And that is why he can't return. It's a huge risk without Warren.
Thoughts after rewatching Minny
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I agree. Allar, Singleton, and Allen are having very good years. This probably translates to maybe third or fourth round draft picks. If they work hard over the winter and come back, maybe next year they can have great years and be first round draft picks. In the meantime they can take NIL money. Allar can cavort with his Dallas Cowboy cheerleader girlfriend or take his pick of any Penn State girl on campus.
Lando you said Allen was #2 and Singleton was #3. Lots of players with speed can run east/west.
I'm at a loss by anyone thinking Allar is a third round pick. Could he fall to that? Sure but he could also go way earlier.
Or making a defender miss. It’s like we admit defeat when then defender is there. Was glad to see Trey actually make a guy miss on a catch.
I agree; they often just run into tacklers rather than trying to evade them with a move or two.
I hope Allar is the number 1 pick. Maybe I listen to the TV commentators too much during our games. The Minnesota, Ohio State, and USC QBs were just as good or maybe better than Allar when we played them. He has a strong arm. He isn't all that mobile. He didn't have the accuracy of the Minnesota QB last Saturday. I sure don't see him as a high round pick this year.
Allar’s been solid this year but what he needs to work on the most is throwing to guys in tight windows. He seems to throw only when the receiver is pretty wide open, for the most part, and our WRs are rarely pretty wide open. He can make those throws, where only our wr can make it, without it being at risk of being an Int. And needs to do more of that, imo.
That is the truth. Rucci missed on blitz. Shelton whiffed on blitz. Drew was under way too much pressure on critical plays. Was it Artis (58) who completely missed blocking inside guy on extra point? Basically we won bc Singleton was healthy, a weapon out of backfield and had speed to get 5-10 yards at a clip to keep drives moving.
Allar is very mobile. His completion percentage was 75 against Minnesota. I'm not sure what people are watching. He's been the best QB on the field in every game other than arguably USC when he still had a great day.
He outplayed Howard who had a pick six and a horrible fumble. His only pick was a dropped TD throw by Wallace
He doesn't trust them. He makes those throws to Warren. See the back shoulder throw to Warren down the seam against Minny
Allar is handicapped by two things, lack of a wide receiver and an offensive coordinator who sometimes out gimmicks himself.
shocking that Kaytron didn't have a carry until the second half.
A large percentage of Allar's passes are short, easy, high percentage passes. His completion percentage / interception rate is not necessarily indicative of his performance. In fact, I believe one of his most impressive performances was against USC and he threw multiple interceptions in that game.
Allar was not great against OSU and did not outperform Howard. If he had, we would have won the game. Howard's interception and fumble were outliers in his performance. Howard calmed down after the interception and threw for 2 touchdowns. Howard did what he had to do to win the game in the most hostile environment in college football and Allar did not. First round QBs win that game.
Allar is a good QB but he is simply not there yet. IMO Allar absolutely needs another year of College football if he wants to be a first round or even second round draft pick.
Your first statement is false. Most QB live on WR screens in the college game. Allar is one of the most accurate intermediate and deep ball passers. Remember we coach to underthrow the deep ball.
Allar outperformed Howard despite his WRs being useless
How much football do you watch outside of Penn State? Watch Ewers Beck and Milroe. If you still don't see why he is in the mix with them then you're not understanding what you're seeing. Honestly if you think Allar throws a lot if short passes you aren't watching much college football.
Allar is averaging 9.6 yards per completion. This is in the top ten of all the top teams in college football.
I would like to see Allar throw receivers open more often, and while it is difficult to tell watching the game on TV, sometimes it seems he has missed some open receivers while focusing on Warren.
He has. Look he’s been great but he clearly has things to work on if he wants to return to PSU next year instead of an NFL bench
He has all the tools, but another year if he had the weapons around him would probably do him good. He reminds me a little of a Big Ben with better leadership qualities.
However, I agree with other posters that without those weapons he is better off going pro. After a good combine showing he will not drop below round 2.
Because he doesn't trust them--we all get that right?
