I mean, this was done because of the sideline outburst. Franklin didn't want to be asked about it there so the easiest thing to do is put Drew there who handles that stuff like a 10 year pro
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I do think he's pretty happy at PSU also, but today's sports are a "me first" business and he might decide to leave if that's what's best for his career even if he doesn't really want to. I expect that the most likely scenario by a wide margin is Allar going pro though.
I agree, made the same comment earlier. He trusts Warren....so he throws it. He does not trust the WRs unless they are wide open. Maybe a little bit of trust for Wallace.....but the the lack of faith in the WRs making the catch or stopping the INT has kept Allar from throwing the ball all over the field.
Why wouldn't Allar be happy at PSU? As a result of his PSU notoriety he is boinking a Dallas Cowboy's cheerleader.
Pictures????? Want to make sure that it is not my Dallas Cowboy Cheerleader Girlfriend..........
Hopefully you do realize that post is as fake as the ones about finding dogs and children on the side of the road, or a relatives house getting cleaned out after they moved into "aged care".
That is not completely accurate. The 9.6 number represents yards per attempt, which is different than yards per coompletion. Yards per attempt favors QBs with higher completion percentages because a QB gets zero yards for an incomplete pass which brings down average per attempt for QB's who throw lower percentage passes. When you go with yards per completion, PSU is 32nd.
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Fair enough but high completion percentage is still an important factor along with yards and INTs. Overall, Drew is rated #8 by Quarterback Ranking (QBR). He's ahead of guys like Beck, Milroe, and Sanders. The people before him are Ward, Dart, Rourke, Howard, Gabriel, Robertson (Baylor), and Horvath (Navy).That is not completely accurate. The 9.6 number represents yards per attempt, which is different than yards per coompletion. Yards per attempt favors QBs with higher completion percentages because a QB gets zero yards for an incomplete pass which brings down average per attempt for QB's who lower percentage passes. When you go with yards per completion, PSU is 32nd.
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If you factor in talent on the team, players that don't play against the same level of competition (Baylor, Navy), Teams that have much more overall/receiving talent teams (Miami, Ohio State, Oregon), that are "pass-happy", and age you get in an even higher rating.
Plus, he's only 20 years old while Roark (24) Howard (23), Gabriel (23), and Sanders (22) are much older.
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Unless they claim the TE was in the backfield (he wasn't) he sure looks covered up to me:
should have been a penalty. Now, we'd have declined it anyway because of the loss of yardage and down but it is a penalty.
Allar will be the 3rd QB taken. Whether that's the first round or early second.
YPA does favor a QB with a higher completion percentage but I'd argue it is the better metric.That is not completely accurate. The 9.6 number represents yards per attempt, which is different than yards per coompletion. Yards per attempt favors QBs with higher completion percentages because a QB gets zero yards for an incomplete pass which brings down average per attempt for QB's who lower percentage passes. When you go with yards per completion, PSU is 32nd.
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A QB who goes 1 for 30 but his one completion is for 30 yard has a YPC of 30 but a YPA of 1. A QB who goes 28 of 30 but every pass goes for 9 yards has a YPC of 9 and a YPA of 8.4. I'd think we all agree the second QB is far superior.
If he touched the ball (he didn't) it's illegal touching (ineligible receiver). Since he didn't touch, it's a penalty for grounding (no eligible receiver in the area and QB in the pocket) which would be loss of down and a spot foul. Which I imagine they would have accepted. Although, probably wouldn't have mattered, given the FG 2 plays later.
(not a huge deal in the end, but when I saw that play developing, I was like "that's not a legal play")
interestingly, the refs for the Browns Steelers got this right. A RT lined up uncovered. The QB got blitzed and threw the ball touching the RG. The refs initially called intentional grounding but then realized the uncovered RT was near the ball so picked up the grounding call and then called illegal touching.
My mistake. When I saw it live I thought it was the TE that went in motion. I hadn’t seen it since.
Depending on where the QB was in the pocket, illegal touching could be better for the offensive team (i.e. 5 yards and loss of down vs spot of pass and loss of down).
No matter, but just an interesting quirk on a play that didn't work anyway.
he was in the pocket so if the RT wasn't eligible it would have been grounding. Grounding is a five-yard penalty plus a loss of down. With Ill Touching it was 3rd and 7. If illegal grounding it would have been 4th and 17 (loss of down plus ten yard penalty). It should be noted that the Steelers coach could have refused the penalty and made it 4th and 2 but he wanted to move the ball back to defend against a field goal try.
Also of note is a different "Illegal Touching" and this is if a receiver voluntarily leaves (isn't forced out by a defender) the field of play and then reenters to make a catch.
