Post match quick take

[dicemen99]

Just a quick take after watching the Stanford (and Army) match:

165 - Not discouraged at all. Cenzo comes out a little OOC (first Rec Hall match) and finds himself down 12-1 a minute in. Controlled the bout from there out, but the other kid was a tank and he couldn't overcome a couple of things - a lazy finish giving Stanford his 3rd TD in the 1st period, a couple of times he couldn't finish at the end of the 1st and 2nd with the Stanford kid doing a nice job of holding him off and a missed NF call (even an Iowa fan would have been calling for 2) off a TD. One thing to note in watching Cenzo is that he likes to go upper body - the Stanford kid was obviously his match there and he would have been better served being patient. Plus, you give up a TD like Nolf is prone to do with his aggressiveness, you give up 2 - no big deal. Upper body, you don't win them all and you can find yourself giving up 6 occasionally (a la Bo a few times last year). Probably needs to pick his spots better against certain opponents.

174 - Morelli with a nice win, controlled the whole match vs. Wilson. Showed some nice neutral offense - some on here probably underestimating him.

184 - Not much to say. Bo dominates two inferior opponents.

197 - Nice job by Cutch obviously giving up size against two tough opponents. He's clearly an AA talent wise at this weight, just needs to add some size. Both matches was superior on his feet, scored early TD and then kind of kept himself out of danger for the most part the rest of the match. He's going to have some difficulties riding at this weight, just needs to keep developing confidence in his low shot against the big guys.

285 - Nick looked good against Butler. Probably didn't need to take that last shot in the 3rd which can be dangerous against the big guys. He's got a lot of tools from his feet and on top - just needs to keep adding good muscle.

125 - Nick looked good, controlled Schram. One thing I've got to say is that I wish Schram would have wrestled him to get a better idea of how good Nick is. Schram did not take one step forward, seemed content to just give Nick the match. Pretty pathetic performance by him, wasn't much more Nick could do. I'm not sure how he only gave up 1 stalling point.

133 - Cortez not tested - Army kid was the closest to a solid opponent but got overwhelmed on bottom. Obviously he's a monster on top. Can't really tell how he's going to fare on his feet against top opponents. Looked kind of tentative against Army, much better against Stanford, but again the quality of opponent doesn't tell you much.

141 - Not bad for Jimmy. Obviously, McKenna is going to be an issue for him on top which is a problem. But in neutral he looked much better than last year. Didn't finish that shot in the 2nd, but that call could have gone either way - for an instant he was behind and McKenna on the mat. Poor mat awareness giving up the 2NF - looked like he relaxed as they were going OOB. McKenna scored early and then basically went into retreat the rest of the match. Not that I blame him - good strategy. But JG can go on his feet with him. Also looked very good in neutral against a tough kid from Army.

149 - Can't wait to see some of the stills of the Stanford kids face as Zain was working on the pin. He's just a treat.

157 - Nolf is a beast. The Stanford kid is pretty good and he just broke him.

 

[Cali_Nittany]

Just a quick take after watching the Stanford (and Army) match:

165 - Not discouraged at all. Cenzo comes out a little OOC (first Rec Hall match) and finds himself down 12-1 a minute in. Controlled the bout from there out, but the other kid was a tank and he couldn't overcome a couple of things - a lazy finish giving Stanford his 3rd TD in the 1st period, a couple of times he couldn't finish at the end of the 1st and 2nd with the Stanford kid doing a nice job of holding him off and a missed NF call (even an Iowa fan would have been calling for 2) off a TD. One thing to note in watching Cenzo is that he likes to go upper body - the Stanford kid was obviously his match there and he would have been better served being patient. Plus, you give up a TD like Nolf is prone to do with his aggressiveness, you give up 2 - no big deal. Upper body, you don't win them all and you can find yourself giving up 6 occasionally (a la Bo a few times last year). Probably needs to pick his spots better against certain opponents.

174 - Morelli with a nice win, controlled the whole match vs. Wilson. Showed some nice neutral offense - some on here probably underestimating him.

184 - Not much to say. Bo dominates two inferior opponents.

197 - Nice job by Cutch obviously giving up size against two tough opponents. He's clearly an AA talent wise at this weight, just needs to add some size. Both matches was superior on his feet, scored early TD and then kind of kept himself out of danger for the most part the rest of the match. He's going to have some difficulties riding at this weight, just needs to keep developing confidence in his low shot against the big guys.

