Re: aTm's and U-dub's ranking, the Selection Committee Chairman did say....

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

....that winning a Conference via a Conference Championship Game would be considered, but could not be considered until it actually occurs (said this while discussing aTm being ranked higher than U-dub with the clear insinuation being aTm probably could not accomplish this while U-dub could). IOW, reading between the lines, it sounded like he was saying that U-dub with a Pac12 Championship via their CCG would likely be enough to vault U-dub over aTm even if they both won out the remainder of their schedule. This has to be the case, otherwise they should just do away with "4-Team Invitational" now - if you are undefeated and win a P5 Conference Championship via CCG and get passed over by another team that didn't even participate in their CCG, this system has zero credibility.

 

[21Guns]

....that winning a Conference via a Conference Championship Game would be considered, but could not be considered until it actually occurs (said this while discussing aTm being ranked higher than U-dub with the clear insinuation was that aTm probably could not accomplish this while U-dub could). IOW, reading between the lines, it sounded like he was saying that U-dub with a Pac12 Championship via their CCG would likely be enough to vault U-dub over aTm even if they both won out the remainder of their schedule. This has to be the case, otherwise they should just do away with "4-Team Invitational" now - if you are undefeated and win a P5 Conference Championship via CCG and get passed over by another team that didn't even participate in their CCG, this system has zero credibility.

The system has zero credibility as it is.

Herbstreit shilled for Ohio State for 6 straight games in 2014 and they magically vaulted both TCU and Baylor, without either team losing a game.

 

[PSU_Nut]

NAIA 16 teams make the playoffs.
Division III 32 teams make the playoffs
Division II 28 teams make the playoffs
FCS 24 teams make the playoffs.
Why in the world do only four teams make the playoffs in FBS football? It is the dumbest system all college football.

 

[21Guns]

Division III 32 teams make the playoffs
Division II 28 teams make the playoffs
FCS 24 teams make the playoffs.
Why in the world do only four teams make the playoffs in FBS football?

Good ole boy network is still in charge.

 

[rjg82]

The system has zero credibility as it is.

Herbstreit shilled for Ohio State for 6 straight games in 2014 and they magically vaulted both TCU and Baylor, without either team losing a game.

^^^ I have to agree with you on this one guns

 

[21Guns]

^^^ I have to agree with you on this one guns

You don't need to feel guilty: This board has thousands of contributors, and as many silent posters who don't post. There are about 9 or 10 of them who are literally obsessed with my posts, who come on here and attempt to turn every one of my posts into ad hominem arguments. I also have a good number of friends on these boards who I know personally, who don't post either. I bleed blue and white and am an historian also for the team in my spare time. I post on other subjects too. You don't need to follow them, they simply attack one or two(Franklin restores, Peetz PB, also) posters consistently because they are disturbed.

 

[GoPSU2012]

I have to agree with guns also. The entire system makes no sense. The only reason it is still in place is because of the amount of influence and $$ the bowls still have vested in it. There's no reason we should not have an 8 team playoff or even a 16 team playoff to decide a champion. The media has too much influence on who gets in, especially for those 3rd and 4th spots sometimes.

 

[rjg82]

You don't need to feel guilty: This board has thousands of contributors, and as many silent posters who don't post. There are about 9 or 10 of them who are literally obsessed with my posts, who come on here and attempt to turn every one of my posts into ad hominem arguments. I also have a good number of friends on these boards who I know personally, who don't post either. I bleed blue and white and am an historian also for the team in my spare time. I post on other subjects too. You don't need to follow them, they simply attack one or two(Franklin restores, Peetz PB, also) posters consistently because they are disturbed.

Geez...shut up already. I agreed with you.

 

[demlion]

You don't need to feel guilty: This board has thousands of contributors, and as many silent posters who don't post. There are about 9 or 10 of them who are literally obsessed with my posts, who come on here and attempt to turn every one of my posts into ad hominem arguments. I also have a good number of friends on these boards who I know personally, who don't post either. I bleed blue and white and am an historian also for the team in my spare time. I post on other subjects too. You don't need to follow them, they simply attack one or two(Franklin restores, Peetz PB, also) posters consistently because they are disturbed.

