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P.S. Ohio State scored 44 pts on PSU.

They scored 41 on UGA. A shanked kick away from 44.

The problem with the premise of a great defense is that you have to have some semblance of an offense. You have to take advantage of field position, you have to burn clock and score points.

The rules just skew towards offenses and scoring.
 
Question positions are WR and DB. DB only due to losing JPJr and Tig. But Griffith sees plenty of talent, enough that he does not believe DB will have a drop off at all. And WR talent is evident, and they are competing against great secondary talent which will help them contine to develop. DiNardo believe from what he saw at the practice that PSU has solved the WR questions.

WR was a concern, but DiNardo saw lots of talent at WR during his observations "WR thing appears to be solved..."
I found these comments about the WRs interesting yet confusing. They seemed to gush over the WRs a few times with very brief comments, yet they never once elaborated or analyzed that position group in detail. I wonder if Franklin asked them not to talk about something that was practiced today, because everyone has it as a question mark for the offense but the hosts sure didn't make it sound like WR is any concern at all.
 
That's what I'd like to believe but remember who we played to close out the year:

IND 2-7
MD 4-5 (Tua played hurt)
RUT 3-6
MSU 3-6

The first half against Utah was even tied at 14-14. Utah had a pretty good offense so that's not a horrible result. I don't count the 2nd half because Rising got knocked out of the game.

P.S. Ohio State scored 44 pts on PSU. It was only 16 in the first 3 quarters until the wheels came off.
The wheels didn't come off. Clifford handed them 2, and Manny didn't help by having his 2nd unit on the field for 1.
 
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That's what I'd like to believe but remember who we played to close out the year:

IND 2-7
MD 4-5 (Tua played hurt)
RUT 3-6
MSU 3-6

The first half against Utah was even tied at 14-14. Utah had a pretty good offense so that's not a horrible result. I don't count the 2nd half because Rising got knocked out of the game.

P.S. Ohio State scored 44 pts on PSU. It was only 16 in the first 3 quarters until the wheels came off.
How many of those OSU points did clifford score? More than a few.
 
My guess is that Elsdon will get lots of PT vs UM again this year. King's emergence would be helpful. Even Rojas but I think the problem last year was strength more than athleticism and Rojas isn't fully grown.

I'd feel better if UM's yards were a couple of busted plays or if we slowed them down in the second half but that's not the case. They just ran right down our throats for 60 minutes.

You're correct that Diaz has had a long time to review tapes. His propensity is to move defenders around and keep blitzing from different positions. Maybe he'll reconsider and keep more defenders in place to stop the run instead of going for the big play. I think out DBs will have to be in single coverage if we commit to stopping the run.
If Elsdon plays a lot vs Michigan we will lose.
 
I'm surprised that no one picked up on the comment about Carter against RT and that "just wasn't fair." I'm still concerned about Wallace at RT. He just seems too heavy and slow footed on the edge. I thought after last season he'd try to get thinner to stay at RT, but now he's even heavier than last year.
 
I'm surprised that no one picked up on the comment about Carter against RT and that "just wasn't fair." I'm still concerned about Wallace at RT. He just seems too heavy and slow footed on the edge. I thought after last season he'd try to get thinner to stay at RT, but now he's even heavier than last year.
Why does a spectacular performance always get misconstrued as poor on the other end with you guys? Wallace has improved, and will be a quality right tackle. Carter is special. That's how I viewed the comment.
 
I'm surprised that no one picked up on the comment about Carter against RT and that "just wasn't fair." I'm still concerned about Wallace at RT. He just seems too heavy and slow footed on the edge. I thought after last season he'd try to get thinner to stay at RT, but now he's even heavier than last year.
Yep, that's how I thought it would play out. Wallace didn't pass block very well the last 2 years so how can he improve enough to be the best option at RT when he's even heavier.

The posted rep of Wallace doing well against Carter looks like Carter tried to bully Wallace and Wallace latched onto him and used his strength and mass to stuff him away from the QB. But can he win reps against speed rushers?

I still don't see how Shelton hasn't beat Wallace out, especially with how well Shelton played last season and the fact that Shelton thereafter had the opportunity to get stronger in the Winter and then get significant more coaching and practice last Spring and into this Fall. Wallace must be better than he was in 2022 to be hanging on to the starting RT job.

Guess we'll just have to trust Trautwein on this one and see what Wallace brings in the WVU game. To me RT is the biggest potential problem on the team. The OL can be great if PSU gets above average RT play and Nourzad does well at Center. I'd hate to see Trautwein and Franklin keep Wallace in the starting lineup if he's not pass protecting well, and I don't believe they will with some options to go to if he struggles under the lights like he did most of last season.
 