285 - Nick looked good against Butler. Probably didn't need to take that last shot in the 3rd which can be dangerous against the big guys. He's got a lot of tools from his feet and on top - just needs to keep adding good muscle.

125 - Nick looked good, controlled Schram. One thing I've got to say is that I wish Schram would have wrestled him to get a better idea of how good Nick is. Schram did not take one step forward, seemed content to just give Nick the match. Pretty pathetic performance by him, wasn't much more Nick could do. I'm not sure how he only gave up 1 stalling point.

133 - Cortez not tested - Army kid was the closest to a solid opponent but got overwhelmed on bottom. Obviously he's a monster on top. Can't really tell how he's going to fare on his feet against top opponents. Looked kind of tentative against Army, much better against Stanford, but again the quality of opponent doesn't tell you much.

141 - Not bad for Jimmy. Obviously, McKenna is going to be an issue for him on top which is a problem. But in neutral he looked much better than last year. Didn't finish that shot in the 2nd, but that call could have gone either way - for an instant he was behind and McKenna on the mat. Poor mat awareness giving up the 2NF - looked like he relaxed as they were going OOB. McKenna scored early and then basically went into retreat the rest of the match. Not that I blame him - good strategy. But JG can go on his feet with him. Also looked very good in neutral against a tough kid from Army.

149 - Can't wait to see some of the stills of the Stanford kids face as Zain was working on the pin. He's just a treat.

157 - Nolf is a beast. The Stanford kid is pretty good and he just broke him.

I was impressed with Morelli's offense. I think Pitt has finally been fully detoxed out of him.

 

[FineMaterial]

Agree with your comments, a few adders:
Jimmy's takedown was big. 1.he kept fighting to the end. 2.If it had gone the other way it would have been a major, good gutsy hang-in-there
Nick with a full period ride out on a good guy, Impressive.
Angry Nolf was a crowd pleaser but seemed to me like he was wasting time. Just stick him. Or is there a rule on having to work out after the match if it's too short?

 

[RandyL]

Whose choice to start at 165?
Cael so fans could enjoy ending with ZR and Nolf?

I think Nolf will spend most of the season just basically experimenting with most guys to make it more interesting and enjoyable for him.
He likes to find himself in odd situations.
DT did some of that too.

If you cant get a fall....where's the fun

 

[Tom McAndrew]

Whose choice to start at 165?

From the NCAA rule book:

"1.5 Determining Wrestling Order

Immediately after the weigh-in for a dual meet or multiple dual meets conducted on the same day, coaches may mutually agree to determine the order of matches to be wrestled, allowing for a particular weight class to be featured. Once the first weight class is established, subsequent matches will continue in the traditional sequence of increasing weight class.

If coaches cannot agree on the wrestling order, a random draw shall be conducted to determine which weight class will be wrestled first.

Note: For example, if the 165-pound weight class, an even-numbered weight, is selected by mutual consent or random draw, the sequence of weight classes would be 165, 174, 184, 197, Heavyweight and then 125 through 157."


CS has indicated that he prefers to start at 125. Since this dual started at 165, my guess would be that Stanford would not agree to 125, and as a result there was a random draw.

It's also possible that Stanford would not agree to 125, and CS and Stanford's coach mutually agreed to 165, though I would be surprised if that is what happened.

 

[Eastern HWT]

I heard that since Suriano has never been to to a match in Rec Hall. He has attended the BJC matches but never Rec Hall. The decision was made to do arandom draw, so he could see everything in that environment, and get nerves and feeling out of the way before having to wrestle.

 

[RoarLions1]

The Stanford Coaches, as is their MO, would not agree to the 125 start...therefore a draw (see Tom's post above for the rule) was done.

 

[tikk10]

From the NCAA rule book:

"1.5 Determining Wrestling Order

Immediately after the weigh-in for a dual meet or multiple dual meets conducted on the same day, coaches may mutually agree to determine the order of matches to be wrestled, allowing for a particular weight class to be featured Once the first weight class is established, subsequent matches will continue in the traditional sequence of increasing weight class

If coaches cannot agree on the wrestling order, a random draw shall be conducted to determine which weight class will be wrestled first

Note: For example, if the 165-pound weight class, an even-numbered weight, is selected by mutual consent or random draw, the sequence of weight classes would be 165, 174, 184, 197, Heavyweight and then 125 through 157."


