South Carolina would be the 5th best team in the Big Ten, at worst.
And you are killing LSU for losing to USC. We beat them by converting 2 late 4th downs and having them miss a kick in overtime.
What 12 Teams are better in record and on field play than PSU this year?
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And you are killing LSU for losing to USC. We beat them by converting 2 late 4th downs and having them miss a kick in overtime.
Compared to the rest of the shitty teams in the Big Ten, yes.
They've only beat A&M this year and A&M always flops
Maybe they'd be 5th--Illinois, Minnesota or Wisconsin vs South Carolina would be close IMO
Maybe if they had Indiana's schedule, sure.
Winning matters doesn't it? I'm not killing LSU. I'm just saying LSU doesn't get to lose 3 games and claim a better resume when we have 2 specific data point vs them in our favor.
You make a lot of excuses for everybody else. I haven't seen you make a single one for PSU.
I'd like to be able to, but I can't. The schedule is ridiculously easy this year. There is one ranked opponent on the entire schedule, and you get them at home. With a 12 team playoff, yes, you can lose that and still get in. But you can't lose to anyone else on this schedule.
SOS of some of the teams you've compared
Penn State 28
Washington State 92
Miami 46
Indiana 103
SMU 71
Notre Dame 75
BYU 61
Iowa State 83
This matters
The SEC is elite but the Big Ten is incredibly high as well
I can generate make believe numbers that compare schedule strength too. These numbers mean less than nothing.
I'd like to have seen the source of the #s, but to say they mean nothing is simply choosing which info supports your stance and ignoring info that hurts it. Beginning to believe I know which side you are on now.
NIU beat Bowling Green a good bit easier than PSU did...
Source
2024 Resume College Football Power Index - ESPN
View the 2024 Resume College Football power index on ESPN. The FPI is the best predictor of a team's performance of the season.
Your wonderful ESPN Football Power Index has OSU ranked #2.....5 spots ahead of Oregon. But yes, it's great!Source
You can use any you like though--they're all pretty even2024 Resume College Football Power Index - ESPN
View the 2024 Resume College Football power index on ESPN. The FPI is the best predictor of a team's performance of the season.www.espn.com
Really? I was under the impression they were losing to BG until the 4th quarter.
Because they were.
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You can use any you like though--they're all pretty even2024 Resume College Football Power Index - ESPN
View the 2024 Resume College Football power index on ESPN. The FPI is the best predictor of a team's performance of the season.
It's his response that is bothersome. "SoS means nothing, it's just numbers." But his own personal "3 loss SEC teams have better resumes" is the end all, be all.
Wazzou. Lol they would have been lucky to get in at 12-0. You can't lose to Boise by 3 TDs and make the playoff. You would have to be insane to believe such. Or just riling people up.
Sure. Illinois was ranked when we played them. If we are going by end of season rankings, then nobody can claim it yet.
You don't get it both ways.
Personally, I like to look at the end of season for that measurement, but we can't do that today.
Our schedule is 1 top 5 team and about 4 more who will end up 20-40 by season's end, exactly what we said it was in the beginning.
Would you like to talk about Wazzou and their 7 games vs 75th and worse teams?
Just so we're clear, we have people believing that a 2-loss PSU (with no ranked wins) is without question in over a 1-loss Washington State, but a 3-loss SEC team has no chance of getting in over a 2-loss PSU?
USC is 4-5 including a loss to Maryland
Wisconsin is 5-4 after getting beat by 32 pts to Iowa.
Yes Iowa is a better win than Wisconsin. Our best win (if it happens) might be against Minnesota who could be 7-3 if they beat Wisconsin on Saturday.
I don't think 3 loss teams would get in ahead of a 2 loss PSU team. I think we'd have trouble getting in ahead of other 2 loss teams with better strength of schedule.
As I have said, until the season plays out, it's impossible to say today on all accounts.
I have zero concern for a 1 loss Wazzou with no quality games left to boost them. The only team they threaten is Boise and Boise probably gets in over them with 2 losses because of h2h. They are fighting for 1 spot. There is no universe where both get in. Zero point zero percent chance that happens.
The SEC will depend on the teams. Bama at 3 losses is dangerous. The others, not nearly as much. Present a scenario. I'll walk through it and give my opinion. That's all I can do.
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Georgia might have a shot with 3 losses if one is in the CCG but they could get in over most teams--that's not a Penn State issue
A 2 loss Penn State is never compared to an 11-1 Wazzu team
Georgia might have a shot with 3 losses if one is in the CCG but they could get in over most teams--that's not a Penn State issue
I'm not sure what you need explained there--you don't have to beat a team to be ranked higher than them
This is projecting who wins if they play again on a neutral field--I think most people would say Ohio State given a 1 point road loss
a few things...
