Notre Dame won at Texas A&M and beat Louisville, which are two way, way more impressive wins than anything PSU has. So maybe you should just sit a couple of plays out.
What 12 Teams are better in record and on field play than PSU this year?
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Who has Miami beat? Who has Indiana beat? Who?
Ohio State wasn't out with 2 losses to what would have been two top 3 (likely 2) teams in the country
Why does no one here seem to comprehend what a 12 team playoff is?
Penn State isn't a quality win but everyone else beats anyone and they're great.
You are being emotional to us losing a game we were supposed to lose.
The only thing that really matters for teams in big conferences is the final record. Oregon has had a shit schedule except for one game.
As I said, every team in the B1G is good with the exception of Purdue. You've got to bring it every week for a conference game. And teams go up and down. I'd argue WVU was a good team to start the season but has been decimated. USC is the same. I've also noticed that west coast teams have played well at home but suck on the road. That travel, with the limited college time between games, has had an effect. On the other hand, Indiana is playing way over their heads but has not played a really good team yet.
Louisville is garbage and A&M just lost by 24 to USCe. Neither are impressive wins just like we dont have any. They need wins to offset a loss to a MAC team. Find that win. A&M losing hurt them a ton.
Maybe you should relax for once and admit you're wrong
Oregon has 2 top 15 wins...
WVU is better now that Greene is out. See their last game. WVU is garbage.
USC quit
Travel has no impact. See Oregon at Michigan and a horrible UCLA at Nebraksa
Stop....everyone Stop the insanity.
That's the biggest problem as we all can see. Ohio State has exposed PSU's offensive inadequacies to the next 4 teams we play. PSU has NO credible offensive threats at this point in the season besides Warren. Singleton is not explosive, Allen is tough but slow, NONE of the WR's have caught a TD in the first 5 B1G games and the one real threat, Warren, can only do so much on his own. Teams now just have to play tight D on the WR's because penalties aren't being called as much this season and crowd the LOS to stop the RB's. The Defense is going to have to win the rest of the games for us if we are, in fact, the team that showed up in the OSU game.
So we should tell them no thanks we'll sit this one out when the tell us we are in - strange position arguing like hell how much we suck as a fan.
We are most likely a 5-12 type of team. The issue is, you don't seem to recognize the gap between the top 4 and the rest of cfb. While we aren't in the top 4 today, you still don't seem to recognize the difference in talent with other teams either if you think we are #15 today.
I don't like that we lost Saturday, but getting beat thoroughly by a focused $20 mil Buckeye team doesn't shift us all the way out of the top 10 in any universe.
This Buckeye team doesn't have the same quality of offense as the Stroud/Fields years, but the defense is light-years better. The offense has excellent weapons.
I'm curious what top 10 teams you think would have beaten them.
We've seen the inadequacies since Fleming was the only WR we brought in while letting KLS leave. This wasn't a new revelation from Saturday. The Buckeyes are probably the only team on our schedule who could expose it to the degree they did. That was the difference.
You make a good point but I don't think tOSU played us any different than Ill or Wisconsin. They just had better talent.
Washington has one of the best pass defenses in all of college football. But their run D isn't that good.
For example, I was shocked USC abandoned the running game against W. They averaged 5.7 yards per carry but only ran the ball 29 times. They passed the ball FIFTY TIMES! And it isn't like they were playing catch up. They were leading by 1 going into Q4 and didn't trail by more than five in the final quarter. USC had THREE interceptions. Riley is just pass happy I guess.
Ya and they lost to northern illinois who are 1-3 in the MAC
With 2 losses, PSU is clearly the #4 Big Ten team. So then the question becomes, does the Big Ten get 4 teams in the playoff?
SEC champ, Big Ten champ, ACC champ, Big 12 champ, group of 5 are all in. That is 5 spots down.
The other 2 Big Ten teams ahead of us would be in. 7 spots are gone.
Whoever wins the SEC, you have to expect at least 2 other SEC teams are in. 9 spots are gone.
Notre Dame is in if it wins out. It is possible they get in ahead of PSU even if they lose one. 10 spots are gone.
The only way the Big Ten gets 4 teams in is if the SEC gets 4 in. They are the better conference this year. 11 spots are gone.
ONE SPOT LEFT
Is it the 4th Big Ten team (Penn State)? Is it a 5th SEC team (Georgia, Texas, Alabama, Tennessee, Ole Miss, LSU, Texas A&M all would have arguments).
Non-ACC champ could get in. Especially if an undefeated Miami loses the ACC championship game.
Non-Big 12 champ could get in. BYU/Iowa State.
Washington State could end up 11-1.
Looks to me like a 2 loss Penn State team is going to be out.
SEC champ, Big Ten champ, ACC champ, Big 12 champ, group of 5 are all in. That is 5 spots down.
The other 2 Big Ten teams ahead of us would be in. 7 spots are gone.
Whoever wins the SEC, you have to expect at least 2 other SEC teams are in. 9 spots are gone.
Notre Dame is in if it wins out. It is possible they get in ahead of PSU even if they lose one. 10 spots are gone.
The only way the Big Ten gets 4 teams in is if the SEC gets 4 in. They are the better conference this year. 11 spots are gone.
ONE SPOT LEFT
Is it the 4th Big Ten team (Penn State)? Is it a 5th SEC team (Georgia, Texas, Alabama, Tennessee, Ole Miss, LSU, Texas A&M all would have arguments).
Non-ACC champ could get in. Especially if an undefeated Miami loses the ACC championship game.
Non-Big 12 champ could get in. BYU/Iowa State.
Washington State could end up 11-1.