CS has indicated that he prefers to start at 125. Since this dual started at 165, my guess would be that Stanford would not agree to 125, and as a result there was a random draw.

It's also possible that Stanford would not agree to 125, and CS and Stanford's coach mutually agreed to 165, though I would be surprised if that is what happened.

I think Byers pointed out that they started last year at 165 too, I didn't remember that. Most sensible explanation is that Stanford was helping buy one of its lighter weight guys recovery time from a tough cut, and same problem persists today.

 

[BruceK-PSU83]

Mostly agree with those comments. A few additional thoughts:

- Schram's effort was pretty weak IMO. As you say, when in neutral he backed up the entire time. That said, Suriano really didn't do much during his 2-minute ride-out.

- Cortez seems like he can really crank guys from the top position.

- Didn't really see much difference in the Gulibov-Mckenna match from last season. Jimmy gives up a blast double early (something that happened too often last year) and then gets ridden like a pony. McKenna was in complete control the entire match. McKenna is obviously very tough, and it's early, but I just don't see that Gulibon is that close to the top guys at 141.

- Zain's guy looked very, very uncomfortable

- Nolf toyed with his guy and eventually broke him. Pretty typical.

- Nice win for Morelli. Looked pretty decent from neutral, but didn't see interested in any mat wrestling; he cut Wilson pretty quickly whenever on top.

- No surprise, but Nevills definitely looks better at 250 lb than he did last year at around 263 lb.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

Some pooh-pooing of Nick's win over #4 on other boards.

Made me chuckle a bit. We'll take him

 

[James P. Whitters III]

I just have to say that Joseph is fun to watch. He is afraid of nothing and adds another guy who will let it all hang out. I like him. He may loose some head scratchers because he pressures non stop, but I have to think he will push plenty of tough dudes to a place they won't want to be late in matches. Cortez reminds me of Nick Gallick who used to wrestle for ISU.

 

[caliPSUfan]

Cenzo likes to kind of horse guys around and he was up against a guy today that spent his last three seasons up at 174 (redshirt, frosh, and soph)...the kid was strong as an ox and he had some decent hips so it cost him.

Good learning experience for Cenzo today, inexpensive early lesson that oughtta do him well down the line.

I can't wait to watch him in action again!

 

[dunkej01]

Some pooh-pooing of Nick's win over #4 on other boards.

Made me chuckle a bit. We'll take him

Nick moved forward All.the.time.

Got to hand it to him as he didnt compromise position for a wild shot as the moment grew. A freshman, in his first match, crowd roaring, got the #4 guy and he never lost composure. nerves of steel to me.

Im not sure if the guy near me was Schram relation, but if it was, they were taken back by his lack of offense. made the comment he was waiting for the freshman to make a mistake. didnt happen.

big big things for the freshman this year and I think he has the mindset to compartmentalize it appropriately.

 

[Cali_Nittany]

Mostly agree with those comments. A few additional thoughts:

- Schram's effort was pretty weak IMO. As you say, when in neutral he backed up the entire time. That said, Suriano really didn't do much during his 2-minute ride-out.

- Cortez seems like he can really crank guys from the top position.

- Didn't really see much difference in the Gulibov-Mckenna match from last season. Jimmy gives up a blast double early (something that happened too often last year) and then gets ridden like a pony. McKenna was in complete control the entire match. McKenna is obviously very tough, and it's early, but I just don't see that Gulibon is that close to the top guys at 141.

- Zain's guy looked very, very uncomfortable

- Nolf toyed with his guy and eventually broke him. Pretty typical.

- Nice win for Morelli. Looked pretty decent from neutral, but didn't see interested in any mat wrestling; he cut Wilson pretty quickly whenever on top.

- No surprise, but Nevills definitely looks better at 250 lb than he did last year at around 263 lb.

I agree except for Gulibon. Too often, he looked flat last year after going down early. That was not the case this time with McKenna. Gulibon was the clear agressor in the 3rd and got the late takedown. I see improvement.

 

[dunkej01]

Cenzo likes to kind of horse guys around and he was up against a guy today that spent his last three seasons up at 174 (redshirt, frosh, and soph)...the kid was strong as an ox and he had some decent hips so it cost him.

Good learning experience for Cenzo today, inexpensive early lesson that oughtta do him well down the line.

I can't wait to watch him in action again!

that headlock was beautiful. credit where credit is due.