There is also at least one more group you don't mention: there are a lot of people who don't post much here who have seen you post things again and again which are harshly critical without reasoned arguments based on facts, and which (therefore) turn out to be WILDLY innaccurate, to the point of hilarity when it is pointed out later.

You left that subcategory out of your analysis. That does not mean we are not here.

 

[Andy84]

The system has zero credibility as it is.

Herbstreit shilled for Ohio State for 6 straight games in 2014 and they magically vaulted both TCU and Baylor, without either team losing a game.

OSU jumped TCU and Baylor because they had one more victory via their CCG, an important criteria already acknowledged by the committee. Putting aside the dislike for OSU, that decision was fair. Who knows what would have happened if the Big 12 teams had played one more game. In the end 12-1 overrides 11-1.

 

[sluggo72]

NAIA 16 teams make the playoffs.
Division III 32 teams make the playoffs
Division II 28 teams make the playoffs
FCS 24 teams make the playoffs.
Why in the world do only four teams make the playoffs in FBS football? It is the dumbest system all college football.

yes but they don't have to worry about finals, academics etc etc at that level like they do at D1.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

yes but they don't have to worry about finals, academics etc etc at that level like they do at D1.

Assume this TIC otherwise ??????

 

[sluggo72]

Assume this TIC otherwise ??????

yes

 

[PSUFBFAN]

I have to agree with guns also. The entire system makes no sense. The only reason it is still in place is because of the amount of influence and $$ the bowls still have vested in it. There's no reason we should not have an 8 team playoff or even a 16 team playoff to decide a champion. The media has too much influence on who gets in, especially for those 3rd and 4th spots sometimes.

So, you want football to go down the road of NCAA basketball which has killed a lot of the interest in its regular season? Do you want to get to the point in football where you can lose your conference championship game and still be part of a playoff system with several 2 or even 3 loss teams? Do you want to look like the NFL where some teams at .500 make it to the playoff?

College football has the greatest regular season of any sport - professional or college. Every game does mean something and more often than not, the last two or three weeks of regular season games are defacto playoff games. The conference championship games are the equivalent of basketball's sweet 16 or elite 8 - win or go home.

I don't ever want to see college football expand to the point where some 3 or 4 loss divisional champion makes it to the playoff because they get a lucky break in a conference championship game and beat a undefeated team, thus guaranteeing their spot in a 8 or 16 team playoff because they were the conference champion.

Keep it at 4 and let there be suspense as to which conference champion might get left out!

 

[getmyjive11]

NAIA 16 teams make the playoffs.
Division III 32 teams make the playoffs
Division II 28 teams make the playoffs
FCS 24 teams make the playoffs.
Why in the world do only four teams make the playoffs in FBS football? It is the dumbest system all college football.

Agreed. They want to protect the bowl games, and that is fine. You can still have an 8 team playoff integrated into the bowl system (Rose, Sugar, Fiesta and Orange could be the first round). 5 automatic qualifiers from the P5 champions, one automatic qualifier for the highest ranked G5 and Independents and two at large bids. The G5/Ind and two at large bids would be determined by the rankings of the college playoff committee. If the Big XII implodes, the at large bids grows to three. This really is not difficult.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

So, you want football to go down the road of NCAA basketball which has killed a lot of the interest in its regular season? Do you want to get to the point in football where you can lose your conference championship game and still be part of a playoff system with several 2 or even 3 loss teams? Do you want to look like the NFL where some teams at .500 make it to the playoff?

College football has the greatest regular season of any sport - professional or college. Every game does mean something and more often than not, the last two or three weeks of regular season games are defacto playoff games. The conference championship games are the equivalent of basketball's sweet 16 or elite 8 - win or go home.

I don't ever want to see college football expand to the point where some 3 or 4 loss divisional champion makes it to the playoff because they get a lucky break in a conference championship game and beat a undefeated team, thus guaranteeing their spot in a 8 or 16 team playoff because they were the conference champion.

