Play where it looked like Allar was trying to call time out

[gogolion]

Forgive me if I missed it, but has there been any discussion about the play where it looked like Allar was trying to call time out, but they didn't grant it to him. I thought it was part of the play to make it LOOK like he was trying to call timeout and confuse the defense, but then he was so upset after the play that must not have been the case. I was hoping they would ask CJF about it in the post-game press conference, but it doesn't look like they did.

Thoughts on that play from the AKB?

 

[Obliviax]

good question and interested in the answers. I believe this is where Warren pooch punted off the side of his foot.

 

[gogolion]

good question and interested in the answers. I believe this is where Warren pooch punted off the side of his foot.

Yes, I think you're right. I couldn't remember the outcome of the play, other than it wasn't very successful. Terrible punt by Warren (I guess we finally found something he isn't good at!).

 

[Lions072]

I believe Franklin talked about this yesterday in his press conference and mentioned that Allar was a decoy in this play and that was planned with him walking toward the sideline.

 

[Obliviax]

I believe Franklin talked about this yesterday in his press conference and mentioned that Allar was a decoy in this play and that was planned with him walking toward the sideline.

so what was he upset about and why did CJF yell at him?

 

[Lions072]

so what was he upset about and why did CJF yell at him?

I believe he wanted the center to snap the ball sooner.

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

Forgive me if I missed it, but has there been any discussion about the play where it looked like Allar was trying to call time out, but they didn't grant it to him. I thought it was part of the play to make it LOOK like he was trying to call timeout and confuse the defense, but then he was so upset after the play that must not have been the case. I was hoping they would ask CJF about it in the post-game press conference, but it doesn't look like they did.

Thoughts on that play from the AKB?

What are you talking about - there is no such thing as calling a "fake timeout to confuse the defense" - that is utter nonsense. If you call Timeout via a clear Timeout Signal with time left on the Play Clock (all of which Allar did), it's a Timeout - there is no such thing as "faking a timeout" via a legal Timeout Signal with plenty of time still on the Play Clock. Could you explain what in the hell your talking about regarding "faking a Timeout to confuse the defense" via a bonafide Timeout Signal??? There is no such animal so I'd love to hear this latest defense of the bull$hit b2g clown crews by yet another poser-troll b2g-hugger/defender.

 

[doctornick]

It was such a weird play. The irony of players/coaches being upset about it is that it seemed like we did was we were trying to do - decoy and then pooch punt - it's just that the punt wasn't very good. I'm not sure what they were even going for, but I personally was happy that they didn't get the timeout - in the second half, I'd much rather have that in my back pocket than getting a few more yards on a punt.

Just so strange overall.

 

[bono47]

What are you talking about - there is no such thing as calling a "fake timeout to confuse the defense" - that is utter nonsense. If you call Timeout via a clear Timeout Signal with time left on the Play Clock (all of which Allar did), it's a Timeout - there is no such thing as "faking a timeout" via a legal Timeout Signal with plenty of time still on the Play Clock. Could you explain what in the hell your talking about regarding "faking a Timeout to confuse the defense" via a bonafide Timeout Signal??? There is no such animal so I'd love to hear this latest defense of the bull$hit b2g clown crews by yet another poser-troll b2g-hugger/defender.

The spots in this game were something else. Wallace had a clear 1st down that was turned into 3rd and inches. Can't tell you how many times I have seen that in Big 10 PSU games.

I also loved watching the OSU game where Egbuka stood over an Indy player and nary a word was said.

 

[gogolion]

What are you talking about - there is no such thing as calling a "fake timeout to confuse the defense" - that is utter nonsense. If you call Timeout via a clear Timeout Signal with time left on the Play Clock (all of which Allar did), it's a Timeout - there is no such thing as "faking a timeout" via a legal Timeout Signal with plenty of time still on the Play Clock. Could you explain what in the hell your talking about regarding "faking a Timeout to confuse the defense" via a bonafide Timeout Signal??? There is no such animal so I'd love to hear this latest defense of the bull$hit b2g clown crews by yet another poser-troll b2g-hugger/defender.

First, calm the F down, geez. I'm not trying to defend the refs or anything. I was just trying to understand what went on. If the intention was to pooch punt, why would he call time out? What defensive alignment could possibly make it so that a pooch punt wouldn't work so you have to call a timeout? Calling a timeout there would make absolutely no sense.

As for "what I'm talking about"? I'm talking about clapping, or sticking your fist into your palm, something like that. The announcers even said it didn't look like a normal timeout call. I was thinking along the lines of the play we ran in the USC game where Allar pretended he couldn't hear the play in his helmet and walked toward the sidelines and then we snapped the ball.