Cenzo down 12-1, finished the remaining 5+ min 11-6 and kept it to a dec by pushing pace, right till the end. I think he let the kid into his legs a little easy which drained the time in the match and I think that was by design after the big lead. sucks to loose, but in coach speak, I think we learned more in the loss, then we would have in a win.

 

[Real-Lion]

Just a quick take after watching the Stanford (and Army) match:

165 - Not discouraged at all. Cenzo comes out a little OOC (first Rec Hall match) and finds himself down 12-1 a minute in. Controlled the bout from there out, but the other kid was a tank and he couldn't overcome a couple of things - a lazy finish giving Stanford his 3rd TD in the 1st period, a couple of times he couldn't finish at the end of the 1st and 2nd with the Stanford kid doing a nice job of holding him off and a missed NF call (even an Iowa fan would have been calling for 2) off a TD. One thing to note in watching Cenzo is that he likes to go upper body - the Stanford kid was obviously his match there and he would have been better served being patient. Plus, you give up a TD like Nolf is prone to do with his aggressiveness, you give up 2 - no big deal. Upper body, you don't win them all and you can find yourself giving up 6 occasionally (a la Bo a few times last year). Probably needs to pick his spots better against certain opponents.

174 - Morelli with a nice win, controlled the whole match vs. Wilson. Showed some nice neutral offense - some on here probably underestimating him.

184 - Not much to say. Bo dominates two inferior opponents.

197 - Nice job by Cutch obviously giving up size against two tough opponents. He's clearly an AA talent wise at this weight, just needs to add some size. Both matches was superior on his feet, scored early TD and then kind of kept himself out of danger for the most part the rest of the match. He's going to have some difficulties riding at this weight, just needs to keep developing confidence in his low shot against the big guys.

285 - Nick looked good against Butler. Probably didn't need to take that last shot in the 3rd which can be dangerous against the big guys. He's got a lot of tools from his feet and on top - just needs to keep adding good muscle.

125 - Nick looked good, controlled Schram. One thing I've got to say is that I wish Schram would have wrestled him to get a better idea of how good Nick is. Schram did not take one step forward, seemed content to just give Nick the match. Pretty pathetic performance by him, wasn't much more Nick could do. I'm not sure how he only gave up 1 stalling point.

133 - Cortez not tested - Army kid was the closest to a solid opponent but got overwhelmed on bottom. Obviously he's a monster on top. Can't really tell how he's going to fare on his feet against top opponents. Looked kind of tentative against Army, much better against Stanford, but again the quality of opponent doesn't tell you much.

141 - Not bad for Jimmy. Obviously, McKenna is going to be an issue for him on top which is a problem. But in neutral he looked much better than last year. Didn't finish that shot in the 2nd, but that call could have gone either way - for an instant he was behind and McKenna on the mat. Poor mat awareness giving up the 2NF - looked like he relaxed as they were going OOB. McKenna scored early and then basically went into retreat the rest of the match. Not that I blame him - good strategy. But JG can go on his feet with him. Also looked very good in neutral against a tough kid from Army.

149 - Can't wait to see some of the stills of the Stanford kids face as Zain was working on the pin. He's just a treat.

157 - Nolf is a beast. The Stanford kid is pretty good and he just broke him.

Cenzo will never lose to that kid again !!!!

 

[tikk10]

Just watched Nolf's match. Yikes. He looks stronger this year, bigger through the shoulders. He also looks meaner, like his goal is to make you apologize for thinking you deserve to be out there on the mat with him. And Fox is a good wrestler. By the third I just felt bad for him, like he was stuck in the middle of a busy highway, unable to get to safety on the side of the road.

 

[dicemen99]

- Didn't really see much difference in the Gulibov-Mckenna match from last season. Jimmy gives up a blast double early (something that happened too often last year) and then gets ridden like a pony. McKenna was in complete control the entire match. McKenna is obviously very tough, and it's early, but I just don't see that Gulibon is that close to the top guys at 141.

I don't see Jimmy being that close to the top 3 or 4 either, but I was encouraged by his work in neutral this weekend. I guess it's just about expectations. I'm not expecting him to win a NC, but if he wrestles well in neutral he can AA and fairly high. There are about 3 or 4 kids he absolutely can't afford to give up a first period TD to, McKenna being one of them. But his work in neutral is good enough that he may be able to steal a match from one of the top guys. At least this weekend. Finishes were much better. As I pointed out above, he was a bang-bang call away from a TD in the 2nd (live, I thought he had it - will have to look at it again). And he got a TD in the 3rd. His bottom work cost him the match. He needs to stay off bottom in the first against guys like this. At this point that is not going to change.

