PSU leads #2 Fla 8-7 at the half in women lax in NCAA second round
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PSU wins 14-13 on a breakaway in the second OT. They advance to the Elite Eight against Penn.
When and where do they
Next game is at home on Saturday, per gopsusports.com.
Florida thought they had the game winner when they held the ball for the last seven minutes of regulation they took this shot with six second left that was ruled a no goal.
Inside Lacrosse has a video of the play at the end of regulation that was ruled no goal, and a poll for folks to vote whether they think it's a goal or not a goal.
Keep in mind that the rule is:
"A goal is scored by the whole ball passing completely over the goal line, between the posts, and under the crossbar from in front, having been propelled by the legal crosse of an attacking player, or the crosse or person of a defending player before time expires."
You can view the video, and vote in the poll, at THIS LINK.
Keep in mind that the rule is:
"A goal is scored by the whole ball passing completely over the goal line, between the posts, and under the crossbar from in front, having been propelled by the legal crosse of an attacking player, or the crosse or person of a defending player before time expires."
You can view the video, and vote in the poll, at THIS LINK.
Half of the US National Field Hockey team, specifically 13 of 25, are from PA. But the real disappointment is that exactly zero of them played for Penn State. Given the high quality of field hockey play in Pennsylvania, it's kind of disappointing that we don't do better with our FH recruiting.
I voted "Too close to call"....it's really difficult to see clearly whether the ball is across or not. Although if you forced me to pick one or the other I'd say it looks more like a goal than not a goal.
I don't know anything about lacrosse so what's the deal with the goal scorer throwing their stick to the ground after the goal?
PSU does have one girl on the team. In 10 years they will have another, but this time in goal
If the pocket of the crosse is really deep, the shooter gets a real advantage. As such, there has been an on-going cat-and-mouse game between the writers of the rules (US Lacrosse), refs and the attack players regarding the depth of the pocket.
The current rules for stick checks in college are:
1. before the game, the depth of the pocket of 5 random sticks on each team is checked by the refs (in the old days, before the start of the game all sticks were checked by the refs. That's how it's still done in high school)
2. during the game, a coach can request 3 specific stick checks. When a request is made all players drop their sticks, and the stick of the player identified by the opposing coach is checked. If the stick passes, the team requesting the check has only 2 coach requested stick checks left. If the stick identified fails the check, it is removed from the field, the player gets a replacement stick (which is also checked), and the team that requested the check gets the ball
3. after every goal, the lady that scored the goal must immediately drop her stick, and the refs must check this stick (previously, all the offensive players would drop their sticks and celebrate, but if the ref could not determine which stick belonged to the scorer, then the goal was disallowed, so now only the scorer drops their stick)
In the cat-and-mouse game that I alluded to above, the attackers want a deep pocket so that they can get more speed on their shot. In the old days (and still in high school), those that scored would often be pulling on their strings right away, just in case a stick check was requested. Previously in college, the stick of the scoring player was not automatically checked. The coaches could request more checks, so it was not uncommon to have a delay after quite a few scores (especially in close games). Since the attack players could adjust their strings after the goal but before the stick check, a number of players would score with illegal sticks, but not get caught.
The current rules in college regarding the immediate dropping of the stick by the scorer and the automatic check of that stick by the refs seem to be working very well.
Not a bad vote. The camera angle was not ideal for deciding whether or not it was a goal.
If the ball had continued rolling, there's no question it would have been a goal by Florida. However, the ball stopped rolling. Whether it did so before the entire ball crossed the line is really tough to tell. I voted No, because I never saw any space between the ball and the line.
Certainly was a tough call for the ref.
Lmao Tom. That is kind of what my response to the question was.
Here is a funny story from a game I was coaching last week;
Our team was down 10-5. There was 3 min left. I had to have 7 U13's play in a U15 game. Our girl scores a goal. The other coach challenges the goal because we had 2 girls wearing the same number. The ref laughed, allowed the goal, but gave possession to the other team after the goal.
Towson beat defending National Champion Denver 10-9 on Sunday on Denver's home field. John Hopkins men's team was stomped by Brown 17-8 and the JHU women lost to Maryland. Maryland women are the top ranked team and Maryland men are still alive.
I think that is a great call by the officials. A couple other questions come up. Did the field player make contact with the ball or was it just the goalie's hand the pulled the ball back? The field players are allowed in the goal circle but may only prevent a rolling ball from crossing the goal line when she's out of the circle. Also, the officials definitely missed a shooting space violation prior to the shot. The defender that ended up with the ball after the shot was clearly in the shooting lane and not within a sticks length when the Florida player started her attempt to shoot.
NCAA RULE 6 / FOULS 47 Goal Circle Fouls
e. When the goalkeeper is not within the goal circle, her teammate may go into the goal to prevent a rolling ball from crossing the goal line.
NCAA RULE 6 / FOULS 47 Goal Circle Fouls
e. When the goalkeeper is not within the goal circle, her teammate may go into the goal to prevent a rolling ball from crossing the goal line.
That is a good question, and one I had thought about when I first saw the video. IMHO, Emi (the goalie) hits the ball with her glove, and causes it to roll away from the goal line. Just after that Amy Smucker (#12)'s crosse goes over the ball and swipes at it. It's unclear if her crosse touches the ball. However, since the ball was moving away from the goal line at the time, I believe it would have been OK for Amy's crosse to touch the ball.
I wouldn't say "definitely missed a shooting space violation." Could shooting space have been called? It appears so. If it was called, would it have been controversial? Yes. First, I don't think you call something with 11 sec left in a tie game unless it's clear cut, and IMHO it's not all that clear that Smucker commits a violation. The camera appears to be to the left of the shooter, so the angle it shows accents any potential shooting space violation. Second, it would have had to have been called by the B official (trail), as the A official was below the goal line extended and watching ball. The trail official would have been focused on the shooter's space, and the closest defender to her, who I believe was Lucy Haubold (#22), and she was not violating the shooting space. Third, if Smucker was violating shooting space, it was at most just a part of her body, and that happens on about 1/3 of the goals in college. Again, I think it has to be more clear cut to call, and especially at that time in the match and at that score.
Good observations, and good questions.
While Amanda DiNunzio is expected to sign a contract to join the team in September (after the Olympics), she is not on the current national team roster.
