PSU's E-mail to ticket holders regarding options for 2020
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Maybe but might be a case of psu winning the battle but losing the war. Class action suits usually get media exposure. Will be bad press for psu. This whole thing is just an awful mess. Seat lincense $ should have been refunded. The option should have been if you want to donate to Levi lamb fund or roll seat license to next year.
Perhaps, but at what cost? The absurdity of Option 3 pisses me off even though I have no dog in the fight. Since this email came out I have talked to 3 friends who hold season tickets (a total of 10 seats). All are having a rough go of it during this crisis and all are angry. Two are seriously considering giving up their seats.
If people need the money back so badly, take the refund. If it’s so dire, you shouldn’t be worried about where your seats are next year
People want the licensure fee refunded. It's a cash grab by the university.
I don’t think Penn State will have issues getting new season tix holders to take spaces of those that leave because they are pissed off.
I agree, option 3 is f d up for sure. That being said with potential loss of $100M don’t think ICA is necessarily being greedy. ICA is committed to honoring all scholarships this season. If Penn State losses a class action lawsuit no doubt a bunch of sports will have to be cut, not that is a bad thing.
No matter the options provided by ICA, in at least some cases, some donors have shown it is all about them and they really don’t give a rats ass about student athletes if they can’t attend football.
It is not a seat license. You are allowed to sell a PSL to somebody, if you no longer want to buy the tickets. You can't do that with Penn State football tickets. Penn State has never worded it as a seat license. I gave a NLC Contribution for several years for the opportunity to apply for season tickets and get put on a waiting list. So I paid a seat license for what seat for those 2 or 3 years after I graduated from Penn State. I only got my tickets as a result of the south upper deck being built.
I agree with cjrugger. If you take the refund because you really need the money, you shouldn't be worried about where your seats are next season. If situation is bad now, it will probably be bad when you have to donate and pay for the tickets in 2021 and the NLC Contribution levels are going up and the ticket prices are going up. If PSUalum2007 is right that the seat license fee rollover is in the works, I can just imagine what the new contribution levels will be in 2021 for those that need to take the refund. I was figuring 100 will be 200, 200 --> 400, 2000 --> 4000. They might make it 3 times your current donation, if they rollover over your CONTRIBUTION. These contribution levels will not revert back to pre 2021 levels. If you get your seat license back or rolled over thinking you won, you will eventually lose in the end. You will probably pay more in the long run or must give up your tickets because you can't afford it anymore.
The economic effects of COVID 19 will extend into next season and beyond. I don't think replacing lost ticket holders will be as easy as you do.
As for the donors showing it's all about them, of course it is. Football tickets are a luxury. I held season tickets for 40 years and bought into all the Dear Old State bullsh*t. I was loyal to a fault. Then I finally came to realize my loyalty was a one way street. To Penn State I was a customer and nothing more. Option 3 tells me nothing has changed.
Maybe not, but Option 3 reminds us that while many are loyal to Dear Old State, that loyalty is not returned. Option 3 was poorly thought out. The AD, and her minions, should admit their mistake and correct it. I suspect they will not.
if they get a refund they do realize they will be giving the money back to PSU in 6 months right?
6 months? They worry about the next 6 days. The next 6 weeks. The whole point is that they are hurting now. They are loyal Penn State fans. All have held their seats for more than 15 years. They should be able to get a refund without fear they will lose those seats.
not so fast my friend. The same exact thing was said when STEP was rolled out. It took years for some seats to be filled and outside of a few big games, they are still empty.
You can’t have it both ways. If they’re 6 days away from bankruptcy, they shouldn’t be buying tickets next year anyway
I didn't say they were 6 days away from bankruptcy. I said they were hurting now. That may change in 6 months. If it does, they should be able to renew their tickets and keep the seats they have built by loyally donating over more than 15 years. This is a simple matter of fairness, but Penn State's athletic department doesn't care about loyalty or fairness. That is my final word on this subject. Those who think Option 3 is appropriate can continue their efforts to defend the indefensible if they wish.
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I agree Option 3 is flawed. It is obviously intended to incentivize the other two options and reward those that take one of those (as 2021 seat selection would presumably open seats from those that take Option 3 to those that take the other two options). I think it is unfair. Option 1 is slightly flawed as well as others have pointed out; rather the University should have put in place a per-ticket NLC point value. This could be somewhat but not totally rectified by a bonus on donations this year. Having said that, I am fine with the concept of the options in general. Tough situation all around.
You: 6 months? They worry about the next 6 days
If you’re worried about the next 6 days, it’s insane to worry about where your seats will be next year.
Don't believe that reasons behind someone requesting a refund are important. It's quite simple: someone paid for a product that can't be delivered. They shouldn't be penalized for that.
Do you mean the donation for stadium seating,
or is there a special seat license for club seating.?
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Since the 2020 season will be officially cancelled and not played without fans. I expect a full seat license refund or the opportunity to roll it to 2021. I never received the product that I originally paid for.
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I was wondering if that would change things up for the "options".
and what about BWI or 247 if there is another year without PSU sports?
They sent an email a few months ago (October) that was the gift receipt.
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PSU said to file it as a donation to the Human Fund. Its tax deductible.
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