 

[Jtownsteel]

Geno looked very good. I actually hope the PA boy keeps the spot. It's almost weird watching Nolf wrestle a match. He's down at one point, tied later on and you're never worried that he might get upset. I'm almost to the point of thinking he's treating matches as a time to work on some things...like it's just drillin'... and then when he feels he has just enough time to work on getting the team its points he turns it on.

 

[KidNittany]

Just watched Nolf's match. Yikes. He looks stronger this year, bigger through the shoulders. He also looks meaner, like his goal is to make you apologize for thinking you deserve to be out there on the mat with him. And Fox is a good wrestler. By the third I just felt bad for him, like he was stuck in the middle of a busy highway, unable to get to safety on the side of the road.

Nolf is probably my favorite guy to watch on this team. Zain's technique is just so great but Nolf goes out looking to beat the you know what out of you. I love it.

Wrestling Zain, you're going to get corkscrewed and it's gonna hurt a bit.
Wrestling Jason, you're not getting up until 11 AM tomorrow morning.

 

[dunkej01]

Geno looked very good. I actually hope the PA boy keeps the spot. It's almost weird watching Nolf wrestle a match. He's down at one point, tied later on and you're never worried that he might get upset. I'm almost to the point of thinking he's treating matches as a time to work on some things...like it's just drillin'... and then when he feels he has just enough time to work on getting the team its points he turns it on.

I thought morelli wrestled a very tactical match. He knows who he is and it wins him more than he loses. But i just kept thinking about the isaac jordan match. geno making D6 proud now that he scrubbed the sPitt out of his mouth.

 

[Used2BEerie]

I thought morelli wrestled a very tactical match. He knows who he is and it wins him more than he loses. But i just kept thinking about the isaac jordan match. geno making D6 proud now that he scrubbed the sPitt out of his mouth.

Making D9 proud too!

 

[a_mshaffer]

I thought morelli wrestled a very tactical match. He knows who he is and it wins him more than he loses. But i just kept thinking about the isaac jordan match. geno making D6 proud now that he scrubbed the sPitt out of his mouth.

thought Duboise was district IX?

 

[El-Jefe]

Nick moved forward All.the.time.

Got to hand it to him as he didnt compromise position for a wild shot as the moment grew. A freshman, in his first match, crowd roaring, got the #4 guy and he never lost composure. nerves of steel to me.

Im not sure if the guy near me was Schram relation, but if it was, they were taken back by his lack of offense. made the comment he was waiting for the freshman to make a mistake. didnt happen.

big big things for the freshman this year and I think he has the mindset to compartmentalize it appropriately.

Taking nothing away from Suriano -- Schram looked absolutely awful on bottom for the last 30 sec or so. As in, spent more time grimacing than wrestling. Maybe Nick broke him with that ride, but that wasn't anything devastating, just a good, solid, determined ride. Shouldn't be enough to make an All-American stop like that. If someone told me the match started at 165 because Schram was the one having difficulty with the cut, it wouldn't shock me after seeing that.

Nick wrestled exactly the match that Schram gave to him. Was the aggressor for the entire 7 minutes yet stayed disciplined throughout. That was the kind of match you have to win to make the national finals, and he just dominated it in November.

 

[dunkej01]

Making D9 proud too!

That took longer than I thought it would. Thought it would have been one of the D6 guys first.

 

[Jtownsteel]

That took longer than I thought it would. Thought it would have been one of the D6 guys first.

I didn't even think about it since Johnstown and Dubois just played each other in a district playoff game in football. But then I thought, don't D9 and D6 combine for playoffs.

 

[El-Jefe]

that headlock was beautiful. credit where credit is due.

Cenzo down 12-1, finished the remaining 5+ min 11-6 and kept it to a dec by pushing pace, right till the end. I think he let the kid into his legs a little easy which drained the time in the match and I think that was by design after the big lead. sucks to loose, but in coach speak, I think we learned more in the loss, then we would have in a win.

A lot of guys would've quit or coasted down 12-1. Cenzo kept coming and coming and coming, all the way to the final whistle. The drive and competitiveness are there. The tactics will get worked out. He's wrestling wide open like Jason, unafraid to give up a score, just gotta work on those negative scores being 2 instead of 6.

