PSU's E-mail to ticket holders regarding options for 2020
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EXACTLY ... a few years ago it was a donation. But the tax codes changed. It is no longer a deductible donation. It is technically a "charge for the right to purchase priority tickets".
bwifan
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It's sad that it is coming to this. To actively work AGAINST your customers is pure insanity.
Agree. There will be no one in the stands in 2020.... so who is freaking taking your seats if you want them in '21???
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+100. I swear to God they are looking for new ways to piss off the alums and fans that have supported this school and team for 40 years. They may have just found it. Well done Sandy, well done.
I will say it for you... this is what we are up against
Not to mention that this is what leadership looks like.
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bwifan
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But donating doesn't obligate one to buying tickets either. It is possible to donate and not even request tickets. I'm no accountant but I'd think the donation isn't deductible only if you actually leverage it in order to get tickets. If there are no tickets, either because you didn't apply for them or because the university isn't providing them for some reason (e.g. COVID), wouldn't the donation become entirely deductible since there's no ticket benefit?
In reviewing the letter we received, we plan on taking option one as we are fortunately in a position to do that. One concern I do have is that they did not state in writing that seat location and parking location will be guaranteed if you take option 1 or 2. It is silent. I want to see in writing that they are guaranteed or avoid any confusion next year.
As for option 3, I find it unfair to those who have supported the athletic department for many years but due to current circumstances they need their funds back but will be punished for it. I take it as the University saying, we are in back financial shape, let us keep you money. Oh, you're in bad financial shape? Screw you, that's you're problem and F* your prior loyalty. Maybe they should have an option to give the University a $100 of your refund to hold your location.
I get this is a tough situation for everyone and I think they got some of it right but option 3 is a total swing and a miss.
As for option 3, I find it unfair to those who have supported the athletic department for many years but due to current circumstances they need their funds back but will be punished for it. I take it as the University saying, we are in back financial shape, let us keep you money. Oh, you're in bad financial shape? Screw you, that's you're problem and F* your prior loyalty. Maybe they should have an option to give the University a $100 of your refund to hold your location.
I get this is a tough situation for everyone and I think they got some of it right but option 3 is a total swing and a miss.
The issue is not a guarantee of the same seats--its putting punitive conditions on a refund u r entitled to
Let me first say I’m not a season ticket holder. This maybe the perfect time to renovate and down size Beaver Stadium. With this plan for season ticket holders, it maybe a long time that Beaver Stadium sees 106000 in the seats.
This is not what leadership looks like....this is what the people paid to hold a leadership position look like....commonly called an oxymoron...I do appreciate the sarcasim....
I try to view this as a program that needs help. The NLC donation for seats has been spent this season on scholarships and overhead. Administrators and coaches have suffered pay cuts.
For most the answer should be roll them over for 2021 and get behind these kids and coaches.
I'd be spending my energy demanding a more reasonable fan number from the Governor. I support this team traveling from Destin or Atlanta for home games. I'm going to miss that this fall but my support for the program remains strong. We beat the sanctions and we'll beat the pains of Covid because WE ARE PENN STATE!
However, I do think Sandy's option # 3 was shortsighted and overlooked the folks who are financially struggling as well due to Covid. To threaten to take specific seats from a 20 or 30 year ticket holder isn't well thought out especially when you already took their 2020 "right to" seat fee...........
Terrible idea. By next year, people will be starving for in person sports. I would predict record demand for tickets next year. You're dreaming if you think it will be a long time to see a full stadium.
Where are they going to get the funding for that right now when already faced with financial challenges and the possibility of no season and loss of 10's of millions of dollars?
You could be right. You could be wrong. I think this is a wait & see. Your logic has sound reasoning. I would not dispute your idea. Logically, it's very possible for people to be "sport starved" as you suggest. Very possible.
But another possibility is people seeing how nice that $$$ is in their bank accounts, and what they can do different with that $$$ (home renovations, other trips, purchases...). And, people just might like the stay at home experience.
There is an old belief that you never let a customer leave because once that customer leaves, there is a good chance they will not come back.
It is 100% certain that Penn State will not get 100% re-newels from season ticket holders from 2020 to 2021. That's just an impossible number. The question then becomes "what is the percentage of season ticket holder renewals from 2020 to '21 and can that percentage be replaced by new season ticket holders"??? For example, if they lose 20% and 80% of season ticket holders re-new for 2021, then can they make up that 20% with new season ticket holders????
Now you are talking! And if the Big10 does not pay, we walk! At a minimum, O$U, Michigan, and Michigan State should OSU is back as they have been convicted of far worse crimes tied directly to their respective Universities!
It amazes me that people still think either her or Onion Dip have a clue. I could literary pluck someone from my loading dock and do just as well!+100. I swear to God they are looking for new ways to piss off the alums and fans that have supported this school and team for 40 years. They may have just found it. Well done Sandy, well done.
Let's be honest - the only football that really matters to America right now is youth and HS Football - because it involves our children. Your kid works hard at becoming the starting QB, you should be able to watch him play. Period.
The rest of it is entertainment (even PSU Football). Entertainment can be eschewed for rounds of golf, or hikes in the mountains or walks on the beach. Very, very easily.
The rest of it is entertainment (even PSU Football). Entertainment can be eschewed for rounds of golf, or hikes in the mountains or walks on the beach. Very, very easily.
Does anyone really think there will be college football this fall? NO WAY... the fear mongering and manipulation has ratcheted itself up to a level where it will be a year after widespread vaccinations before we ever get anywhere close to where we were.
PSU needs to cut overhead - across the board. Use Purdue as an example of how to get it done!
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the wording in Sandy's letter stating no fans in the "general seating areas". I take that to mean there will be fans in the suites this year. Not sure I'd take an invite this year with the small elevator access and crowded hallways on the 3 floors, but hey there is onion dip in at least one suite.
I would start with Sandy and her bevy of assistants. She can carry her sorry ass back to Cal. oh yea they didn't want her either.
Didn’t the governor make the rule which limits the size of gatherings? What choice do they have?+100. I swear to God they are looking for new ways to piss off the alums and fans that have supported this school and team for 40 years. They may have just found it. Well done Sandy, well done.
Looks like NO fans is official...
https://www.collegian.psu.edu/footb...QX46W2ixwRtmKRuFlH-81D8EubWK3dR77c_hvJa8DTEkE
https://www.collegian.psu.edu/footb...QX46W2ixwRtmKRuFlH-81D8EubWK3dR77c_hvJa8DTEkE
Yes he did. But the no fans in the stadium is not why many of us are upset. I think most of us knew that was the direction it was headed and understood it.
I can’t imagine having such a sense of entitlement that I could request a refund for something, then cry like a child if I am inconvenienced by my own decision.
“I requested a refund on my front row seats for The Rolling Stones’ last tour. Aisle seats - would have been awesome. They better have them ready for me next time they’re playing in Philly!”
“I requested a refund on my front row seats for The Rolling Stones’ last tour. Aisle seats - would have been awesome. They better have them ready for me next time they’re playing in Philly!”
It is not punitive because it was never guaranteed. They always let you but it up to them annually. They never stated prior to buying them that the seat location was guaranteed for next year.
The governor also said this earlier today. It was asked in context of HS but not answered that way.
"The guidance is that we ought to avoid any congregate settings, and that means anything that brings people together will get us and we have to do anything we can to defeat the virus. And any time we get together for any reason, that's a problem because that makes it easier for the virus to spread. So the guidance from us and recommendation is that we don't do any sports until January 1," Gov. Wolf said."
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