RIVALRY WEEK: Penn St went from PITT to Michigan State to Rutgers, who's next?!?
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They should just push the B1G to commit to Maryland-PSU each & every year for the last game.
I don't think UMD will ever be a national powerhouse, so they would never bring us that "Michigan-Ohio State" or "Auburn-Alabama" type of game. And we are not going to get pitt back at all, let alone the last game every year (B1G will not allow it), so no sense waxing nostalgic about a season ending game with pitt.
But if I had to lay money down on who is the more likely school to be a 6-8 win per year program, a "pretty good" team, a "competitive team".... between Rutgers & Maryland, I would think Maryland is more likely to rise up and be a pretty good team. They are both border States to PA, so they both bring us a natural "border rivalry". And again, I agree that PSU-Maryland is not exactly Michigan-Ohio State, but most years Maryland is "decent" and it would at least be a pretty decent game.
I don't think UMD will ever be a national powerhouse, so they would never bring us that "Michigan-Ohio State" or "Auburn-Alabama" type of game. And we are not going to get pitt back at all, let alone the last game every year (B1G will not allow it), so no sense waxing nostalgic about a season ending game with pitt.
But if I had to lay money down on who is the more likely school to be a 6-8 win per year program, a "pretty good" team, a "competitive team".... between Rutgers & Maryland, I would think Maryland is more likely to rise up and be a pretty good team. They are both border States to PA, so they both bring us a natural "border rivalry". And again, I agree that PSU-Maryland is not exactly Michigan-Ohio State, but most years Maryland is "decent" and it would at least be a pretty decent game.
Actually, we eventually return to Mich. State as the season finale for a couple of seasons....
2023: Nov. 18 Rutgers at PSU (last home game)
Nov. 25 PSU at Maryland (make it a home game!; Sat. after Thanksgiving)
2024: Nov. 23 PSU at Indiana
Nov. 30 Mich. State at PSU (Sat. after Thanksgiving, same calendar as 2019)
2025: Nov. 22 Michigan at PSU (last home game)
Nov. 29 PSU at Mich. State (Sat. after Thanksgiving)
This taken from the pinned post above.
2023: Nov. 18 Rutgers at PSU (last home game)
Nov. 25 PSU at Maryland (make it a home game!; Sat. after Thanksgiving)
2024: Nov. 23 PSU at Indiana
Nov. 30 Mich. State at PSU (Sat. after Thanksgiving, same calendar as 2019)
2025: Nov. 22 Michigan at PSU (last home game)
Nov. 29 PSU at Mich. State (Sat. after Thanksgiving)
This taken from the pinned post above.
LOL, the B1G has done everything it could to try and make a rivalry game for us. Oddly enough the one they did first with MSU is probably the best.
It's a calendar date in search of a rivalry.
Indiana has their Purdue. Why can't we have nice things like they do, instead of the thrift store stuff?
Note to B1G. In order for a "rivalry" game become a "rivalry" it helps to keep the same team and play it at the same time every year. Rotating between the MD, RU, MSU triumvirate is not going to work. Idiots.
Crazy as it sounds they, B1G, probably got it right when it was MSU.
So that whole broken clock thing is true.
I'd agree that the idea was based in good intentions, Land Grant schools and all, some history of playing each other in the old days.... but it never caught on with any fans.
The above suggestion that Maryland is a more attractive rivalry (potentially) makes more sense from a geographic and recruiting base, and there is an even deeper past history pre-B1G to build on. Also, travel considerations for fans helps to some degree.
I'd agree that the idea was based in good intentions, Land Grant schools and all, some history of playing each other in the old days.... but it never caught on with any fans.
The above suggestion that Maryland is a more attractive rivalry (potentially) makes more sense from a geographic and recruiting base, and there is an even deeper past history pre-B1G to build on. Also, travel considerations for fans helps to some degree.[/QUOTE]
Good point. And I'd like it for that reason alone.
I hate that. Since the final game is Thanksgiving weekend, playing Rutgers or Maryland would be better than playing Michigan State simply because most visiting fans can make a day trip as opposed to planning travel arrangements over a holiday weekend. Since MSU can't play Michigan in the final regular season game, they're stuck in a rotation with the three eastern teams. I'd love to see conference expansion include one eastern team so there will easy fairly close final games for all them. Michigan State will then be someone else's problem.
Pitt was our rival because it was an IN-STATE school that we played since the beginning of time!!!
There is no IN-STATE school in the B10!
Therefore, to me, it looks like it's either Ohio State and/or Michigan who will always be MY BIG GAME OF THE YEAR!
The best part of that is, as we grow stronger by the year, we "upset the apple cart" every time we knock off tOSU or UM. That diminishes THE GAME!!! LOL!
There is no IN-STATE school in the B10!
