilarious that a man of Heim’s stature could either delude himself (which is what I think happened) that it would be possible for such a tape to exist without it ever surfacing all because he wanted to get rid of some lingering guilt, or that he would actually think that I would be so gullible as to believe such a story without any real evidence. I then asked him a few basic questions about his “source,” which he refused to answer. Then I told him that, while I would love to believe the story (because it would make my task far less complex), I was sure that it was false. He seemed rather stunned at my frankness and the conversation pretty much ended after that. I never heard from him again.
I was fascinated by Heim’s story from several perspectives. Ironically, the contrarian in me actually saw the existence of a wild rumor that there was a “Sandusky sex tape” as further “evidence” that Sandusky might be less guilty than we think. After all, if someone like Heim is willing to believe something that absurd (it’s ridiculous not just because there would be no way in this era to keep something like that completely quiet, but because it is entirely inconsistent with the total lack of pornography in the case) all because he wants to absolve a guilty conscience, then deep down he mustreally have very serious doubts about Sandusky’s guilt.
While I will never forget the “sex tape” story, my primary take away from Heim was that those who suspect that Jack Raykovitz has something to hide and probably perjured himself are definitely on to something.
If you want to put on your tin foil hat, Shaner and Poole work together on many projects. But I think this thread is getting a bit ridiculous and people are thinking too much into it (not surprising). Someone just paid to have the banner fly around. It's as simple as that.
The whole nation hated us, take your pick. Believing that it had to be someone local with an "agenda" is a bit ignorant.
Just put a bunch of Astroturfers on Ignore. BOY, did these threads get shorter and infintely more sensible.
If "the whole nation hated us" it was because of the scripted fictions of Peetz, Frazier, Surma, Corbett, Kelly and others.
Do me a favor and try this experiment. Hire a plane to fly over any town with a Doughboy in it's town square. Run a banner on the back of your plane that says "TAKE DOWN THE DOUGHBOY OR WE WILL". Tell me if anyone comes knocking at your door.
The ONLY way they wouldn't is if someone VERY high up in the local hierarchy approved of it. Most law enforcement agencies take those kinds threats very seriously.
the only people here in Tejas who ever expressed any skepticism about the scandal were fellow Penn Staters, who have subsequently changed their opinions to support C/S/S and Paterno in what happened. A lot of Big 12 fans really surprised me with their support of Paterno.
Bingo. According to the NY Times video & Happy Valley director Amir Bar-Lev, Bernie McCue protested at the statue on 7/12/12 the same day the Freeh Report was released. McCue was escorted off the premises by police. 5 days later the banner flies over the statue. I'm curious what you mean by Bernie McCue being chairman of the BoT. I don't think he was ever on the BoT. Rodney Erickson did say he spoke with faculty/alumni about the statue.