According to former NFL Ref Gene Steratore, the intentional grounding call was nullified because the QB was hit just as he was attempting the pass. According to Gene, it did not matter whether there was a receiver in the vicinity or not.
The illegal touching penalty was only called because an ineligible receiver intentionally tried to catch the pass. It would have not been a penalty if it just hit him without attempting to be a receiver.
I am biased but I believe Gene is the best in explaining the nuances of these rules. His dad officiated some of my basketball games back in the day and he too was a very accomplished official.
I believe that he's from Washington, PA, and he also officiated college basketball. He appears every Tuesday around 7:45 a.m. on the WDVE Morning Show to talk about controversial calls from the previous weekend.
I don't. I'm just relaying what's on their boards - especially the Gopherhole. My point is almost every fan base has the same complaints after a loss......especially OL holding by the opposing team.
In the postgame interview that is what the Browns coach told the media. The ref told him it was illegal touching because there was a legal receiver in the area regardless of what Steratore thought.
You're right; I just looked him up on Wikipedia and he was born in Uniontown.
I don't doubt what you are saying that the official told coach Stefanski.
I assume that you have observed Gene being brought in on various broadcasts to breakdown the play and call and provide his analysis - and reasoning behind it.
In my opinion he is the best of those 'officiating analyst' at providing insight and logical explanations.
To begin with, I have never said Allar is not a good QB. I believe he will be drafted in the third round and I expressed my opion that he should return for another year because I believe he could develope into a first round pick with a good senior year. I have never said he is not in the mix with top QBs. I just don't think he is a first or second rounder at this point.
As to your condescending BS question about how much football I watch, I watch enough football to know that you are nothing more than a self-proclaimed expert / troll, not an actual expert.
With respect to your comparison to other QBs, Milroe is an apples to oranges comparison. Milroe is ranked ahead of Allar not because of his accuracy, but because of his elite scrambling ability. With respect to Beck, he has likely played himself out of the first round this year as a result of his play so far this year. Thus, if you are comparing Beck's play this year to Allar's play this year, well Beck is simply not playing like a first rounder.
Allar generated 6 points against Ohio State in a home game and we lost the game. He absolutely did not outperform Howard.
Did I say you said he wasn't a good QB?
Tell me what weapons he has next year that warrants delaying the second contract a year. Getting to the second deal asap is all that matters. What makes you think we have a QB coach that's going to improve him if you see him as a thirdd rounder currently?
Let's use your Beck example....why came back and risk hurting your stock?
Milroe is ranked higher by who? Mock draft analysts?
Wallace dropped a TD and then play calling cost us another score--is that on Allar? He did outperform Howard.
Again, you claimed he lives on short passes which isn't true. Watch Texas, Miami and Colorado more than you do then tell me who throws the least amount of passes in the group at or behind the LOS
I do not disagree with your post. However the Yards Per Attempt was posted in response to my post saying that Allar throws a lot of short, high percentage passes. I believe the Yards Per Catch is a more accurate stat than YPA in analyzing whether Allar is throwing a lot of short, high percentage passes.
You're incorrect. The almost nonexistent YAC by anyone other than Warren should tip you off on that.
there will be several QBs taken in the first round. Perhaps as many as six. If I am a GM there are several that I question. In general, I am not a big fan of the running QB. I love that some can create, but it is too long of a season for a QB to be putting himself at risk. The super bowl winner will play 20/21 games.
- Sanders would be my #1 but he plays in a wide open Colorado team coached by his father. I don't think he gets the ability to create in the NFL like he does at Colorado and that is a big part of his appeal. Plus the question of if he can stay healthy
- Ewers seems to have the best accuracy and touch but at 6-2 and 206 seems small for his 4.7 40 yard dash time.
- Cam Ward would be my #2 at 6-2 and 220 but his 40 time is also slowish at 4.68
- Jalen Milroe has done the least with the most in terms of talent but is still up there. He's also 6-2
- LSU's Nussmeier is also 6-2 and 200 lbs with a 4.75 40. I don't see the talent there to be honest
- Allar is 6-5 nd 243 with the strongest arm of the pack. He's also anywhere from one to three years younger than the rest. His 40 time is slow but comparable at 4.7
- Dart is 6-2 and 217 but totally fell apart Saturday. One has to wonder about him.
- Beck hasn't performed well against good teams. But he is NFL sized at 6-4 but listed slower than Allar at 4.74
- Gabriel is 5-11. Done. You don't see many under 6 feet successful NFL QBs outside of Drew Brees (6') .
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A few of them also will get a shot to impress in the playoff. Allar and Beck in particularthere will be several QBs taken in the first round. Perhaps as many as six. If I am a GM there are several that I question. In general, I am not a big fan of the running QB. I love that some can create, but it is too long of a season for a QB to be putting himself at risk. The super bowl winner will play 20/21 games.