 

[gogolion]

I'm not sure who this guy is, but he apparently thought the same thing as me:

 

[LandoComando]

so what was he upset about and why did CJF yell at him?

I don't think he was specifically mad about that play. He was mad about a ton of things and it boiled over that point. He clearly didn't agree with the decision.

 

[gogolion]

I found this from Franklin's press conference transcript from yesterday:

"Then we call the quick-kick with Tyler Warren, obviously we don't want to shank the punt and we've been working that all year long. The bigger picture thing I talked about with the team is when you're in a sky-punt situation, so typically where we were on the field, whether it's a quick-kick situation or whether it's a sky-kick situation, we would never call timeout there.

So it was a good opportunity to talk about it. We talked about it as a team. Sometimes the quarterbacks are not in that discussion because it's a special teams conversation. But we never call timeout there.

You're in a plus-territory punt situation. If you get a five-yard penalty for delay of game, no big deal. Back up five yards and you're still in a really good situation. That was a good opportunity to talk through that. "

I read somewhere else that Minnesota's defensive calls were interfering with our snap count, causing confusion and that is why Allar tried to call timeout. I assume that is why Franklin initially yelled at him, because you don't want to waste a timeout there, as described above. Just take the 5 yard penalty and punt.

 

[Cowbell Man]

First, calm the F down, geez. I'm not trying to defend the refs or anything. I was just trying to understand what went on. If the intention was to pooch punt, why would he call time out? What defensive alignment could possibly make it so that a pooch punt wouldn't work so you have to call a timeout? Calling a timeout there would make absolutely no sense.

As for "what I'm talking about"? I'm talking about clapping, or sticking your fist into your palm, something like that. The announcers even said it didn't look like a normal timeout call. I was thinking along the lines of the play we ran in the USC game where Allar pretended he couldn't hear the play in his helmet and walked toward the sidelines and then we snapped the ball.

You guys probably don’t realize we have done this before. We have used the QB in this exact fashion, tho it was Clifford Allar wasn’t actually supposed to get so far as actually calling it. The ball is supposed to be snapped sooner.

 

[gogolion]

Here's a quote from the article I mentioned.

"Late in the third quarter, a fourth-and-9 play was marred by communication issues from Minnesota’s defense, which mimicked Penn State’s cadence. The confusion left center Nick Dawkins hesitant to snap the ball, resulting in a punt instead of a potential conversion attempt. Allar, visibly frustrated, motioned for a timeout, but it didn’t come in time, and he vented his emotions on the sideline."

So the defense confused our Center, who didn't snap quickly enough, prompting Allar to panic and try to call timeout. This makes sense.

 

[Obliviax]

I found this from Franklin's press conference transcript from yesterday:

"Then we call the quick-kick with Tyler Warren, obviously we don't want to shank the punt and we've been working that all year long. The bigger picture thing I talked about with the team is when you're in a sky-punt situation, so typically where we were on the field, whether it's a quick-kick situation or whether it's a sky-kick situation, we would never call timeout there.

So it was a good opportunity to talk about it. We talked about it as a team. Sometimes the quarterbacks are not in that discussion because it's a special teams conversation. But we never call timeout there.

You're in a plus-territory punt situation. If you get a five-yard penalty for delay of game, no big deal. Back up five yards and you're still in a really good situation. That was a good opportunity to talk through that. "

I read somewhere else that Minnesota's defensive calls were interfering with our snap count, causing confusion and that is why Allar tried to call timeout. I assume that is why Franklin initially yelled at him, because you don't want to waste a timeout there, as described above. Just take the 5 yard penalty and punt.

I think they just wanted to put one more checkmark on Warren's resume.

 

[Lion_Backer]

Here's a quote from the article I mentioned.

"Late in the third quarter, a fourth-and-9 play was marred by communication issues from Minnesota’s defense, which mimicked Penn State’s cadence. The confusion left center Nick Dawkins hesitant to snap the ball, resulting in a punt instead of a potential conversion attempt. Allar, visibly frustrated, motioned for a timeout, but it didn’t come in time, and he vented his emotions on the sideline."

So the defense confused our Center, who didn't snap quickly enough, prompting Allar to panic and try to call timeout. This makes sense.

The infraction in college football that you described is a penalty: Disconcerting Signals.

".... The defense is not allowed to do anything that would simulate the snap. The defensive players can’t yell “hut” or “hike,” and they can’t clap since more offenses are using that for teammates to hear above crowd noise....."

Here is an article from The Athletic that was originally published in the NY Times that further explains the infraction.

The Athletic

Just another example of more incompetent officiating in the B1G?