Keep it at 4 and let there be suspense as to which conference champion might get left out!

Absurd as 4 quite clearly is not enough when a 7-1 P5 team is in the Top 4 and an 8-0 P5 team is not. For that matter, why should a 1-loss non-conference champion SEC team (a team that won't even make the SEC CCG) be invited, but other 1-loss (and potentially undefeated teams) are not invited??? I thought if you lose in the regular season, you go home and "every game means something" according to your absurdly counter-factual bull$hit??? Your notion that this system has featured 4 Undefeated Conference Champions every year is beyond laughable bull$hit and straight to laughable fantasy rhetoric in support of a bull$hit subjective "popularity contest" that is no more a true "playoff" than there really is a "man in the moon".

 

[Westcoast24]

Absurd as 4 quite clearly is not enough when a 7-1 P5 team is in the Top 4 and an 8-0 P5 team is not. For that matter, why should a 1-loss non-conference champion SEC team (a team that won't even make the SEC CCG) be invited, but other 1-loss (and potentially undefeated teams) are not invited??? I thought if you lose in the regular season, you go home and "every game means something" according to your absurdly counter-factual bull$hit??? Your notion that this system has featured 4 Undefeated Conference Champions every year is beyond laughable bull$hit and straight to laughable fantasy rhetoric in support of a bull$hit subjective "popularity contest" that is no more a true "playoff" than there really is a "man in the moon".

lol. Very good breakdown actually.

 

[PSU_Nut]

So, you want football to go down the road of NCAA basketball which has killed a lot of the interest in its regular season? Do you want to get to the point in football where you can lose your conference championship game and still be part of a playoff system with several 2 or even 3 loss teams? Do you want to look like the NFL where some teams at .500 make it to the playoff?

College football has the greatest regular season of any sport - professional or college. Every game does mean something and more often than not, the last two or three weeks of regular season games are defacto playoff games. The conference championship games are the equivalent of basketball's sweet 16 or elite 8 - win or go home.

I don't ever want to see college football expand to the point where some 3 or 4 loss divisional champion makes it to the playoff because they get a lucky break in a conference championship game and beat a undefeated team, thus guaranteeing their spot in a 8 or 16 team playoff because they were the conference champion.

Keep it at 4 and let there be suspense as to which conference champion might get left out!

Personally I would rather watch the suspense of four top 4 teams deciding on the field who better than the suspense of a comittee deciding who better. You rather have the excitement of talking heads choosing teams?

The fact that you compare it to the NFL where 12 teams out of 32 compared to 8 out of 126 teams (65 if you just count power 5) is ridiculous. There will still be meaning in the regular season and a team like Penn State would still have something to play for. Conference championship could still have meaning because it would be important to seeding and home field in the first round.

The best proposal I have seen would be 5 conference autobids (if the get in top 16) and then 3 at large. The host of the first round of games is the higher ranked conference champion or too 4 independent. Using last year final poll here how it would have worked out:

1. Clemson ACC Champ
2. Alabama Sec Champ
3. Michigan St B1G Champ
4. Oklahoma Big 12 Champ
5. Iowa
6. Stanford PAC Champ
7. Ohio State
8. Notre Dame

Notre Dame at Clemson
Ohio State at Alabama
Stanford at Michigan state
Iowa at Oklahoma

You can't tell me that Ohio State would not rather be hosting Stanford then having to travel to Alabama. With only 8 teams the regular season still has a major impact.

 

[PSUFBFAN]

Absurd as 4 quite clearly is not enough when a 7-1 P5 team is in the Top 4 and an 8-0 P5 team is not. For that matter, why should a 1-loss non-conference champion SEC team (a team that won't even make the SEC CCG) be invited, but other 1-loss (and potentially undefeated teams) are not invited??? I thought if you lose in the regular season, you go home and "every game means something" according to your absurdly counter-factual bull$hit??? Your notion that this system has featured 4 Undefeated Conference Champions every year is beyond laughable bull$hit and straight to laughable fantasy rhetoric in support of a bull$hit subjective "popularity contest" that is no more a true "playoff" than there really is a "man in the moon".