- PSU traveled to USC. USC traveled to Wisconsin Those trips are significant in college ball. In the NFL, teams fly out days early and adjust. Someone will do a report at the end of the year but you can see the travel is having a significant impact.
- USC collapsed after our win. We broke USC's back after they played so poorly AT Minnesota.
- Wisconsin is a good team but their DL was getting killed by Iowa. Wiscy gave up 330 yards rushing while giving up less than 100 passing. The fact is, Iowa just ran it down their throats.
- Wiscy had to play PSU at night in a very physical game, then travel to Iowa.
- Wiscy got down early and then had to pass. They then threw two interceptions.
Wazzu would have a better resume. Take the brand names out of it, and Wazzu would deserve it more than PSU.
No they wouldn't. Wazzou played a bunch of 75 and worse rated teams. If you think they have a better resume, you must think the Big 10 is worse than the Big 12 and ACC.
Write out the opponents. It would be easily spelled out for you. Are you trolling here? The Wazzou love fest is kind of insane.
This is no better than 1969 or 1994. I can’t believe we can argue about 3 loss teams getting a shot at the national championship. This thread provides a good road map for why a 12 team playoff is too many. Ridiculous that teams have to worry about who they scheduled 8 years ago or the random number generator that sets up their conference opponents.
Also, the conferences are too large. They need to figure out how to make 8 conferences with the champions of each in a playoff.
Also, the conferences are too large. They need to figure out how to make 8 conferences with the champions of each in a playoff.
Portland State--they stink. About on par with Kent State.
Texas Tech--as good as anyone PSU has beaten. Just beat undefeated Iowa State (who beat Iowa).
Washington--also on PSU's schedule. Did they stink then, and are good now?
San Jose State--not as bad as you think. On par with Wisconsin.
Boise State--playoff team. Argument can be made that they are the second best team in the country.
Fresno State--run of the mill. On par with UCLA.
Hawaii--stink. Kind of like Bowling Green.
San Diego State--another run of the mill team like WVU.
Remaining teams are Utah State, New Mexico, Oregon State, Wyoming. Not unlike playing Maryland, Purdue. I'd say Minnesota is better than any of those teams, but let's not act like it's a huge step up. It's Minnesota.
So there you have it on schedules. About on par with PSU's. A little easier. Not sure how you can argue that. Southern Cal and Illinois probably a bit better than anyone on there except Texas Tech, who I'd say is about even. I'd say PSU's strength of victory might slightly overtake Wash State.
So if we are comparing a 1 loss WSU vs. a 2 loss PSU, I'd say it is very close. Would side with the team with only 1 loss when there are no high quality victories.
You greatly over value the Wazzou schedule. Completely disagree on it probably at every point you made minus Washington, who is Washington and we play this week. That data point settles itself in a couple days.
Boise having an argument for #2 in the country is absurd, but it further destroys your argument: they lost by 21. We lost to a team that is possibly the #2 by 7.
Trying to say San Jose is on par with Wisconsin is a choice, but I can see that you have your view and I have mine.
You will be greatly disappointed when Wazzou doesn't make the playoff. They have 0 chance.
I don't think WSU will make it. PSU should win out, though Franklin's history of games following a loss makes that far from a certainty. I think the only 2-loss team WSU would have an argument to get in over (among playoff contending teams) is PSU due to their weak schedule and lack of quality wins. And Indiana if they end up losing to OSU and Michigan. A 3-loss SEC team or two may deserve to get in over a 1-loss WSU depending on how things shake out.
And outside of their fan base, nobody is going to make that argument for Wazzou. There is not enough chaos to get them in range. They don't get the transitive victory over ISU and a 21 pt loss to Boise is brutal. Their remaining opponents are 11-23 and NONE are even P4 teams.
That's a terrible schedule. The rest of it looks the same outside of 3 games. As Washington, USC, and UCLA has proved, the Big 10 is a multitude harder than the Pac 12 was. And Wazzou isn't playing something remotely as tough as a Pac 12 schedule.
In 2 years there will at least me 14 teams
Why would anyone ever agree to 8 conf champs and no at large bids?
This isn't fantasy
The SEC and Big Ten want 4 auto bids and they'll get it.
Deserve it????? When the hell did deserve it and college football ever go together? You and Lando should get a room.
"this year?" Can't answer that until the season ends.
Right now there aren't 12. One more loss, to Washington or Minny, and there will likely be a few more than 12.
Pretty simple: Sudden Death from here on out. 3 runs up the middle vs Washington and James can focus on the portal....
Right now there aren't 12. One more loss, to Washington or Minny, and there will likely be a few more than 12.
Pretty simple: Sudden Death from here on out. 3 runs up the middle vs Washington and James can focus on the portal....
Two straight years of a below OSU standard at QB and we lose. That was our opportunity. Now they have a highly regarded young guy for next year and beating us should be no prob.