 

[Jtownsteel]

A lot of guys would've quit or coasted down 12-1. Cenzo kept coming and coming and coming, all the way to the final whistle. The drive and competitiveness are there. The tactics will get worked out. He's wrestling wide open like Jason, unafraid to give up a score, just gotta work on those negative scores being 2 instead of 6.

Yeah...I feel pretty good about the way he wrestled. I thought he had backs that was missed as well.

 

[El-Jefe]

After 2 matches, Cortez on top looks so much like Chris Fleeger -- with some Bobby Crawford and Eric Hess thrown in -- that I wonder if he didn't spend his entire offseason training in District 4.

 

[El-Jefe]

I thought morelli wrestled a very tactical match. He knows who he is and it wins him more than he loses. But i just kept thinking about the isaac jordan match. geno making D6 proud now that he scrubbed the sPitt out of his mouth.

 

[goethe14]

Anyone have any idea why Morelli is not interested in even trying to ride? I don't remember him doing this last year so quickly.

 

[fen103]

I was surprised he didn't ride Wilson a little bit longer too. Morelli has a great crab ride.

 

[Grass]

Cenzo likes to kind of horse guys around and he was up against a guy today that spent his last three seasons up at 174 (redshirt, frosh, and soph)...the kid was strong as an ox and he had some decent hips so it cost him.

Good learning experience for Cenzo today, inexpensive early lesson that oughtta do him well down the line.

I can't wait to watch him in action again!

I agree. I was at the Stanford match last year and I thought Subjeck was huge last year at 174. I can't believe he is wrestling 165 this year. I even remember commenting to my friends at the match that if you went by appearance alone Subjeck would beat Bo Nickal. That kid is jacked. Cenzo also expended a lot of energy in the second period trying to make a come back. He was a little fatigued in the 3rd (as was Subjeck). He will be fine. Not worried about him in the slightest.

 

[nitlion6]

Yeah...I feel pretty good about the way he wrestled. I thought he had backs that was missed as well.

Yeah I was pretty certain he had 4 and was surprised they did not expend the video challenge.

I made the comment right after the non back point call, "can't really get pissed. Nate (referee) likes to set the bar as close to bad as he can so he won't ever disappoint."

 

[nitlion6]

Anyone have any idea why Morelli is not interested in even trying to ride? I don't remember him doing this last year so quickly.

Yeah I would like to see him at least make the kid work to get out. I don't know if I would say he has a great crab ride. Most of the time last year when he would try it against anybody any good he generally got into trouble.

 

[AgSurfer]

A few comments and observations.

Schram wrestles a lot like Chris Perry did. He very rarely seems to initiate anything on his feet. However, he actually does have some good takedown skills when he decides to use them. I saw him nail the Boise State guy last year with a blast double that would have impressed Jordan Burroughs.

Also, maybe it's just my imagination, but Suriano looks just like Nico when he's on the mat. That's definitely a good thing!

The McKenna vs Gulibon match was almost an exact repeat of last year. McKenna caught Jimmy a little flat footed right at the beginning of the match with a double leg takedown and Jimmy just could not score. He at least got the last second takedown this time.

Subjeck tried to throw Bo twice with a head and arm last year but Bo slipped both of them. That must be one of his go to moves.

It looked to me like better conditioning helped our guys a lot. Even the Stanford guys who won seemed to slow down in the third.

It's good to see Nevills go out and really wrestle. I think he is going to get a lot better with a full year of competition.

Last but not least, the Big Ten football standings are getting VERY interesting!

 

[diggerpup]

I was surprised PSU staff didn't challenge the non-4NF by Cenzo.

 

[SRATH]

Yeah I was pretty certain he had 4 and was surprised they did not expend the video challenge.

I made the comment right after the non back point call, "can't really get pissed. Nate (referee) likes to set the bar as close to bad as he can so he won't ever disappoint."

Was it my imagination but did the ref appear to be out of position to make just about any of the back points or pins. Not that I would want that job and many of the situations happened pretty quick.

 

[RoarLions1]

My thoughts on the ref were different. Know his reputation, and my opinion is he did a good job yesterday. Might've missed some back points in Cenzo's bout, but I haven't 're-seen" it yet. Other than that, no complaints from me.

 

[PSU Mike]

What "I gots to know" is whether as a child Jason Nolf played with his food for 6 minutes before scooping the entire plate into a single mouthful, and swallowing it whole.