I'd be willing to bet that the scouts go nuts on Allar at the NFL combine and he ends up being a first round pick if he doesn't stay another year.
- Sanders would be my #1 but he plays in a wide open Colorado team coached by his father. I don't think he gets the ability to create in the NFL like he does at Colorado and that is a big part of his appeal. Plus the question of if he can stay healthy
- Ewers seems to have the best accuracy and touch but at 6-2 and 206 seems small for his 4.7 40 yard dash time.
- Cam Ward would be my #2 at 6-2 and 220 but his 40 time is also slowish at 4.68
- Jalen Milroe has done the least with the most in terms of talent but is still up there. He's also 6-2
- LSU's Nussmeier is also 6-2 and 200 lbs with a 4.75 40. I don't see the talent there to be honest
- Allar is 6-5 nd 243 with the strongest arm of the pack. He's also anywhere from one to three years younger than the rest. Hit 40 time is slow but comparable at 4.7
- Dart is 6-2 and 217 but totally fell apart Saturday. One has to wonder about him.
- Beck hasn't performed well against good teams. But he is NFL sized at 6-4 but listed slower than Allar at 4.74
- Gabriel is 5-11. Done. You don't see many under 6 feet successful NFL QBs outside of Drew Brees (6') .
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Agreed. But in season performance is just one of many decision points. The combine will move him up. His 40 time will be better than most people think and he'll throw the ball a mile. His measurables will be better than any of them (size, speed, length, release, arm strength).
IMO the problem with the tricky stuff is that it sometimes gets the team and Allar out of rhythm.
Kyle Murray, Arizona Cardinals QB is no more than 5' 10"there will be several QBs taken in the first round. Perhaps as many as six. If I am a GM there are several that I question. In general, I am not a big fan of the running QB. I love that some can create, but it is too long of a season for a QB to be putting himself at risk. The super bowl winner will play 20/21 games.
I'd be willing to bet that the scouts go nuts on Allar at the NFL combine and he ends up being a first round pick if he doesn't stay another year.
- Sanders would be my #1 but he plays in a wide open Colorado team coached by his father. I don't think he gets the ability to create in the NFL like he does at Colorado and that is a big part of his appeal. Plus the question of if he can stay healthy
- Ewers seems to have the best accuracy and touch but at 6-2 and 206 seems small for his 4.7 40 yard dash time.
- Cam Ward would be my #2 at 6-2 and 220 but his 40 time is also slowish at 4.68
- Jalen Milroe has done the least with the most in terms of talent but is still up there. He's also 6-2
- LSU's Nussmeier is also 6-2 and 200 lbs with a 4.75 40. I don't see the talent there to be honest
- Allar is 6-5 nd 243 with the strongest arm of the pack. He's also anywhere from one to three years younger than the rest. His 40 time is slow but comparable at 4.7
- Dart is 6-2 and 217 but totally fell apart Saturday. One has to wonder about him.
- Beck hasn't performed well against good teams. But he is NFL sized at 6-4 but listed slower than Allar at 4.74
- Gabriel is 5-11. Done. You don't see many under 6 feet successful NFL QBs outside of Drew Brees (6') .
2025 NFL Draft Prospects: Quarterback – WalterFootball
He's basically the exception not the rule. The Russell Wilson or Drew Brees-type QBs usually have more to prove to get a shot. Going to be tough for Gabriel despite some success by Murray
Everyone else is plenty tall but the NFL loves QBs like Herbert, Lawrence and Josh Allen which is only Allar and arguably Beck. Drew probably as 20-25 pounds on Beck
Yep. PSU is in almost the same situation with WR's that they were in last year at this time. Need to go out in December and get at least 2 6'2"+ WR's from the portal that are fast, run routes, and catch a football. It will take NIL and it will take Franklin backing using NIL to get them.
I do believe the 2025 WR class committed to PSU is the best group in at least 4 or 5 years, but relying on freshmen WR's to lead an offense doesn't usually end well. As good as OSU recruits WR's they still usually allow them to break into college football somewhat gradually, even the one's that end up as stars by midseason of their first year didn't have to lead the passing offense in their first game. Franklin and Kotelnicki need to get their portal WR talent in December to show Allar that he can come back and have a big year at PSU in 2025.
Allen doesn't seem to really break tackles to me. When he gets going he seems to almost run through tackles to get an extra 3-5 yards as he goes down. He also seems to make nice cuts, but on one of his runs Saturday when he did get through the line he seemed to be running slightly to the right and then tried to avoid the tackle by going futher to the right which was the direction the defender was running, where a cut against the grain, more north and south, to the left might have resulted in another 5-8 yards. Allen just doesn't seem to be the back he was last year and early this season. Is it just pathetic run blocking? I don't really know.....
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