Off your medications again this morning? Please show me where I said anything about "4 undefeated conference champions every year". My post was simply to state that I don't want the importance of the regular season watered down by creating a system where a number of teams with multiple losses can get into the playoff.

Now, read this next part VERY carefully ...

You can go ahead and foam at the mouth and drool all over the keyboard with another of your patented long winded, insulting, name calling responses. Just know that every minute that you spend thinking about and typing your response will be to no avail because I won't see it as you are going on ignore at this moment.

See everybody, I did get the last word in! Yea for me!

 

[Woodpecker]

lol. Very good breakdown actually.

Bush-bot!

 

[N&B4PSU]

I'd prefer #3-6 have playoff to get final 2 spots in the Big 4. I'm not interested in guaranteeing anything to anyone, but I'm comfortable that if you involve the top 6 teams you've reached deep enough into the talent pool. Loudest braying would come from the team that gets #3... but they'd have a home game against 6. I'd rather the play-in games be on a thursday with the next round on a saturday to give the teams that played a little more rest (likely not practical)..

What I find most annoying is this over-ranking of SEC teams. It ensures that regardless of the outcome, the loser doesn't fall far and the winner gets bonus points for beating a nobody. Guess they just need to get their asses kicked again in the bowls.

 

[Woodpecker]

The biggest argument that I've heard relates for the level of travel that would be required (and associated expenses for the fans). I think (I'm sure that someone will correct me if I'm wrong) that the other divisions at least attempt to keep their early rounds somewhat regional (although I recall Lehigh having to go to Western Illinois and Northern Iowa in first round games). I don't think that the FBS will have that luxury and will need to keep match-ups ranking-based.

 

[sluggo72]

The biggest argument that I've heard relates for the level of travel that would be required (and associated expenses for the fans). I think (I'm sure that someone will correct me if I'm wrong) that the other divisions at least attempt to keep their early rounds somewhat regional (although I recall Lehigh having to go to Western Illinois and Northern Iowa in first round games). I don't think that the FBS will have that luxury and will need to keep match-ups ranking-based.

fans? really? who cares about them!

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Off your medications again this morning? Please show me where I said anything about "4 undefeated conference champions every year". My post was simply to state that I don't want the importance of the regular season watered down by creating a system where a number of teams with multiple losses can get into the playoff.

Now, read this next part VERY carefully ...

You can go ahead and foam at the mouth and drool all over the keyboard with another of your patented long winded, insulting, name calling responses. Just know that every minute that you spend thinking about and typing your response will be to no avail because I won't see it as you are going on ignore at this moment.

See everybody, I did get the last word in! Yea for me!

Laughable as your first post where you absolutely said lose during the regular season or in your conference championship game "and go home" - not quite what happened in regards to aTm's loss, did it now? You're in favor of giving them a second-bite at the apple & Alabama when their are undefeated P5 teams that have had no shot......so much for "the meaning of the regular season" and regular season losses, LMFAO! Now take your illogical drivel "and go home".

 

[Royal_Coaster]

The biggest argument that I've heard relates for the level of travel that would be required (and associated expenses for the fans). I think (I'm sure that someone will correct me if I'm wrong) that the other divisions at least attempt to keep their early rounds somewhat regional (although I recall Lehigh having to go to Western Illinois and Northern Iowa in first round games). I don't think that the FBS will have that luxury and will need to keep match-ups ranking-based.

The difference there is that Division 2 and 3 teams play mostly a local or limited regional schedule, unlike FBS teams who already have the option of playing national opponents, or major inter-conference matchups.

I wouldn't have a problem with an 8-team tournament played over 3 weekends in late December into early January. I don't think it's too much. Let's face it, the networks crap their pants if they manage to get a 1-8 or 2-7 matchup in October or November. So what's the difference in a loser go home playoff situation? Besides, wouldn't you rather watch an Alabama/Wisconsin game in late December than the #8 teams from two conferences with 6-6 records battle it out in the Asparagus Bowl?