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Wallace must be better than he was in 2022 to be hanging on to the starting RT job.
Reading between the lines, I think Shelton just moves better at LT than RT.

To me RT is the biggest potential problem on the team. The OL can be great if PSU gets above average RT play and Nourzad does well at Center. I'd hate to see Trautwein and Franklin keep Wallace in the starting lineup if he's not pass protecting well, and I don't believe they will with some options to go to if he struggles under the lights like he did most of last season.

As much as they played Effner last year, I don't think we should have any concerns about Wallace staying in the lineup if he plays poorly.

Let's go ahead and wait until West Virginia. Then we can come back to this post.

Nothing to come back to. I just wanted information that was said. Be it what they saw or a prediction based upon the visit.
 
Reading between the lines, I think Shelton just moves better at LT than RT.



As much as they played Effner last year, I don't think we should have any concerns about Wallace staying in the lineup if he plays poorly.



Nothing to come back to. I just wanted information that was said. Be it what they saw or a prediction based upon the visit.
The word is Kobe has jumped levels.
 
They certainly weren't able to make half time adjustments to stop it last year. It seems to me that if the problem was alignment or scheme they should have been able to make adjustments.

I'm trying to think what's different personnel wise this year. The LBs are the same (Jacobs, Carter, Elsdon). I think we'll have a good secondary but probably not as good as last year (Jayir Brown was our leading tackler vs UM last year). The DL loses Mustipher. So what's better personnel wise except that some kids have more experience? The game is at Beaver Stadium so maybe we come out with more energy but UM returns most of it's offense from last year.
Good points. Carter will be a lot better for one going from a true frosh who was pretty green but a lot of potential to now one of the best LBs in the league with a whole season and off season of experience. Jacobs will be better as well. More experience. These two will play better, take better angles and not get steamrolled out of the pIays. I am a bit concerned about how Kobe King and Elsdon will hold up in the middle.

On the D line we obviously need to see vast improvement in our 2 deep, Beamon Elies, van den Berg and Durant. Certainly for this game but a key for the entire season. We have a lot of quickness with these four so hopefully we take advantage of that to beat their man and get in the backfield. Maybe Alonzo Ford sees some good snaps since he is a run stopping specialist and that is why we snagged him from ODU.

Our DEs are really good to elite with Issac, Chop and DDS so they need to crash the middle while also holding the edge. I think this position is a significant upgrade from where we were when we played Michigan last year.

Diaz has another year under his belt to mold the D and scout the opposition. Don't underestimate this fact.

Finally, as you reference, the game is at the Beav with a raucous crowd and we want revenge. Big intangibles in our favor. Big, Big game.
 
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The word is Kobe has jumped levels.

I hope so. That's what we need vs Michigan. For King (or somebody) to make the middle stop at 2 yards or less consistently.

A full time Carter in the box and Jacobs outside plays to our strengths now. We just had not developed that yet last year.
 
Reading between the lines, I think Shelton just moves better at LT than RT.



As much as they played Effner last year, I don't think we should have any concerns about Wallace staying in the lineup if he plays poorly.



Nothing to come back to. I just wanted information that was said. Be it what they saw or a prediction based upon the visit.
It does seem that Shelton plays well at LT. Probably will see him there as the starter in 2024 regardless of how the OT positions play out in 2023.
 
They certainly weren't able to make half time adjustments to stop it last year. It seems to me that if the problem was alignment or scheme they should have been able to make adjustments.

I'm trying to think what's different personnel wise this year. The LBs are the same (Jacobs, Carter, Elsdon). I think we'll have a good secondary but probably not as good as last year (Jayir Brown was our leading tackler vs UM last year). The DL loses Mustipher. So what's better personnel wise except that some kids have more experience? The game is at Beaver Stadium so maybe we come out with more energy but UM returns most of it's offense from last year.
Just do what mighty TCU did.
 
That's what I'd like to believe but remember who we played to close out the year:

IND 2-7
MD 4-5 (Tua played hurt)
RUT 3-6
MSU 3-6

The first half against Utah was even tied at 14-14. Utah had a pretty good offense so that's not a horrible result. I don't count the 2nd half because Rising got knocked out of the game.

P.S. Ohio State scored 44 pts on PSU. It was only 16 in the first 3 quarters until the wheels came off.
OSU had the DE play the game of his life against our 2nd string tackle. That hurt big time.

Utah is smash mouth with Wittingham and Rising runs like a RB so they were going to have success. It's not like the Michigan game where they were just running all over us. I hope you don't think we lose that game if Rising didn't get hurt.
 