We saw this early in the year when teams were playing heavy zone against us. He would look like he threw behind someone but they didn't sit in the soft spot. You can't throw someone open who doesn't run consistent or reliable routes. That's why it's heavy Warren and Singleton. Before we even consider the drops.
I wonder if Penn State's wide receiver woes are exacerbated by lack of practice. Can you imagine the Penn State practices? They have a menu of about 50 complicated gadget plays. Each requires tons of practice to run correctly. I bet 75% of practice time is spent on getting the gadget plays down correctly. The other 25% of the practice time is likely spent on normal running and passing plays. Wide receiver development may be taking a back seat to gadget plays.
Well if the wr’s can’t tell the difference between man and zone, or don’t know what to do when they read zone, they need a new WR coach.
I tend to agree, in addition, by all accounts, he is a hard worker, very coachable and a film watching fanatic.
We need a new WR coach--only Clifford is good against Zone
Fleming and Wallace don't understand finding soft spots--they just keep running the route as called. It's very frustrating with Fleming considering who coached him at OSU
it is an interesting point. One of the concerns I had was the presnap penalties because players have to think so much about motions and formations. I think Allar, and the team, have done a great job of managing this given the lack of practice time for college players plus the first year with a new OC.
In addition, the new play clock plays a part. Both PSU and Minny had four possessions in the second half. That is 8 total. There are only so many plays and so many balls. To that point, Katron had zero touches in the first half. So to your point, with Warren being so good, maybe the WRs are just second fiddle.
It would also be great to see a comparison between this years and last years offensive production between the two OCs.
And very few of the gimmick plays included the wide receivers.
Good point. Few "end arounds" or jet sweeps as well. That is probably a window into what the staff feels about our WRs.
Then how to you account for the questionable calls that went in favor of Minnesota? Do you have a theory about those?
My hunch is that without Kotelnicki we would likely be 8-3 or even 7-4 right now instead of 10 - 1.
Very few wr screens as well. I also don’t understand why they don’t use Evans more. He seems to be a legit deep threat. I would like to see what he could do on a quick slant or skinny post after the catch.
Who knows what the reason is we don't see him more but it's scary he can't earn playing time given our current situation.
Funny thing is coming into this season we had a long streak of not allowing a TD on the first drive. I remember them flashing that stat up on TV in some of the early games in the season. That streak ended against Bowling Green. Like you I thought this has been a problem this season but looking back it hasn't been as bad as I thought in my head. Even so, Manny Diaz seemed to have the defense better prepared at the start of games whereas Allen defense seems to really hit their stride in the third quarter for whatever reason.
Points allowed on opponent's first possession:
W Virginia - 0
Bowling Green - 7
Kent St - 0
Illinois - 7
UCLA - 0
USC - 0
Wisconsin - 3
Ohio St - 0 (pick 6 for PSU)
Washington - 0 (missed FG)
Purdue - 0
Minnesota - 7
Hate to say it, but if Allar isn't happy with his draft grade the smart thing to do would be for him to transfer to a place with better WRs and a pass first offense where he can pad his stats. Between going to the NFL or possibly transferring out, I'm not expecting him back next year.
I'll be shocked, SHOCKED, if that happens. first, Allar has said nothing but glowing comments about CJF. In fact, he said that there is no coach in college football that he'd like to play for. Second, I know that the Allar family is very happy with PSU both athletically and achedemically.
You'll notice, in the minny post game, the on field interviewer made a note to say that she grabbed CJF to talk and CJF grabbed Allar and told her to talk to Allar. CJF responded to one question and then walked away from the interview leaving her and Allar together.
So--yes, that would be the alternative but there's not many places more high profile than Penn State so it's really the NFL as his only option
Unless Bama or Georgia come calling--but I don't think he'd do that
All of the so called tricky stuff is just smoke and mirrors in AK's offense. There are basic plays at the core and the motions and weird formations are just there to distract the defense. The route trees the WRs are running probably aren't any more complicated than any other year. This definitely isn't the issue.
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