 

[Obliviax]

The infraction in college football that you described is a penalty: Disconcerting Signals.

".... The defense is not allowed to do anything that would simulate the snap. The defensive players can’t yell “hut” or “hike,” and they can’t clap since more offenses are using that for teammates to hear above crowd noise....."

Here is an article from The Athletic that was originally published in the NY Times that further explains the infraction.

The Athletic

Just another example of more incompetent officiating in the B1G?

True...but rarely called. Allar was pissed when WVU did this and caused us a penalty in the first drive.

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

First, calm the F down, geez. I'm not trying to defend the refs or anything. I was just trying to understand what went on. If the intention was to pooch punt, why would he call time out? What defensive alignment could possibly make it so that a pooch punt wouldn't work so you have to call a timeout? Calling a timeout there would make absolutely no sense.

As for "what I'm talking about"? I'm talking about clapping, or sticking your fist into your palm, something like that. The announcers even said it didn't look like a normal timeout call. I was thinking along the lines of the play we ran in the USC game where Allar pretended he couldn't hear the play in his helmet and walked toward the sidelines and then we snapped the ball.

You're full of $hit - first you say you didn't see it.... then you say Allar was clapping or balling up his fist into his hand. He did NEITHER he made a T with his left hand flat on top and right hand vertical... and was violently putting his right hand up-and-down (and did so more animated as Play Clock went down). As for the clown you referenced - he doesn't know what he's talking about. Coach Franklin has stated that Allar was trying to call timeout, but he absolutely did not want him calling a timeout there so he was happy when they didn't honor his TO signal. Coach Franklin said they had called a "Quick Kick" there and that may be why Allar was looking for the TO - because they were supposed to snap the ball quickly and long before the play clock running to single digits.... but Franklin said they would never waste a TO there and would just let the play clock run out as the 5-Yard Penalty makes no difference there. He also said that he didn't want Allar calling the TO, but Allar looking for the TO was triggered by the play clock running down and was somewhat excusable because the QBs are not part of the Special Teams practice where that play is practiced and players are told that if they're trying to draw the other team offsides and the play clock goes off, don't worry about it... don't call Timeout..... etc....

So you, and your reference, are completely wrong - what Allar did was NOT part of the play AND he absolutely WAS trying to call TO.

None of what CJF said explains why the b2g refs ignored Allar's request and clear signal. The only thing CJF said was that Allar was trying to call a TO and he was actually happy they didn't give him the TO as he didn't want to spend a TO in that situation.

 

[Lion_Backer]

True...but rarely called. Allar was pissed when WVU did this and caused us a penalty in the first drive.

I personally don't recall seeing that penalty called too often, but the article from 2023 would have us believe otherwise:

".... And yes, those words are being said more frequently. The penalty was called three times in Saturday’s LSU–Missouri game. Boston College was called for it twice in its near-upset of Florida State. Georgia was penalized for it in its win over Kentucky, the second time in three weeks for Kirby Smart’s defense. .....

.... That’s been the focus for a few years. Two years ago in the national championship game, Alabama linebacker Henry To’o To’o was flagged for clapping multiple times as Georgia was about to snap the ball. A 5-yard penalty was called, and referee Duane Heydt made it clear: “Disconcerting signals, clapping.” "

 

[LandoComando]

You're full of $hit - first you say you didn't see it.... then you say Allar was clapping or balling up his fist into his hand. He did NEITHER he made a T with his left hand flat on top and right hand vertical... and was violently putting his right hand up-and-down (and did so more animated as Play Clock went down). As for the clown you referenced - he doesn't know what he's talking about. Coach Franklin has stated that Allar was trying to call timeout, but he absolutely did not want him calling a timeout there so he was happy when they didn't honor his TO signal. Coach Franklin said they had called a "Quick Kick" there and that may be why Allar was looking for the TO - because they were supposed to snap the ball quickly and long before the play clock running to single digits.... but Franklin said they would never waste a TO there and would just let the play clock run out as the 5-Yard Penalty makes no difference there. He also said that he didn't want Allar calling the TO, but Allar looking for the TO was triggered by the play clock running down and was somewhat excusable because the QBs are not part of the Special Teams practice where that play is practiced and players are told that if they're trying to draw the other team offsides and the play clock goes off, don't worry about it... don't call Timeout..... etc....

So you, and your reference, are completely wrong - what Allar did was NOT part of the play AND he absolutely WAS trying to call TO.

None of what CJF said explains why the b2g refs ignored Allar's request and clear signal. The only thing CJF said was that Allar was trying to call a TO and he was actually happy they didn't give him the TO as he didn't want to spend a TO in that situation.

He wasn't trying to call a timeout