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I found these comments about the WRs interesting yet confusing. They seemed to gush over the WRs a few times with very brief comments, yet they never once elaborated or analyzed that position group in detail. I wonder if Franklin asked them not to talk about something that was practiced today, because everyone has it as a question mark for the offense but the hosts sure didn't make it sound like WR is any concern at all.
No mention of Cephas by Yurcich. He mentioned like 4 or 5 guys even the other transfer, McClain, but not him. I thought that was strange especially if he could challenge KLS for the #1 WR role.
 
They announced he was the starter? Didn't see it in the reports. I've yet to watch. Just read here.
No but there was almost no conversation about anyone at QB other than Allar. They even had an interview segment with Allar on Bar stools.
 
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I agree that depth might be better but UM probably got bigger and stronger too. They're ranked #2 for a reason. I saw Harbaugh say that 20 of his players could go in the draft. Assume that's bluster and "only" 12 are selected, that's still a huge number.

I can't imagine that we'll give up another 400+ yards rushing but they'll be tough to beat if they run for 250 yds. Personally I think we have a better chance to beat OSU even if the game is on the road.
Not that the team dos’nt know this but against that team from that state get a lead and force them out of running the ball.
The Illini game should be an indicater of PSU ability to stop the run.
 
Yep, that's how I thought it would play out. Wallace didn't pass block very well the last 2 years so how can he improve enough to be the best option at RT when he's even heavier.

The posted rep of Wallace doing well against Carter looks like Carter tried to bully Wallace and Wallace latched onto him and used his strength and mass to stuff him away from the QB. But can he win reps against speed rushers?

I still don't see how Shelton hasn't beat Wallace out, especially with how well Shelton played last season and the fact that Shelton thereafter had the opportunity to get stronger in the Winter and then get significant more coaching and practice last Spring and into this Fall. Wallace must be better than he was in 2022 to be hanging on to the starting RT job.

Guess we'll just have to trust Trautwein on this one and see what Wallace brings in the WVU game. To me RT is the biggest potential problem on the team. The OL can be great if PSU gets above average RT play and Nourzad does well at Center. I'd hate to see Trautwein and Franklin keep Wallace in the starting lineup if he's not pass protecting well, and I don't believe they will with some options to go to if he struggles under the lights like he did most of last season.
Remember, Shelton was mostly @ LT last year. New learning curve. Might take a little extra time for the transition to RT. According to Reading Eagle, true Freshman J'Ven Williams is the back-up LT.
 
No mention of Cephas by Yurcich. He mentioned like 4 or 5 guys even the other transfer, McClain, but not him. I thought that was strange especially if he could challenge KLS for the #1 WR role.
CHF a few days ago indicated he is catching up on the schemes (I assume routes & blocking). Cephus was not @ PSU for Spring ball, so must be behind. Don't think it's lack of talent. Might take a few games into the season to make his move into PT.
 
Utah is smash mouth with Wittingham and Rising runs like a RB so they were going to have success. It's not like the Michigan game where they were just running all over us. I hope you don't think we lose that game if Rising didn't get hurt.
Utah was running the ball very effectively against us until Rising got hurt. In fact the game was tied 14-14 until then.

Clifford played the best game of his career vs Utah so I think PSU would have still won but it would have been very close.

QBR ratings in that game:
Rising - 85.1
Barnes - 18.4

QB rushing in that game:
Rising - 56
Barnes - minus 17
 
According to Reading Eagle, true Freshman J'Ven Williams is the back-up LT.
He had great recruiting rankings but not many true freshmen are ready to play right away at this level. It will be interesting to see how he does.
 
Remember, Shelton was mostly @ LT last year. New learning curve. Might take a little extra time for the transition to RT. According to Reading Eagle, true Freshman J'Ven Williams is the back-up LT.
Yep, Williams would be listed on the depth chart as the backup LT. But I believe Franklin has mentioned that he has 3 experienced OT's and it seems that Shelton would be the next OT to play in the event either Wallace or Fashanu would come out of a game. That may not occur against WVU or DE as they may wholesale sub a new 5 man OL if/when those games get out of hand.

Yep, some OT's play better on one side or the other. Still hard to believe Shelton couldn't pass block on the right side better than what we saw from Wallace the last 2 seasons. As someone mentioned above, Effner got lots of PT last season rotating with Wallace, so we may see lots of Shelton at RT even if Wallace is named the "starter".

But going into camp next season with both Olu and Wallace gone we still may see Shelton back at LT and Williams at RT. Who knows. Lots of development for those two as well as the other young OT's will take place over the next year.
 
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