Therefore, to me, it looks like it's either Ohio State and/or Michigan who will always be MY BIG GAME OF THE YEAR!
The best part of that is, as we grow stronger by the year, we "upset the apple cart" every time we knock off tOSU or UM. That diminishes THE GAME!!! LOL!
Give us Maryland, and let Rutgres and Mich. State have at it to close out each season. The clash of scarlet and green will get everyone in the Christmas mood.
Of course, Rutgres will screw it up by wearing an alternate uniform that is all black or all gray or some such seasonal mood buster.
I agree. And IMO a mistake made by the B1G was kind of "forcing" the MSU-PSU game to become a rivalry. For example, creating the bogus "Land Grant Trophy". Basically what the B1G did was tell Penn State and Michigan State that we were going to be "rivals". In life, that usually does not work. Tell 2 kids they are supposed to be friends, tell a guy and a girl that they are supposed to like each other .... When Penn State entered the B1G they should have simply schedule PSU-MSU the last game of each year for each school and left it fester on it's own. Eventually, some of the games would have had meaning, eventually some of the outcomes would cost the loser a bowl game spot..... and eventually a rivalry would have festered.
Agree. Not only was pitt our rival because it was an in-State school, but from about 1975-1982 both schools were top 10 teams and it seemed like every game from 1975-82 had some sort of national implication. But as the 80's went on and we had annual games vs. Notre dame and Bama, those games took over as bigger games than pitt. I attended Penn State from 1983-88, and IMO the games each year vs. Notre Dame & Alabama were way bigger and way more important than the pitt game. Same sort of thing is happening now. The B1G can schedule rutgers or maryland or even MSU as the last game and "tell" us that it is a rivalry game. But as we grow stronger and we restore ourselves to a national powerhouse, those games vs, Michigan and Ohio State will be the big games each year, just like it was ND and Bama back in the 80s.
Couldn't be a real rivalry when MSU cared much more about UM and likely some other traditional B1G opponents. Bottom line, rivalries can't be forced, but they can be killed.
Every rivalry PSU could count as an independent was killed by joining a conference outside it's typical geography.
If the dipsh*ts in the east had listened to Joe and formed the eastern conference, most of those rivalries would have been preserved and, I suspect, a good number of those teams could have escaped decline and irrelevance.
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If they're willing to give us a "rivalry" game, the obvious choice is Nebraska. Yes, they're in the West but if the SEC can handle permanent pairings across divisions, so can the B1G. Sure, they're requiring more conference games but that's stupid anyway.
The rewards for playing Pitt are far greater for them than for us. I am against ever playing them again unless it was in a bowl game.
I don’t think it was the Big that forced it, rather MSU’s coach George Perles. He sold I as the two newest members of the conference. PSU went along with it as Paterno was friends with George and what the heck.
Look at schools like Nebraska (OU) and TAM (Texas) and what joining a different conference does to your rivalry game. It sucks, but it is the way of modern CFB.
You are right about Pitt, a huge game in the late 70s early 80s but when Sherrill left to coach A&M, Pitt faded away. Maybe in part do to Big East basketball being the big thing. Pitt was as horrible as Rutgers in the early 70s.
In the 50s and 60s Syracuse was a rival. Before that it might have been Penn as much as it was Pitt. Some credit the growth of PSU football as a national brand to when the Ivy League de emphasized football.
How true. I used to love the Nebraska-Oklahoma game each year this weekend. Nebraska kind of got lucky because the B1G had Iowa sitting there as a natural substitute for Oklahoma. Iowa-Nebraska was a no-brainer easy move. I'm sure to many 'old school' Nebraska people, nothing will ever replace their game with Oklahoma, but they got pretty lucky falling into a year-ending game with Iowa.
Nothing get me more excited than winning a trophy that looks as if a company president asked his scrap-booking secretary to decorate the board room.
Nothing get me more excited than winning a trophy that looks as if a company president asked his scrap-booking secretary to decorate the board room.
I always thought an awesome "twist" to the PSU-MSU game for the "Land Grant Trophy" would have been to make the LOSING team take the trophy. Like a punishment. How freaking unique & cool would that be. All these others games have a trophy that the WINNING team gets to keep and proudly display in their trophy case for 365 .......... PSU & MSU could do something totally unique in sports and make the LOSING team display in full view the Land Grant Trophy for 365 days for LOSING the game. That would be such a freaking cool & unique tradition.
I like that idea but the losing team would likely just leave it on the field like UCF did when they BEAT UConn to win the lame and short lived Civil Conflict.
It is not going to be Ohio State, you will have to beat them once and a while for that.
haha remember watching Minnesota players running across the field after a win against Wisconsin to get Paul Bunyan's axe? Now imagine Penn State beating Michigan State and Micah Parsons and Lamont Wade grab the land grant trophy and sprint over to force it on the Michigan State team
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