Looks to me like a 2 loss Penn State team is going to be out.
We aren't clearly the 4th team--good chance we're the 3rd team
The SEC doesn't need 4 for us to get 4 and they definitely aren't getting 5
Wazzu has no shot
Miami is the only non-Big XII/ACC champ that gets in
You're so emotional--good God
yep. but that is no surprise. no two-loss team will make the playoff unless they are GA, AL, or tOSU. They probably don't deserve it either. And if we lose again, we don't deserve a place in the playoffs IMHO.
it is all under our control. we don't need to hope for anyone else to lose. If we end 11-1, we'll be in the playoffs.
In a 12 team playoff, they're the only two loss teams
OMG--can people please learn what a 12 team playoff is
The committee isn't going to just look at win/loss record and rank teams that way like the AP poll does. It is going to look more closely at the full resume. A PSU team with 2 losses is going to have a pretty weak resume. The committee won't hesitate to rank 3-loss teams over 2-loss teams if those 3-loss teams have played tougher schedules and have better wins. The playoff committee values good wins more than it values "good" losses.
Regarding Washington's defense, their middle linebacker Bruener, who had a great game, hyperextended his knee on the last drive against USC, but played the rest of the game. I wouldn't be surprised if he's limited this week if he plays.
good catch. i was going to mention that. Kid had a great game. I think he got hurt on their second to last play. In the post game, he said he was OK.
Miami losing the ccg is the only way the ACC gets 2 teams in. Clemson dropping its 2nd game *really* hurts the leagues image.
I don't think the same thing happens with the Big 12 even if Iowa State upsets an undefeated BYU. The brands, the image, it just isn't there.
Wazzou at 11-1, who will they have beaten? Washington? They likely end up with 5 or 6 losses. They are in the running with Boise State for the G5 and Boise beat them by 3 TDs. They *ARE NOT* getting in. Period.
It's amazing that you have such faith in others and zero in our team.
He's the son of former Steeler tight end Mark Bruener.
My dad grew up in Seattle and was a Husky fan, so I've always had a little affinity for them.
Well, if you guys are saying a 2-loss PSU (with no ranked wins) gets in over these hypothetical 1-loss teams, how can you NOT see the possibility that a 2-loss PSU does NOT get in over 3-loss teams with high quality wins?
Yet you think 11-1 Wazzou has a shot at a playoff spot?
C'mon now. Apply the same strict rules to these other teams and you will find that we stack up favorably with them all.
They'd be a 1-loss team with their only loss being to a playoff team. And their win over Texas Tech is as good as any of our wins. Objectively, I'd say they'd deserve to be in over PSU.
Because the Big 10 is the #2 conference by a large margin.
Who is the 3 loss team with a high quality win? One doesn't currently exist, does it? Hypothetically, are we talking about Bama/LSU loser?
I'm not saying definitively that we are in with 2 losses, but I'm also not trying to prop up 5 others with terrible schedules just to hypothesis why we won't make it.
he had a great game against SC. 12 tackles, 2 interceptions, and 2 pass breakups
Carson Bruener, Huskies defense lead Washington to 26-21 win over USC
Carson Bruener was critical in the Washington Huskies’ 26-21 win over USC, which was characterized by standout defensive performances all over the field.
uwhuskieswire.usatoday.com
The AP/Coaches don't look at win/loss record--see the standing
You keep talking about our weak resume but can't sell a good one
Who says they value "good wins" over "good losses" when they also have very bad losses
This is what we mean about you being clueless--not objective.
Texas Tech lmao
The SEC is likely to end up with a few 3 losses teams that will all have better resumes than a 2-loss Penn State.
PSU just has to win out. If they are at all deserving of a playoff spot, that shouldn't be too hard to do.
Not so fast my friend. No one really knows what criteria the committee will use to select at-large playoff teams. There is a very real possibility that the committee will not want to start a precedent of allowing 3-loss teams into the playoff. They didn't want 2-loss teams to get into the 4-team playoff for a long time, as 2016 Penn State can attest to.
1. A 21 pt loss.
2. To a G5 playoff contender. Not a P4
3. Texas Tech is now a better win because they beat an overrated Iowa State? OK
Again, you just keep trying to elevate weak teams. Tag me when they rank Wazzou in the top 12 this week. I'll give you all the credit then.
Texas Tech lost to Baylor by 24 at home
This is you thinking they're win against an overrated Iowa State makes them good
Illinois is better
Hell WVU is better and we know what I think of WVU
And the SEC only plays 8 conference games. Most of them have another cupcake in that 4th spot.
I'm still waiting on you to tell me who these better resumes are. Bama is the only one I'd have any concern with.
Illinois might be better than Texas Tech. They also might not be. It is certainly close, which is my point. Illinois is probably PSU's best win, and will be if they finish with 2 losses. Not good!
How are they not?
Look at the entirity of the schedule--Wazzu has zero chance to even me considered. Everyone knows that--but you apparently
You're undervaluing Penn State's resume because you're upset they lost a game they were supposed to lose.
I hate the SEC, but any SEC that ends up with 3 losses will likely have a better resume than a 2-loss PSU. The SEC is better than the Big Ten this year, and PSU does not play Oregon or Indiana, Iowa, or Michigan this year. Pathetic non-conference schedule to boot.
The SEC isn't good enough to prop up all 3 loss teams. If you want to look at the schedules and go over them, sure. You have good wins, good losses, and bad losses.
Bad losses carry more weight than the others most of the time. LSU isn't escaping the USC loss, particularly when we beat them. A&M losing to South Carolina by 20+ is terrible and inexcusable and could only be salvaged by beating Texas.
